What has Dennis actually accomplished in his 13 years

[CTLawGuy]

in congress?

Thanks!

[tekisui]

1. More than you can even realize.

At times he has stood alone in maintaining the true liberal position. Because of him and a few like him, the balance hasn't shifted even more to the right.

Thank goodness for Dennis Kucinich.

[CTLawGuy]

2. yeah

that's something I can put in my bank account :eyes:

[tekisui]

4. It may be meaningless to you, but this liberal appreciates the hell

out of it.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

111. Enough to pay my medical bills?

Do you appreaciate it THAT MUCH?

[RaleighNCDUer]

31. And of course that is what public service is all about -

private gain.

:eyes:

[Name removed]

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[Moochy]

109. Wrong as always. Desperately grasping with the racism claim....

Where did Rahm work in the private sector?

[Moochy]

117. self-delete

thanks mods.

[Dinger]

3. + 1

:patriot:

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

98. No, I can realize "nothing" (nt)

[WonderGrunion]

132. He's not successfully shifted anything to the left either.

If the left had a more effective spokesperson, maybe we'd actually have a truly progressive healthcare bill.

Dennis is not an effective spokesman for liberal causes.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

139. No, he's not.

[FrenchieCat]

5. Barbara Lee was the only one who voted against Afghanistan.....

so I don't know where Kucinich was on that. :shrug:

[Pirate Smile]

6. Bupkis?

edit to add - He strongly prefers a Glorious Defeat! to a Partial Victory!

It makes some people feel good about themselves but accomplishes little to nothing for the people actually needing assistance from the government and politicians. But just wait - they'll be another stand to make and another loss to enjoy!

[tallahasseedem]

8. Bingo!

:)

[mattvermont]

7. what is your

motivation to ask?

[Moochy]

113. Party Loyalty Flack

[SoxFan]

9. ...

:popcorn:

[azmouse]

10. He got less than 2% of the vote when he ran for President.

[tekisui]

14. And, moved the debate to the left during each of those runs.

He also brought liberals to the party that would not have been there. He holds the left plank. Many came to the Democratic Party because of him and supported Obama in the end. You ridicule him out of your own ignorance.

[azmouse]

18. Take off your blinders and see his grandstanding for what it is.

[karynnj]

21. No, he didn't

I can not think of one thing In John Kerry's platform that was changed to be more like Kucinich's or one thing in Obama's platform that was. There were very few people in either year who preferred Kucinich to the candidate. Kerry actually had a record on women's rights and the environment that was more liberal than Kucinich's.

[politicasista]

23. Yet he and Obama get called DLC corporatists

more than most lazy Dems by his fans and bitter "liberals/progressives." Sounds like peeps only see what they want to see, hear what they want to hear.

[tekisui]

36. He did.

More than you even know. He was the authentic anti-war candidate. He was the authentic Health Care candidate. He was the authentic liberal. The others moved left just enough to not look like asshole-idiot-conservatives next to him.

[karynnj]

50. As I said - give me one thing where either Kerry or Obama moved

their position from the primaries closer to Kucinich's in the general election.

I will agree that Kucinich was the anti-war candidate, if by that you mean the candidate who advocated leaving immediately - which Dean, Kerry, Clinton, Obama, Edwards etc did not in either 2004 or 2008. But, neither Kerry or Obama moved to that position. On healthcare, both Kerry and Obama had plans that were designed to be able to have a reasonable chance of passing. Kerry and Obama both have said at different points that single payer is a good idea - but it is not passable.

As I said, in Kerry's case his lifetime record on the environment and women's rights was more liberal than Kucinich's

[politicasista]

94. Good question n/t

[suzie]

105. No, Bob Graham was the authentic anti-war candidate. He actually did something to

try and stop the war.

But, Kucinich was the only authentic anti-woman candidate.

[Number23]

90. "Many came to the Democratic Party because of him and supported Obama in the end."

How, why, where... ((let me compose myself))

How in the world did you come up with this scenario??

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

99. I moved the debate further to the left than Kucinich did. (nt)

[WonderGrunion]

133. So it's Kucinich's fault that Obama was able to disappoint you so much?

Thanks for clarifying that.

[OnyxCollie]

96. He did better than Chris Dodd.

[Bobbie Jo]

11. Is that Jeopardy music I hear in the background?

I'll take Grandstanders for $1000, Alex.

[Cronus Protagonist]

12. What does this have to do with the presidency?

/

[tekisui]

15. Kucinich is one of the favorite distractions of the Obama

right-and-wrongers. They love to have someone to blame or denigrate.

[azmouse]

20. StD followers hide behind him to denegrate Obama.

[tekisui]

22. Not really. I don't need him to criticize mistakes by Obama.

[azmouse]

25. And I can dislike the grandstanding little gnome

while respecting what our wonderful President Obama does each day while his fellow Democrats stab him in the back and refuse to support him.

[tekisui]

27. Dennis really gets under your skin, huh?

:rofl:

He is irrelevant or he is a liberal thorn in Obama's side. He can't be both. Your hatred of him tells me the answer. He makes Obama look bad to the liberals, because Obama ain't no liberal.

Obama presented his argument to the liberals as a need for THEM to support a strong Presidency over a strong bill. Notice Obama didn't invite the conservadems to tell them the need to support a strong liberal bill.

You hate Kucinich because he is a liberal and Obama is not.

[karynnj]

55. There are major things that needed to be done - and the President has a

responsibility to do as much as he can to do them. Kucinich as a lone Congressman can take his lone stands because he does not have to actually accomplish anything. He has the luxury of supporting just what he wants - even if they have less than a snowball's chance in hell of passing.

[tekisui]

58. ANd the fact that you (and others) care and are paying attention to him proves he

has some impact. :rofl:

[karynnj]

64. I am not paying attention to him - but to the thread here attacking

others who are trying to make a serious difference.

[azmouse]

110. He who laughs last, laughs best.

Obama IS President. StD never will be.

HCR WILL pass... and StD will not even be a footnote to history.

I am laughing harder at you and your fellow StD fans than you could ever laugh at me.

[HughMoran]

42. Romulans have very big egos

:rofl:

[depakid]

13. At least during the 10 of them that were under Republicans- he didn't vote for their policies

Like so many of his stand for nothing, excuse-making colleagues did.

[tekisui]

17. I remember him reading the Patriot Act and spelling out

each of the amendments it violated. That was a shitload more than most of the Democratic 'leaders' have ever done.

[tranche]

84. Is that including his anti-abortion voting record?

[suzie]

107. Being anti-abortion only counts when it's someone like Stupak, not Kucinch.

[denimgirly]

16. If anything it shows Progressive Ideas are NOT accepted by the Democratic Party

His not being able to accomplish liberal ideas is a clear indication that democrats are compromised and although they claim to be for the people and the peoples progressive ideals they do not want them to interfere with their lobbyist taking fortunes.

Dennis is a true progressive that does not compromise. He makes it clear that it is the other democrats that are not democrats.

[HughMoran]

34. Either that or it's because he's an egomaniac grandstanding attention whore who is hated in Congress

Sometimes when you think everybody is against you, they really are.

If you need over 200 people to agree with you in order to pass a bill, you serve no purpose at all if you are so uncompromising that everybody hates your guts.

[Robeson]

19. So I'm on a "progressive" site that bashes Liberals...

...you win. I get it, I don't belong here.

[Bobbie Jo]

26. ...and a Democratic site that bashes Democrats

"Democratic Underground"

Go figure. Some of us have had this feeling for quite some time.

Nobody wins. That is, except the GOP.

Yay!

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

101. Where is this when the threads bash Rahm Emanuel?

Hmm?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

100. Don't let the door hit ya. (nt)

[Cha]

24. He's certainly no Al Franken who has only been in office

for a few months.

<snip>

"MAKE US DO THIS"

"This week President Obama asked Congress to stand strong and finish the job of fixing our busted health insurance system. I couldn’t agree more, and now we’ve got a plan to get this done.

I’m calling this strategy “Pledge & Pass,” and it’s a simple, two-step plan for passing meaningful health insurance reform. I believe it’s our job as public servants to actually serve the public, and ending the suffering of millions of Americans under our current system is exactly what our constituents expect and deserve.

Here’s the plan.

Step 1. United States Senators pledge to fix elements of the bill that are not acceptable to many House members, and the House pass the Senate bill as is.

Step 2. We in the Senate fulfill our pledge to the House, fix the elements that need fixing, and pass this critical legislation through a filibuster-proof budget process known as reconciliation.

As I’ve said for years, letting perfect reform be the enemy of a good bill would be a tragic outcome for our constituents. Make no mistake about it; people are hurting as a result of decades of dithering on this issue, and it’s past time we deliver real change.

Every day, middle class families go bankrupt and lose their homes.."

<more>
http://blog.alfranken.com/2010/03/05/make-us-do-this/

Senator Al Franken is Someone who actually cares about the people instead of how high he can elevate himself on his grandstand.

[jenmito]

29. A poster "informed" me a couple days ago that Franken is NOT a liberal-but a corporatist.

:rofl:

[Cha]

35. Lot of ignorance around here.

:hi:

[tallahasseedem]

129. Oh my...

LOL!

[w4rma]

82. My favorite Congressman: Al Franken. (nt)

[CTLawGuy]

103. He's no Bernie Sanders either

while not thrilled with the Senate bill, Bernie still voted for it because he knew it was a step forward and the best we going to do right now.

[mr715]

28. Your Question Is Ignorant.

He has:

1. Run for President two times and proved that there is a massive progressive majority that will rise up and support meaningful change in the country.

2. In said Presidential campaigns, he has not, absolutely not, thrown his support to candidates that either supported the Iraq or Afghan war or pro-nuclear energy.

3. Has absolutely stayed consistent on his views on women's choice.

4. Become the current face of the Democratic party across the galaxy during his cosmic awakening.

5. Proposed articles of impeachment leading to the arrest of the sitting vice president and the immediate and complete elimination of torture.

6. Totally successfully established a not completed redundant department of peace that absolutely, positively has a place in the Federal government and is not, entirely, within the jurisdiction of a functional department of state, justice, housing, and health.

7. Developed a totally rational and group of followers that appreciate Mr. Kucinich's high ideals and not his sweeping, feel-good, crystal waving rhetoric.


Dennis Kucinich is not a friend of liberals or progressives. He has accomplished NOTHING. He does not seem to be terribly intelligent, have a great command of the issues, or even a scrap of leadership. I don't get why people are so pulled into his speeches. They make me cringe because they sound like an Enya song.

Call it as it as. He is dragging down a Democratic plank for his own ego. He wanted this issue, but not he can't have it, so people need to die.

I don't care for the dude.

[HughMoran]

39. Great post

I had to read it more than once to catch all the tongue-in-cheek points.

K&R - like to see this one as an O/P, though you'd need an extra, extra heavy duty flack jacket.

[Ozymanithrax]

45. Though your post is tongue in cheek, Actually, Dennis was a staunch right to lifer unti 2002...

So he has been very inconsisten about his stance on a woman's right to choose. It became important to champion those right when he decided to run for Preisdent. Up until he ran for President, his record on aboriton was almost identical to Henry Hydes.

[mr715]

49. Know it.

He has a bunch of those issues.


Flag burning too, right?

But he had a change of heart. So its okay.

But its not for Barack Obama, John Kerry, or Hillary Clinton. When they change their minds, its criminal.

[Jennicut]

75. That is for sure. I don't really hate Dennis, I just don't think he is perfect. No politician is.

[mr715]

88. I don't appreciate people that prey on followers.

And he does. He makes people feel small by convincing them that only he can act.

Do I hate him? No,but I find him a rare combination of shameless and shameful.



MR

[Jennicut]

89. Manipulative? Flip-flopper?

I don't think he is a pure and perfect as some people here seem to think. Of course, Obama, Hillary, etc. are blasted on a daily basis. Nothing wrong with that it is just that no one wants to face up to the fact that their "hero" is far from perfect. That is why I keep my heroes as people I actually know and have in my everyday life, not a politician.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

102. I totally popped a vessel before realizing you weren't serious

It's sad that I'd think otherwise though, given the tone of this place.

[JNelson6563]

145. Well put.

+1

[The Gunslinger]

30. one thing I know is that he is an example of what a Democrat should be

Imagine what would be done if all the Democrats in the House and Senate were like him.

[mr715]

32. Nothing would get passed

because all 100 members would be so driven by ownership of their own issues that nothing would get done.

If everyone wants the whole pie, no one ends up eating.

If Kucinich was a leader he would compromise, he would forge alliances, and he wouldn't show such contempt for the American people that need ANY type of health care reform.

[The Gunslinger]

54. No, real reform would be passed.

Personally I need health care reform. But keeping it employer based and mandated will make it impossible for there to be single payer or a public option in the future. "ANY" health care reform does not make it better.

[mr715]

62. How?

He doesn't want success, he wants the issue so he can moan.

Imagine 500 Kucinich's, each of 'em invoking star songs.

[FrenchieCat]

33. IF "all" Democrats in the House and Senate were like him?????

If we have to imagine something that cannot happen in order to see the good in DK....
that's not saying a whole lot.

Now, back to reality....

[The Gunslinger]

57. What good has the rest of the Dino's done??

He is one man, and is standing up for the true values of the Democratic Party. That is "good" in my book.

[HughMoran]

37. A self-absorbed egomaniac who's never accomplished anything other than please a few bloggers?

C'mon, government doesn't work that way.

[WonderGrunion]

134. Imagine if all the Democrats were like President Obama

Healthcare would have passed last year and we would have still had his original plan for a public option.

Imagine all the people standing hand in hand.

[Bobbie Jo]

38. 37 responses, and still no answer to the original question.

[Robeson]

40. I would imagine that is because many here feel the OP's...

...intentions are disingenuous, and don't want to play along. Just saying.

[HughMoran]

41. The space in between posts didn't provide the answer you were looking for?

:rofl:

[Bobbie Jo]

51. ( )

:spray:

[jillan]

43. Married a beautiful woman.

[suzie]

122. Yeah, I'm always impressed with a man who remains so immature throughout his

livef that he needs to marry a woman 1/3 his age.

[liquid diamond]

135. They look like brother and sister to me.

[Ikonoklast]

140. He's married *three* beautiful women.

Two ex-wives.


But he gets a pass on that.

[zulchzulu]

44. He's a self-absorbed fucking ugly prick who can't do shit or get more than 2% of the vote

FAIL.

That's Dennis.

People I personally know can attest to the fact that he's a self-absorbed little fucking selfish prick. Go to Dennis when you want to fail. Because that's what you get with the little fuck.

He's our Sarah Palin... except at least she knows she's a goddamn joke.

[Dinger]

48. Sickening Flamebait Post (nt)

[zulchzulu]

66. You want to know how I know Dennis is a self-absorbed little prick?

In 2003, at the Fighting Bob Fest in Baraboo, Wisconsin, I was tabling there and next to me was a huge tabling effort of Kucinich fans. They had bought a huge sign that probably cost $2000, bought lots of bumperstickers and buttons, printed lots of issue papers, had several TV sets playing Kucinich in speeches, had several dozen people at the table trying to get out the message and so on. They had spent perhaps $20,000 for an event that most might have spent perhaps a $100.

A friend of mine was a big Kucinich fan and had offered to pick up Kucinich at the Madison airport and drive the hour and a half to the event and then back again after the event was over.

So he picks up Kucinich and a staffer. Dennis barely acknowledged him. When they got to the car and started driving to the event, my friend tried to engage in basic, mannerly small talk and was told firmly to just drive. Much of the drive was dead silence. An occasional mobile phone call made by Kucinich and his assistant were usually confrontational and odd. He just drove.

Once they got to the event, Kucinich acted like a little ass telling him to be ready to drive him back to the Madison airport... like he was his private driver.

Meanwhile, Kucinich never bothered to visit the table of volunteers who were there. Many were distraught at how he seemed to be avoiding them.

Then, when Kucinich was done speaking (hours later), he came back to the car and told my friend to drive quickly back to Madison. Again, no talking... just drive.

Did Kucinich give my friend any money for gas for the trip? Fuck goddamn no. Not a fucking dime.

It's no wonder the little shit never can get a decent campaign and gets less than 2% of the vote when he runs for national office. He's a little self-absorbed jackass. And yes, he keeps the money suckers give to him to pad his wallet.

You can like Kucinich if you want. That's like saying dogshit tastes good with enough horseradish.

[Dinger]

69. I Like Him Just Fine Thank You

We can agree to disagree, so if that's o.k. with you, let's do just that.

[suzie]

123. I heard Kucinich speak in person and then answer questions in an informal

setting.

It was such a great experience--if you like being condescended to and hearing someone who aims his criticism not at Republicans, but at other Democrats.

So, I'd add condescending to self-absorbed.

[HughMoran]

63. ...or our Ron Paul

He's not really a Democrat because he stands for Dennis and Dennis only when push comes to shove.

[spoony]

119. It's nice that you're not even pretending to belong here anymore. nt

[liquid diamond]

136. Palin and Kucinich

That's a good comparison. They are only popular with the irrational fanatics on both sides of the political spectrum.

[Oregone]

46. Its difficult to quantify anyone's accomplishment actually

Bills are a formation of converging factions ideas. He clearly does not represent the dominant Third Way, but it is tough to determine whether or not he has, behind closed doors, moved legislation to the left as a voice for the people. Everybody needs representation, and he gives it to the muted many who are cast aside in the name of profit.

[Bobbie Jo]

56. "Bills are a formation of converging factions ideas."

Indeed.

[tranche]

86. These pretzels are making me thirsty.

[Imagevision]

47. I agree, he married a pretty lady...

[liberalpragmatist]

52. I'll take Sanders over Kucinich any day

Look, Kucinich isn't the main problem on HCR - it's the conservadems and Blue Dogs who are chiefly holding this up. But if it fails by one vote and Dennis doesn't vote for it, he's going to get a lot of justly deserved blame.

My problem with Kucinich is that, however well-meaning and "principled" he is, he mostly just postures, agitates, and then runs vanity campaigns for president without doing much legislative groundwork. Sanders actually delves deep into the legislative process, passes numerous amendments, and does vote for legislation even when he acknowledges it's imperfect, so long as he sees it as making progress.

I wouldn't have as big a problem with Kucinich on HCR either if he didn't do this - constantly voting against things out of purity - on nearly everything.

[zulchzulu]

67. Absolutely! Sanders is not a little sniveling prick n/t

[CTLawGuy]

106. agreed

Sanders voted for the Senate bill, not because he loves "teh korporashuns" but because he knows its good for a start and can be tweaked later. I have great respect for Senator Sanders.

[Imagevision]

53. Geeze I hope Dennis doesn't run again - I mean enough is enough already...

[mr715]

59. He will.

Beign tumors stay where they are until, you know, they get excised.

BUT he votes for Nancy Pelosi for Speaker, so hes a democrat and as much as I hate him, I'll take a benign tumor over a malignant one.

[Cali_Democrat]

60. Married his third wife

She's pretty good looking so hopefully it will last this time.

[Moochy]

83. Your intentions are pure

shit

[BlueIdaho]

61. I'm for the current HCR and I'm also ok with Dennis K.

The current legislation is the first step in a journey of a thousand miles. I'm fine with keeping one eye on the prize and the other on the horizon. This is a good start - but we can work for a better tomorrow too.

[HughMoran]

65. He says he's fine with being the vote that kills legislation we've been trying to pass for 50 years

Are you OK with that?

[BlueIdaho]

72. He is one vote.

No more or less important than all the other votes. So just exactly how can you, I, or anyone else prove he alone caused this or any other bill to pass or fail? I know exactly how serious this is - trust me. So why not point a finger at Stupak and others that refuse to vote for the bill because abortion wording isn't to their liking when they know full well that other existing law already addresses their pet issue.

If I had my way - it would be Medicare E with no exemptions, exclusions, or hesitation - but I believe we a making a critical first step toward a better America and I refuse to buy in to a false dichotomy.

[Cha]

74. One vote could make or break..every vote counts.

Oh, and look around..there's lots of pressure on stupak and his dirty dozen.

[BlueIdaho]

79. So...

Its not ok for me to be a full-throated supporter of the current legislation - and want us to continue to fight for more - much more?

Does anyone really think this thread - or a hundred like it will sway any member of congress to vote this way or that? I am fully aware of all the efforts to pass HCR, I donate money, write my congress critters, and argue with my neighbors - THAT counts. This is just a thread and I just don't dig litmus tests and false choices.

Cheer up - this is going to happen.

[HughMoran]

77. At this time, he is close to being the "one vote" that determines whether HCR passes or fails

Do you think we'd be discussing his latest stance on Countdown if it wasn't the most critical of times for passing reform. I have pointed a finger at Stupak repeatedly, but nobody HERE DISAGREES WITH ME WHEN STUPAK IS ATTACKED!!!

WHY IS IT THAT ONLY WHEN DENNIS THREATENS TO STOP A CRITICAL REFORM WILL PEOPLE SAY "OH WELL"??

[BlueIdaho]

85. Take a deep breath...

Dennis is the flavor of the day because he was on Countdown. Honestly tell me you were this outraged by him three days ago when he wasn't going to vote for the current legislation and that you'll be this outraged by him three days from now when he still won't vote for the legislation? Now tell me how that outrage will serve any real purpose - how will it force him to change his mind? It won't.

I'm not happy about his pending vote either - but he reminds me - and perhaps others that this fight is just beginning, not ending.

My question to you is - what could we both be doing that would have more impact on passing the legislation than disagreeing in one thread on DU?

[HughMoran]

91. What can we do? Call Kucinich & other "no" votes offices 24/7

That's all we can do. I'd say march, but suburban couch-potatoes don't do that any more - lol.

[BlueIdaho]

95. I'm making calls too brother... now

If I start marching from Idaho today, will I get to DC before we pass HCR? God I hope not ;>)

[spoony]

120. Lol, yeah THIS is what we've been waiting for.

Oh, you really believe that don't you? Blimey.

[citizen snips]

68. He does a good job of filling up space during the democratic primaries.

[mr715]

70. Not much space. NT

[hulka38]

71. He doesn't piss in his pants when he takes the floor to berate Republicans.

And treats pee stained Dems with kindness.

[mr715]

73. Anxiety arises

when you fear you may be in history's gaze.

Fortunately, or unfortunately, Kucinich has never been even a twinkle in history's eye.

[Moochy]

78. His Detractors Speak in Grandiose Empty Phrases

Awesome and ignored replied so i gotta check print friendly to see what it said.

[Bobbie Jo]

80. Sadly, his supporters can't answer the original question.

[hulka38]

81. He's been far ahead of the curve on the major historical issues like Iraq and the financial crash.

If you know what's going on, your record proves it and you don't compromise your principals then you make others nervous. And I don't think he's insignificant. There are 10 active threads about him on GDP right now.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

104. If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a noise?

If DK berates Republicans and no one gives a damn, does it matter?

[hulka38]

128. What kind of a question is that? Knowing the truth and having the courage to speak

it is what its all about regardless of who your audience is.

[mr715]

130. I hate all five winged flying fruit baskets.

I want them all to die.

I want every flying five winged fruit baskets to burst into flames and die a horrible, painful death.


I'm not very courageous because I took a RIDICULOUS stand.


Kucinich is not courageous because he is unwilling to accept responsibility. If he was courageous he would be willing to work for the people he represents, instead of being so terrified of injuring his ego.

I know the truth. FIve winged flying fruit baskets all deserve to die. I must have courage because I took a stand and didn't change my mind.

[hulka38]

142. Those small colored dots are not your friend.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

143. No it isn't.

Not at all. Perhaps someday you'll learn that.

[tranche]

87. PUBLIC LAW 105–373—NOV. 12, 1998

To make available to the Ukrainian Museum and Archives the USIA television program ‘‘Window on America’’.

[HughMoran]

92. lol

:rofl:

[HughMoran]

93. What I meant to say was

:spray:

[Bobbie Jo]

97. Finally.

Now, was that so hard?

[QC]

112. He keeps the nastiest reactionaries on DU in a state of frustrated rage.

That is surely worth something.

[JVS]

115. I'll make sure to donate!

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

116. I would definitely agree that he and his supporters are reactionaries.

Voting against SCHIP and HCR is clearly not something progressives would do.

[spoony]

121. Yep, he's so 'irrelevant' they have to devote half their lives to berating him. nt

[Cali_Democrat]

126. Nasty reactionaries in a state of frustrated rage?

Pot meet kettle. :rofl:

[DevonRex]

137. LOL! He keeps us laughing. We LOVE the Kooch threads, UFOs and all.

[JVS]

114. He has angered the most vile people.

[Moochy]

118. These Bash DK fests are always productive

to my ignore lists size.

[Cha]

125. He's sucked in the most vile people.

[DevonRex]

138. +1. He gives third party folks cover. They can say they "like" a Dem.

:rofl:

[Robb]

124. I'll just say he's no Ted Kennedy

...and leave it at that.

[4lbs]

127. Why is Kucinich afraid to run for that open Senate seat in Ohio?

You would think that his most ardent supporters would be clamoring for him to run, and add a Progressive to the Senate rolls, to give the public option, and single payer a little better chance.

Is it because he knows that Ohio will never elect someone as far left as him for the Senate?

I give Sherrod Brown more credence than Kucinich. Brown's a Senator, Kucinich is just a House Rep. Right now, all the problems and compromises the Democrats had to make were because of the Senate, not the House.

You want more Progressives in the Senate? Get people like Kucinich to run. He should be running for Senate, not the Presidency.

[Cha]

131. dennis doesn't want to do the real work..

that would interfer with grandstanding. I still don't know what he's done in his Congressional years.

[Ikonoklast]

141. Dennis would get slaughtered in a senate race.

He can't get any votes outside his district in a state-wide race.

Not because he's too far 'left', it's because he's ineffectual as a legislator and people here know it.


And Sen. Brown is ten times the progressive Dennis is, he actually gets things done for the state of Ohio.

Dennis...not so much. His ego prevents him from accomplishing much except being a back-bencher bomb thrower.

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144. I see him as a liar and a hypocrite..doesn't he think

he can get his points across without that?

[flvegan]

146. He's shown me how worthless the majority of the "Dem" party is.

Or maybe rather how much they are like the Republicans.