Kucinich, who voted against a public option, accuses the President of being against it.

[ProSense]

Video: If You Listen To The President You'd Think He's For The Public Opition BUT HE'S NOT! Kucinich

[AnOhioan]

1. You should stop distorting the facts

This has been debunked many times already

[ProSense]

3. After voting against H.R. 3962 - Affordable Health Care for America Act,

Kucinich: Why I Voted NO

“By incurring only a new requirement to cover pre-existing conditions, a weakened public option, and a few other important but limited concessions, the health insurance companies are getting quite a deal. The Center for American Progress’ blog, Think Progress, states “since the President signaled that he is backing away from the public option, health insurance stocks have been on the rise.” Similarly, healthcare stocks rallied when Senator Max Baucus introduced a bill without a public option. Bloomberg reports that Curtis Lane, a prominent health industry investor, predicted a few weeks ago that “money will start flowing ...

The House bill included a public option. Why is he talking about the Baucus bill?

[AnOhioan]

4. Have a problem with reading comprehension?

His statement is clear.

[ncteechur]

9. Did he vote no? I think he did.

[Oregone]

61. Yes, he voted against mandates, private insurers, and low actuarial valued plans

See...we can all spin and distort, all day long.

[ProSense]

25. Yes, he stated clearly that he voted no. n/t

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[ncteechur]

11. Dennis' latest democratic voting record....

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO



He is becoming predictable. If he can't get HIS bill, he votes NO.

[krawhitham]

88. +1

[HughMoran]

98. Predictable is not good

Even standing on principal gets lame if nothing good ever comes of it.

[flpoljunkie]

91. Bernie Sanders supports the Senate bill with Obama's sidecar fix. If it's good enough for Sanders,

it ought to be good enough for Dennis J. Kucinich.

[Cha]

41. dennis is the one who is distorting the facts..

for his own fucking agenda.

[Oregone]

60. You people can't seriously believe this shit

You can just as easily say he voted against mandates or he voted against funding public health clinics, or he voted against banning pre-existing condition screening.


He voted against a BILL.

[DJ13]

62. Yeah they can believe it

Same sort of team sports thinking that had Republicans supporting Bush to the end.

[Cha]

68. dennis the distorter.. on Pres Obama..what a coincidence

who's sanctioning it.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. Kucinich is either a RW troll, or has been suckered by RW trolls.

I'm still holding out for him just being a sucker.

[Oregone]

20. If you are struggling trying to find someone to call a troll, did you miss the title of this topic?

Its a full blown distortion to defame a Democratic member of congress.

[Cha]

46. dennis knows exactly who he's hurting and

what's in it for him.

[mzmolly]

100. OMG

:rofl:

[truedelphi]

6. This is the first topic that I think I have ever deliberately

Un rec'ced. (The only others I unrec'ced were when I meant to rec and msised the mark.)

Wish I could unrec it another two dozen times.

[emilyg]

70. I gave it unrec.

[Enthusiast]

85. Me too. nt

[ProSense]

73. Unrec

doesn't change the facts:

Kucinich: Why I Voted NO

“By incurring only a new requirement to cover pre-existing conditions, a weakened public option, and a few other important but limited concessions, the health insurance companies are getting quite a deal. The Center for American Progress’ blog, Think Progress, states “since the President signaled that he is backing away from the public option, health insurance stocks have been on the rise.” Similarly, healthcare stocks rallied when Senator Max Baucus introduced a bill without a public option. Bloomberg reports that Curtis Lane, a prominent health industry investor, predicted a few weeks ago that “money will start flowing ...

The House bill included a public option. Why is he talking about the Baucus bill?

[DJ13]

7. You're fixated

Someone dares (DARES!) to hold out for liberal values and it pisses you off.

lol

[jefferson_dem]

10. Voting against the public option =

holding out for liberal values?

[DJ13]

16. Depends on whether its a good PO or just another phony offering

The version the House finally decided on wasnt a very strong PO.

[ProSense]

19. So he's criticizing the President for being against a phony public option?

The very one he opposes?

[DJ13]

27. I thought you guys claim Obama isnt against it?

Which is it?

[ProSense]

31. What does that have to do with the OP? n/t

[Oregone]

32. Voting against a public option amendment in conference can be construed as voting against a PO

He didn't do that. He voted against an entire bill of mostly shit. I don't suppose you understand the difference.

[jefferson_dem]

36. Then why does Kucnich make a big stink about losing faith in Obama and health care because...

the public option is not in the bill? He's implying that, if it's included, all would be well.

When o' when will we ever find legislation worthy of Kucinich's support? How long will he enable the Republican agenda? Hopefully his little gadfly games will be over in 2010 if he stands against reform...again.

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[ProSense]

39. Wow

"All the other political bullshit and grandstanding aside, the OP is a lie aimed at smearing a Democrat. It should be against the board rules to do this."

:rofl:

[Oregone]

43. You think lying and smearing Democrats is funny?

[ProSense]

48. Is President Obama a Democrat?

The self-righteous concern is a tad disingenuous.

[Oregone]

50. Yes

And I fortunately don't sit around and smear him. I rarely mention Obama, as Im far more concerned about policy.

[jefferson_dem]

47. Go whine somewhere else.

The OP is no more a lie than shit routinely smeared on this board with the President as the target.

[Oregone]

52. Saying something happened that didn't is a lie

You know it and I know it.

[ProSense]

37. You really believe this response makes sense?

What are the chances he's going to get a perfect bill to vote on?
He voted against SCHIP, claiming that it didn't go far enough, then voted for the same bill a few months later.

[Oregone]

40. It does make sense

Voting against an amendment for a public option is voting against a public option

Voting against a 1000 page bill that might contain some watered down form is voting against a bill.

It doesn't mean he is against everything in the bill. I imagine he likes funding community health clinics (just a guess).

Dont play stupid.

Seriously.

Do not play stupid. You know what you posted is a dishonest lie at worse, and a distortion at best, all aimed to smear a Democrat

[ProSense]

45. Can't stand the heat

tough. Kucinich is a hypocrite and grandstander.

[Oregone]

54. I can't stand lies and distortions aimed at smearing Democrats

[Enthusiast]

86. I'm with you, Oregone. nt

[ibegurpard]

65. lol

you overestimate yourself

[angelicwoman]

57. Being for a strong P.O=liberal value, because his argument was that we needed a STRONG public option

Conservatives do not want a strong public option.

[ProSense]

12. Yes, the topic is Kucinich's grandstanding.

It's currently a hot topic since the last time he did it.

Do you think the hundreds of posts criticizing the President on the same issues over and over again by many of the same people equate to fixation?

This is a discussion board, get use to it.

[DJ13]

18. No, I think its you grandstanding

But carry on.

[ProSense]

21. No, I'm criticizing Kucinich

Thank you.

[Oregone]

33. The topic is a distortion aimed at ostracizing and undermining a member of the Democratic Party

You should be ashamed, if not tomb-stoned (thought thats up to the benevolent mods).

[dmallind]

42. Does the same go for Obama? Lincoln? Nelson? Bayh? NT

[Oregone]

55. Sure

[jefferson_dem]

53. Oh please.

:spray:

Now you're just being silly.

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[jefferson_dem]

8. Hypocrite!

But he also voted against...

- The resolution admonishing Joe "You Lie" Wilson
- President Obama's budget
- Cap and Trade

...

So he's consistent(ly) wrong.

[denimgirly]

13. If i recall he voted No on a watered-down PO...He wants strong PO or a Single Payer

I respect that even if i would have voted for a weak PO.

[Oregone]

26. He voted "NO" on a shitty bill

People need to stop using the existance of ANY PO as a litmus test for real reform. He did not vote against the PO. He voted against a bill. End of story.

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[ProSense]

15. Poor thing, such a lame response. n/t

[Oregone]

23. Exactly. Its absolutely asinine.

If ANYONE is here *defending* the content of the OP, they have a clearly distorted version of reality for the sole purpose of ostracizing a Democratic lawmaker.

[jefferson_dem]

30. "People" don't trust the OP?

Projecting your own insecurities onto others is not very becoming.

[asdjrocky]

34. Gee, that really hurts my feelings.

I was so hoping you would like me.

[jefferson_dem]

59. Keep digging.

Perhaps you'll get more of your posts nuked.

[asdjrocky]

64. You are really too funny.

[Oregone]

35. Do you trust and believe the content of this topic?

Honestly now, do you?

[jefferson_dem]

44. Yes, I do.

I believe Kucinich is unfairly ridiculing Obama and the health care bill for not including a provision that, based on his voting record, he doesn't support anyway.

[Oregone]

49. "Conviction is a greater enemy to truth than lies" - Nietzsche

This is a gage of exactly how fucked up things are today

[Enthusiast]

87. That is a distortion.

Dennis will support a real public option. If we are using reconciliation to enact reform there is not reason it can't include a strong public option.

[Go2Peace]

58. really.. we all know the little secret. You think we are stupid?

Some here are less interested in the "forum" aspect and more interested in information control. You expect people to like that someone games them, regardless what their politics are? Be honest about it.

[spoony]

93. I don't.

Most people who can smell a 'pro' don't, either.

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[depakid]

22. I think there's more than ample resaon to believe he is at this point

[Vinnie From Indy]

24. And you really think this is a good way to win hearts and minds?

It is lazy, dishonest and severely lessens your credibility.

Cheers!

[Oregone]

28. It works for Republicans

If you take away logical fallacies, attacks, and distortions, all this person has left is cut & pasties.

[ProSense]

63. May I interest you in

a lame excuse:

Kucinich: Why I Voted NO

“By incurring only a new requirement to cover pre-existing conditions, a weakened public option, and a few other important but limited concessions, the health insurance companies are getting quite a deal. The Center for American Progress’ blog, Think Progress, states “since the President signaled that he is backing away from the public option, health insurance stocks have been on the rise.” Similarly, healthcare stocks rallied when Senator Max Baucus introduced a bill without a public option. Bloomberg reports that Curtis Lane, a prominent health industry investor, predicted a few weeks ago that “money will start flowing ...

The House bill included a public option. Why is he talking about the Baucus bill?

[Kdillard]

29. Thanks Prosense. I am amused by the personal attacks without real

Substance as to what you posted. Kucinich is just being himself from what I have seen. If he got everything he wanted in the bill he would still find a way to be against it. I don't know how he has supporters when people can't name a single thing he has accomplished towards progressive ideals.

[ncteechur]

51. Well that is the beauty of it--he can get his "no" voting ass defeated in November.

[angelicwoman]

66. Was the public option Kucinich voted against a weak one or a strong one?

How did it affect average premiums relative to no public option at all?

[Oregone]

67. He never voted against any public option

He voted against a piece of shit bill that had a watered down public option included in its 1000 pages. The OP is just a lie.

[boppers]

69. Will Kucinich finally fight for a PO?

Will he finally stand up to the insurance companies?

:evilgrin:

[jillan]

72. Other than complain that it's not there - what has he done to fight for a PO?

Serious question here...I really don't follow Kucinich and don't know what he has done.

[boppers]

83. He's big on a strong PO, and single payer.

My comment was more of a poke at those who claim Obama hasn't fought enough.

[tekisui]

74. Still focused on Kucinich?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I love it. Please, keep it up!

[ProSense]

75. "Please, keep it up!" OK:

Kucinich voted against not only the public option, but also the climate change bill, physician payment reform, the pay as you go act, Obama's Budget, consumer protection act and even the reprimand of Joe "You lie" Wilson.

All no votes with Republicans.

[tekisui]

76. Is that it? What else do you have?

:shrug:

[Bobbie Jo]

101. You need more?

:shrug:

[Cha]

81. Jealous prick.

[Ozymanithrax]

77. Dennis Kucinich, freind to GOP obstructionists.

[liquid diamond]

79. I pray this traitor gets primaried soon.

[Cha]

96. gops loves them attentionwhores who lie.

[paulk]

78. stupid thread

[Cha]

80. dennis is a little distorter..he's a liar.

[Oregone]

82. What an Orwellian response to a distorted slanderous lie of a topic

Kucinich must be incredibly powerful and threatening to the power structure for such a campaign to be waged against him. Clearly a voice not to be ignored

Now back to your:

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[asdjrocky]

89. +1

[ShortnFiery]

90. Have you no shame? eom

[freddie mertz]

92. Another distortion of the facts.

Presumably deliberate.

Kucinich supported the strong PO. opposed the toothless, watered-down one.

He has been open and consistent on this point.

[Bluenorthwest]

94. Distortion, spin, etc.

A less honest broker I have never encountered. And I think broker is the right word to use, professionally speaking.

[RedstDem]

95. loves me some Kucinich

Can we clone him?

[Cha]

97. He's a hypocrite and a liar.. sleazy combo.

[Cha]

99. I'll just kick since it got so unrecc.