Nancy Pelosi says she has the votes to pass HCR!

[Inuca]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/3/10/844795/-Pelosi:-We-have-the-votes. :bounce: :thumbsup:

[LakeSamish706]

1. With or without a Public Option is the big question? n/t

[vaberella]

3. She already passed it with the PO before. It wasn't removed if memory serves me right. n/t

[denimgirly]

11. Sadly the one she is referring to now is the Senate Bill (no PO).

[vaberella]

52. But that has nothing to do with Nancy Pelosi. The house never voted on the Senate Bill.

That's the bill they're going to vote on now.

[stopbush]

4. She's talking about passing the current Senate version which doesn't have a PO.

That's step one. Step two is going to reconciliation where the PO has a good chance of being included as it saves $.

Right now, Pelosi is trying to get assurances from the Senate that they will allow an up or down vote on the PO in reconciliation.

[kjackson227]

32. Bingo!

[HughMoran]

2. Fingers crossed

...'bout all one can do at this time. Well, that and argue about Kucinich :rofl:

[SharonRB]

5. Hallelujah!

Bring. It. On.

[xultar]

6. ******* PACK IT UP LIMPBALLS---GET TA STEPPIN *****

[denimgirly]

14. He's already retracted his plane tickets (announced today)

[xultar]

17. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

[Inuca]

18. Why are you raining on my parade?

:hi:

[NJmaverick]

7. THIS IS OUTSTANDING NEWS!!!!!!

A HUGE VICTORY FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!! :toast: :party: :toast: :bounce: :toast: :party:

[no limit]

81. Unless you are part of the american people that is single in the middle class

living paycheck to paycheck. For those millions of people this isn't outstanding news, its a big middle finger to us.

[WI_DEM]

8. I hope so because it would be a disaster not to pass it--it's not perfect

but it's better than the status quo despite what some think and if it weren't the GOP and Health care industry wouldn't be fighting it the way they are. If it goes down we won't see any serious effort at reform again for decades.

[closeupready]

9. Reid said that same thing. Then, he didn't have the votes.

n/t

[Inuca]

15. WHAT?!?!?!?

He DID havethe votes! 60 AYEs, Christams Eve. Reid hailed all over the place (or almost) afterwards for his major victory. And then Scott Brown happened. NOT Harry Reid's fault.

[closeupready]

21. Lieberman was "MAYBE YES" - then "NO WAY IN HELL."

N/T

[Inuca]

23. Wrong

He bargained for what he wanted, then voted YES. Where do you think the 60 yes's came from with no R voting for it?

[closeupready]

35. Ah, okay, right - sorry.

I meant, Reid claimed to have 60 votes for the public option, but he never did. He did indeed get 60 votes for the piece of shit they are going to shove on the American public, yes. :D

[Blue Owl]

10. Wait, let's make sure Chuck Todd has counted them first...

or not

[HughMoran]

12. You mean Fuck Chodd

:rofl:

I'm sick of his smugness.

[thereismore]

19. Ha! I loath the smug smartass. nt

[earth mom]

13. Nancy can take her mandate and no public option and shove it.

:puke:

UNREC!!!!!

[denimgirly]

16. I'm with you -- but seeing as how its going to pass i am now curious as to how much damage

it will do to democrats and the economy seeing as how it is more for insurers than the people

[Inuca]

20. I disagree. We shall see... n/t

[jdlh8894]

24. Yeah-

Pass it and then find out what's in it! What a way to run a country!!!

[Inuca]

29. I simply meant

"we" like in me, you, others here, etc. shall see. WE do not run the country. Too much outrage is bad for your health. This beeing said, I am going outside for a cigarette :-).

[earth mom]

31. Here's a far better, more realistic and truthful thread on the subject.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7883120

GD-P posts are often airy fairy hoperific changeylicious drivel.


p.s. Welcome to DU! :hi:

[NJmaverick]

34. "realistic and truthful" threads almost NEVER have "evil" in their title

[earth mom]

36. Wow you really have gone off the deep end in denial haven't you? nt

[NJmaverick]

38. Nope, I am simply providing a common sense prospective

terms like "evil" tend to be absolute and extreme and more often than not will mark opinions or beliefs of a similar nature. Although if by "gone off the deep end in denial" simply means disagreeing with you, then I guess I qualify under those terms.

[earth mom]

41. ROFLMAO! You think you have common sense?!

:rofl:

Sorry, but anyone with a lick of common sense can see the mandate for the massive insurance rip off it is!

[NJmaverick]

45. Your choice of acronyms and emoticons

betray a closed mind. Perhaps if you were more open minded you would find that some of your positions are in error.

[earth mom]

49. Prove to me that I'm wrong. Prove to me that mandated insurance coverage isn't another huge theft

from the American people-just as the bankster bailout was.

But you can't because EVERYONE knows that the mandate is bullshit that only serves the big businesses of health insurance, the medical industry and big pharma.



You think you are so clever nitpicking my posts over words like evil or my use of emoticons-but it's beyond obvious that all you are doing is targeting me, the messenger, instead of the message.

Epic fail dude. Epic fail.

[NJmaverick]

54. To start with the bank bail out money is nearly all paid back (unless you count Freddie and Fannie)

so you are starting off with a false assertion (plus terms like "bankster" only betray a closed mind).

Now to go from there major liberal economics like Paul Krugman praise this bill, agencies that protect consumers from corporations like the Consumer Union endorse this bill. In fact other than you rather wild accusations (that provide no facts to back them up) there is NOTHING to indicate this is a bad bill.

[earth mom]

58. Link? nt

[NJmaverick]

61. here

here is one talking about a 1.5 Billion profit in a single option sale (along with billions more)

http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2010/03/05/2010-03-05_us_makes_15b_in_bofa_options_sale.html

Here is 25 billion from Wells Fargo

http://www.azfamily.com/internal/?path=/news/national&st=print&id=79212852


Here is Citigroup repaying 20 billion

http://www.tradingmarkets.com/news/stock-alert/c_citigroup-chief-thanks-taxpayers-for-45-billion-bailout-825199.html


BOA repays 45 billion

http://cbs5.com/national/bofa.repay.tarp.2.1360109.html


For more you are going to have to do your own research

[SemiCharmedQuark]

63. Rachel Maddow had a report on this a few months ago (maybe for the 1 yr mark)

I wish I could find it.

[girl gone mad]

75. No, dear.

Do you really have to have this explained to you yet again?

[NJmaverick]

78. No amount of bogus spin will change the FACTS

so don't waste our time

[SemiCharmedQuark]

50. Insults about others having mental defects from someone who thinks Alex Jones speaks truth to power

are pretty funny.

[Number23]

73. Right?? And you haven't even scratched the surface with that poster

[Inuca]

37. What is not "truthful" about

a thread referring you to something Pelosi has said?!??? The thread you link to is more counter-productive FDL bomb throwing.

[earth mom]

39. I like FDL-at least they fight FOR the people and don't suck up to the fucking insurance companies

who are nothing more than bloodsucking vampires who are bound and determined to screw us all over while they rob us blind!

Nancy Pelosi is nothing more than one of their tools.

Wake up and smell the kool aid.

[NJmaverick]

40. FDL is on par with Drudge when it comes to the truth department.

[earth mom]

42. You only say that because FDL doesn't kiss Obama's ass. Funny how freepers felt the same way

about anything that didn't make their leader look good too. :eyes:

[NJmaverick]

43. No I say that because they repeated got caught lying

[Spazito]

44. LOL re realistic and truthful...

kudos to you for finding a different way of using the Tinkerbell reference. There must be a "recalibration" going on somewhere about using it once it was pointed out how and why it was being used.

"airy fairy hoperific changelicious' is just SO much better!

Edited for spelling error in changelicious, didn't want to 'misquote' the poster, lol.

[NJmaverick]

46. You nailed that one

[earth mom]

51. Truth hurts, eh? nt

[Spazito]

55. I don't know, when I see it in a thread recommended by you...

I will let you know but, given your past performance re posting "truthful" links, I am not too worried.....eh.

:rofl:

[earth mom]

59. 94 recs on that thread and only a pathetic 24 on this one. There's the truth for you.

But no doubt you will look for more ways to deny the truth of what most people think of the bullshit mandate Pelosi is trying to shove down our throats. :eyes:

[SemiCharmedQuark]

60. This thread has been up for 1 hour. That thread has been up for 18 hours.

For starters.

In addition, since when do Recs mean "I agree!". Recs mean you feel that something should be on the Greatest Page. This is just a link to a Kos site. Why would I want it on the greatest page?

[Inuca]

69. Hey! I also put some smilies!

That's hard work (especially when you ARE at work :-))!

[SemiCharmedQuark]

70. Only 2! If you had put 3, we'd have something to talk about.

:D

[NJmaverick]

62. More people voted for Bush than Kerry so numbers certainly doesn't make one right

especially when the voters don't have to identify themselves and are a completely unknown quantity.

[Spazito]

65. LOL yet again, referring to recs...

damn, who knew recs prove truthfulness! Wow! Knowing you think that recs, or unrecs, are any kind of gauge to be used in judging the truth helps me understand a lot more about your posts and how you determine what is truth and what is not! Hilarious!

:rofl:

[sharp_stick]

47. Why link to that again

hijacking threads is kind of pathetic and damned lazy.

[girl gone mad]

74. I think it will be devastating..

just based on the conversations I've had with people over the last few weeks.

WHo knows, though. Americans have a short memory and the worst of the bill won't kick in for a few years.

[Cha]

28. You can take your rude comment and do the same.

[Sebastian Doyle]

22. You mean she has the votes to pass the Max Baucus Insurance Corporate Welfare act?

If so, that's nothing to celebrate.

[Inuca]

26. As you well know

there is no agreement on this. I think there is. COuld it have been better? In principle, a 1000 times yes. Would it be a MAJOR improvement to get this (Senate bill + changes to pass through reconcilliation) passed? IMHO a 1000 times yes as well.

[Bobbie Jo]

25. K&R

:kick:

Great News!

[Ozymanithrax]

27. Pass it...

Send it back to the Senate so they can pass it...
Send it to the President for his signature.


We need to celebrate the most progressive Health Care bill since Medicare and Medicaid.

[NJmaverick]

30. Yes it's good to take time to appreciate a hard earned victory

I hope Nancy wasn't just blowing smoke.

[Cha]

33. So we'll do it without my freaking

blue dog..at least if it were done today.

[Wardoc]

48. Terrible news if true, hopefully she is just posturing. This bill is worse than nothing. (nt)

[harkadog]

53. If she had the votes she would bring it to the floor and take the vote.

She wouldn't be talking about it.

[NJmaverick]

56. That thought has crossed my mind, but I am hoping we see it passed by the end of the week

[SemiCharmedQuark]

57. I thought the vote was scheduled for next week?

[NJmaverick]

64. I'm not sure, that's what I had heard

but then I started reading some conflicting information.

[Inuca]

68. I don't think it is scheduled at all as yet n/t

[Inuca]

66. She's waiting for the CBO scoring

from the Kos link I provided in the OP

She awaits the CBO numbers which could come as early as today. "My clock doesn't start ticking until the CBO numbers come," she said.

The important part is this:

when asked if she believed the House would end up having the votes to approve healthcare.

"If we took it up today, yes," the speaker quickly added.

[Sebastian Doyle]

67. If this was really all about CBO scores

We would be left with HR 676 and SB 1218 (EMK's Medicare for all bill) and no discussion whatsoever of corporate bailouts via mandates.

[Inuca]

71. The CBO scoring is for the fixes

Democratic leaders huddled Tuesday night in House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's office for the first of what will probably be many strategy sessions, as Congress tries to complete the year-long health-care reform debate before the Easter recess begins March 26.

Participants said that once the Congressional Budget Office delivers a final cost estimate on the fixes bill, possibly this week, Democratic leaders would begin lining up House and Senate votes.

"We have more information to go forward, but we have more questions," Pelosi (D-Calif.) said after the meeting, adding, "We're going to pass a bill."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/09/AR2010030903858.html

I have no idea what you are refrring to above.

[flyarm]

72. Then why isn't it today? Oh I know, so the clock can run out and dems in congress won't get primary

challengers!

Gee, that's right, all the big states deadlines are in March through the end of April.. Calif. I believe March 12th..Florida April 30th I believe..seems Nancyyyyy has to protect those voting for this shitty bill to make sure they don't get primary challengers!

This is their big damn chess game folks..

If Nancy has the votes..then why not vote now Nancyyyyyyy?

Oh... you promised the dems voting for shit on a shingle bill they won't get challenged ..right Nancyyyyyyyyy?????

Thought so..this bill will not get voted on until the deadlines in the big states pass for registering for primaries against sitting congress people..count on that!!

Again..California..March 12th..Florida April 30th..look up the other big states..NY..Texas..Ill...go ahead look them up..and tell me when the vote will be..My estimate..after the Florida deadline..of April 30th.

fly

[girl gone mad]

76. That's fucked up.

[flyarm]

77. yep..count on it!! eom

[Jennicut]

79. Anyone can file to challenge someone in Congress. I am sorry, but

where is the big conspiracy? There is only a few wavering ones out there who are changing their minds.

[ShortnFiery]

80. That's plain tragic. We'll be the minority party for many election cycles over

this horrific atrocity, i.e., welfare for the insurance cartel.

[deaniac21]

82. Bingo!