What happens if the House passes the Senate HCR bill and the Medicare for all bill?

[CTyankee]

Could Grayson's bill just as easily become an amendment to the Senate bill? Does anyone know if Grayson has a game plan with his bill?

And what would the 40 Senators who have signed on for a public option do in that scenario?

I'm trying to figure out a coherent strategy here...help me out:shrug:

[denimgirly]

1. Well, most Senate Democrats DONT want Medicate for All -- They are paid to kill it

I suspect most of those 40, as Cenk smartly put it, are mostly smoke and mirrors. They have no intentions of voting for anything that resembles choice and competition for consumers. And that includes any form of Public Option or god forbid Medicare for All. In other words: Dead on Arrival.

Lobbyists pay off senators (and House members) to do their bidding...not what the people want, but what the corporations insist.

If true Campaign Finance Reform were ever possible in our lifetime then Medicare for All would be a reality in a heartbeat.

So Grayson's bill stands little chance of getting any traction even if it makes the most sense and simplest to implement, saves siginificant amounts of money, easy for the public to digest and get widest support by both party constituents.

At least this gives Grayson more respect by the people.

Every day it seems Anthony Weiner, and Alan Grayson (and Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich) are the only real democrats remaining and its nice to see these figures pop in and out of the news once a week. Not sure i resepct any other democrats...and that includes the WH.

[HughMoran]

2. "They are paid to kill it"

Prove that cockamamie statement NOW!

[havocmom]

4. Hey, big news! People are entitled to hold opinions

even opinions some here might not approve of.

[sandnsea]

7. Actually that's libel, not an "opinion" n/t

[havocmom]

12. Only if specific names are named

otherwise, opinion, which is, I believe, still legal

[sandnsea]

14. There aren't that many Senate Democrats

To say they have been paid off to vote one way or the other is libel. You couldn't say that about any group except politicians and that's only because they're public entities and the courts know people will say stupid shit because people are stupid. But it's still libel.

[havocmom]

22. One need only look at contributors' lists to form and share an opinion

Opinions are STILL legal

[cornermouse]

28. Attempted intimidation is an ugly tactic.

[karynnj]

25. It is an unfounded allegation of something that is illegal

[kenny blankenship]

5. Dry up.

For the first time in 20 years, health insurance donors are giving more to the Democrats than to Republicans.
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=F09

(So much for the idea that insurance mafia is fighting our valiant Democrats and their attempt to "reform" health care.)

[HughMoran]

13. Dennis Kucinich - bought and paid for by the insurance industry?

Well, if that's your measure, then so be it.

[HughMoran]

6. So far no takers? C'mon, prove this ridiculous statement!

Don't be shy!

[derby378]

9. Since you ignored #5...

I'll make it easy for you:

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=F09

[HughMoran]

10. Accepting contributions does not mean bought off!!!!!

Does anybody here have proof that they were literally bought off?

[Oregone]

11. I wouldn't try. But could you offer another explanation as to why they are so right-wing?

I'm just curious why so many would reject an efficient proven egalitarian approach so that private industry can profit

[niceypoo]

16. Insurance Money to Congress: Open Secrets

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary.php?ind=F09&recipdetail=S&sortorder=A&cycle=All

Candidate Amount
McCain, John (R-AZ) $2,917,103
Obama, Barack (D) $2,505,802
Dodd, Chris (D-CT) $2,415,646
Clinton, Hillary (D-NY) $1,876,465
Kerry, John (D-MA) $1,397,368
Santorum, Rick (R-PA) $1,274,850
Nelson, Ben (D-NE) $1,272,999
Baucus, Max (D-MT) $1,200,963
Schumer, Charles E (D-NY) $1,131,000
Specter, Arlen (D-PA) $1,073,005
Lieberman, Joe (I-CT) $1,049,620
Grassley, Chuck (R-IA) $997,674
McConnell, Mitch (R-KY) $973,257
DeWine, Mike (R-OH) $926,263
Gramm, Phil (R-TX) $872,599
D'Amato, Alfonse M (R-NY) $853,693
Conrad, Kent (D-ND) $850,337
Dole, Bob (R) $847,661
Bunning, Jim (R-KY) $787,699
Sununu, John E (R-NH) $759,629
Shelby, Richard C (R-AL) $742,498
Coleman, Norm (R-MN) $718,195
Smith, Gordon H (R-OR) $713,885
Hatch, Orrin G (R-UT) $684,057
Cardin, Ben (D-MD) $649,677
Chambliss, Saxby (R-GA) $647,066
Bond, Christopher "Kit" (R-MO) $639,971
Bayh, Evan (D-IN) $635,452
Ensign, John (R-NV) $629,666
Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R-TX) $619,450
Dole, Elizabeth (R-NC) $600,051
Talent, James M (R-MO) $597,936
Bradley, Bill (D) $594,118
Daschle, Tom (D-SD) $587,123
Lincoln, Blanche (D-AR) $585,333
Cornyn, John (R-TX) $582,428
Burr, Richard (R-NC) $563,571
Nelson, Bill (D-FL) $552,396
Voinovich, George V (R-OH) $552,196
Kyl, Jon (R-AZ) $542,494
Sessions, Jeff (R-AL) $540,527
Carper, Tom (D-DE) $527,794
Johnson, Tim (D-SD) $522,643
Alexander, Lamar (R-TN) $508,900
Collins, Susan M (R-ME) $500,993
Menendez, Robert (D-NJ) $497,329
Reed, Jack (D-RI) $494,667
Reid, Harry (D-NV) $488,410
DeMint, James W (R-SC) $484,495
Thune, John (R-SD) $484,109
Ashcroft, John (R-MO) $481,794
Lugar, Richard G (R-IN) $466,285
Dorgan, Byron L (D-ND) $463,851
Crapo, Mike (R-ID) $457,332
Harkin, Tom (D-IA) $456,117
Torricelli, Robert G (D-NJ) $455,939
Coverdell, Paul (R-GA) $452,355
Abraham, Spencer (R-MI) $433,845
Hagel, Chuck (R-NE) $429,129
Kennedy, Edward M (D-MA) $428,924
Durbin, Dick (D-IL) $424,742
Snowe, Olympia J (R-ME) $416,590
Bennett, Robert F (R-UT) $414,005
Gore, Al (D) $410,501
Landrieu, Mary L (D-LA) $405,931
Corker, Bob (R-TN) $404,395
Lott, Trent (R-MS) $400,251
Nickles, Don (R-OK) $394,631
Rockefeller, Jay (D-WV) $392,874
Allen, George (R-VA) $392,018
Gregg, Judd (R-NH) $388,899
Roth, William V Jr (R-DE) $385,939
Isakson, Johnny (R-GA) $376,292
Faircloth, Lauch (R-NC) $375,406
Feinstein, Dianne (D-CA) $373,890
Burns, Conrad (R-MT) $373,406
Inhofe, James M (R-OK) $366,866
Graham, Lindsey (R-SC) $359,782
Thompson, Fred (R) $345,169
Breaux, John (D-LA) $337,891
Smith, Bob (R-FL) $337,438
Martinez, Mel (R-FL) $323,100
Grams, Rod (R-MN) $322,213
Graham, Bob (D-FL) $320,166
Coats, Daniel R (R-IN) $313,168
Roberts, Pat (R-KS) $311,092
Levin, Carl (D-MI) $303,108
Allard, Wayne (R-CO) $296,431
Wyden, Ron (D-OR) $290,523
Kerrey, Bob (D-NE) $286,881
Vitter, David (R-LA) $278,076
Stabenow, Debbie (D-MI) $275,982
Lautenberg, Frank R (D-NJ) $275,585
Wicker, Roger (R-MS) $273,804
Gorton, Slade (R-WA) $258,985
Edwards, John (D) $247,941
Frist, Bill (R-TN) $244,596
Enzi, Mike (R-WY) $241,953
Moynihan, Daniel Patrick (D-NY) $237,470
Brownback, Sam (R-KS) $237,462
Biden, Joseph R Jr (D-DE) $236,900
Pressler, Larry (R-SD) $236,082
Boschwitz, Rudy (R-MN) $235,741
Warner, Mark (D-VA) $234,300
Brown, Sherrod (D-OH) $221,995
Domenici, Pete V (R-NM) $221,052
Chafee, Lincoln D (R-RI) $218,738
Cleland, Max (D-GA) $210,300
Packwood, Bob (R-OR) $210,247
Pryor, Mark (D-AR) $208,690
Mack, Connie (R-FL) $204,593
Wilson, Pete (R) $201,343
Hutchinson, Tim (R-AR) $196,074
Murray, Patty (D-WA) $195,500
Cochran, Thad (R-MS) $195,212
Hollings, Fritz (D-SC) $193,320
Craig, Larry (R-ID) $190,575
Stevens, Ted (R-AK) $189,882
Thurmond, Strom (R-SC) $189,756
Helms, Jesse (R-NC) $187,445

I believe this is what the poster is referring to...

[HughMoran]

17. Yes, that's where I found that Dennis Kucinich is also bought and paid for

apparently, since he's also taken insurance money.

[niceypoo]

18. Yes, the whole congress is bought and paid for by Insurance companies

...past and present. That is why we are stuck with this timid insurance reform bill.

[HughMoran]

20. It's hardly timid

Only someone looking to spin this negatively would say that.

It's not single payer, but it's disingenuous to call this MAJOR reform timid.

[niceypoo]

21. It is extremely timid

Half measures at best.

The Democrats in congress have painted themselves into a corner with this one. Pass it and they will have privatized universal healthcare and institutionalized private health insurance. Dont pass it and they will get eaten alive in the midterms.

They have no choice but to eat the shit sandwich. My, aren't we so lucky to have these wonderfully brave souls representing us?

[HughMoran]

23. Just not true

You're spewing the propaganda now.

[niceypoo]

26. Your snark is duly noted, but....

Tell me how this doesn't privatize universal healthcare.
Tell me now it doesn't institutionalize corporate insurance.
Tell me how this legislation has teeth.

Im all ears.

[sandnsea]

8. If there's no subsidy for Medicare For All

Then it does absolutely NOTHING for the uninsured. Currently, it's a buy-in at cost, which is around $600 a month, per person. $1200 for a couple. Who knows what for a couple with kids.

[bornskeptic]

27. That's just to receive the benefits that people receive at 65.

You still would need to pay the $100 Part B premium which all seniors pay. Then you've still got to pay 20% coinsurance on every claim unless you pay a couple hundred a month to a private insurer for supplemental coverage. However, Grayson's bill partially deals with these costs by relying heavily on age discrimination. Younger people would get in much cheaper, while it would be totally unaffordable for most 60-year-olds like myself. I don't like the 3:1 age discrimination allowed in the Senate bill,but under Grayson's bill age discrimination in Medicare would be an least 4:1 or 5:1.

But there is a much bigger problem with the Medicare buyin idea. Many new enrollees in Medicare now find it almost impossible to find a physician who will accept new Medicare patients. As more and more doctors opt out or refuse to accept new Medicare patients, and the number of Medicare enrollees explodes with the influx of baby-boomers starting next year, that situation will grow worse and worse, and adding more people would greatly exacerbate the problem. In some parts of the country people buying into Medicare would find themselves with virtually worthless insurance.

[RDANGELO]

3. Sometimes they will have a rule that the last bill passed

negates the previous ones. For instance they could vote on the HCR bill first, and if that passes it would be negated if medicare for all passed after that.

[ShortnFiery]

15. They won't. Hell! The Senate is short 10 votes for reconciling the Public Option.

We are going to be STUCK with a shitty Senate HRC bill that will leave our party out of power for another 8-12 years.

Bravo. :grr:

[MarjorieG]

19. What are realities to getting Medicare at 55- good for policy and mid-terms.

[CTyankee]

24. Yeah, a lot of people are wondering "what happened to that?"

I think that's crazy...they have a WINNER there and they don't do it? Are the NUTS?

No,just paid off...and happy to take home the money...I am so disappointed...