Michael Moore's rant: "There are some good things in this bill."

[ProSense]

Michael Moore:

Well, the insurance companies -- get this -- don't like the Democrats' bill! That alone should be reason enough to vote for it.

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There are some good things in this bill. Parents will be able to keep their children on their policy until the kids turn 26. A few things like that. So, yes, pass that.

The entire rant lashes out at the bill while advocating its passage.

Dear Michael, there are a lot of good things in this bill: here and here




edited title.

[ShortnFiery]

1. You had to use the word "screed." Being divisive to the end? eom

[Robb]

2. Good eye.

One must always avoid inflammatory language.

[ShortnFiery]

4. touché

;)

[ProSense]

5. Changed it. It is a rant. n/t

[ShortnFiery]

10. Thank-you.

At least you and I can reach a positive compromise. :hi:

[phleshdef]

3. Wow. Seems like the only people that want to see the bill killed are Repubs and insurance companies.

[Larkspur]

6. Yet this bill for the next 4 yrs will continue killing adults with pre-existing conditions

the Pre-existing condition clause for the next 4 years is a kid-only clause.

This bill is a piece of crap.

[Skinner]

8. Help me understand.

You think the bill is crap because it doesn't take effect soon enough?

[Larkspur]

13. That's one of the major problems with this bill, per Howard Dean

and Dean says that delay could cost the Dems seats in Congress over the next 4 years.

[Skinner]

18. So if the bill passes, then four years from now...

...our health care system will be better than what we have today. Is that a correct characterization of your opinion?

[Larkspur]

19. No,

the HCR is better than the current status quo but it also holds us hostage to for-profit ins companies and that is bad.

Obama says that we can keep the health ins we have, but my employer provide health ins sucks, so what choice do I have? Not much. I don't see employer provide health ins improving with HCR. I see it getting worse and if we want good coverage, we will have to pay more out of our own pocket for things that should be part of a basic policy.

If Obama's HCR is so good, why didn't he support a strong public option or Medicare buy-in? Because he made deals with the Devil to shore up his legacy as the President who passed health care reform. What HCR really is is mandated health ins. It's not health care reform.

[Larkspur]

20. How are you taking this WH response that us critics of HCR were correct and you were wrong?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7951114

[ProSense]

22. Not wrong:

SEC. 1101. IMMEDIATE ACCESS TO INSURANCE FOR UNINSURED INDIVIDUALS WITH A PREEXISTING CONDITION. (a) IN GENERAL.—Not later than 90 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall establish a temporary high risk health insurance pool program to provide health insurance coverage for eligible individuals during the period beginning on the date on which such program is established and ending on January 1, 2014.

PDF

It was always phased in.

MR. GIBBS: Right. Well, again, the -- as I described earlier and as the President has described, there are certain things that cannot be instituted until you have everyone in the system. Obviously this is a piece of legislation that phases in over the course of many years those changes. And as a result of that phasing in, when that's done, preexisting conditions for adults will be outlawed. But understand this -- when this becomes law, an insurance company will no longer be able to discriminate against a child that has -- that they believe or says that has a preexisting condition.

The fact is Americans with pre-existing conditions will have access to coverage.

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[Larkspur]

14. and yet the health ins cos can still jack premiums 40%

and that's per a health ins expert after reading the bill.

[ProSense]

15. Nonsense

The president’s bill would grant the federal health and human services secretary new authority to review, and to block, premium increases by private insurers, potentially superseding state insurance regulators. The bill would create a new Health Insurance Rate Authority, comprised of health industry experts that would issue an annual report setting the parameters for reasonable rate increases based on conditions in the market.

[phleshdef]

16. Only if the government allows them too. The bill establishes the equivalent of an EPA for healthcare

But nice way to avoid your pre-existing conditions complaint being blown out of the water.

[WCGreen]

11. Tell that to the parents who are living under the threat that their

children could be refused health care because they have Asthma.

I know there are protections in place right now, but if insurance lapses for I believe 61 days without a new policy on place, the kid can be denied under current law.

So I guess that is a pretty good deal for relieving the anxiety some parents will face...

[Larkspur]

12. For those of us who are cheerfully child-free are pissed that not EVERY person

is covered from the beginning, yet we will all be forced to subsidize the for-profit health ins cos.

[ProSense]

17. More nonsense

All the immediate benefits apply whether or not you're single. The mandate does not go into effect immediately.

[vaberella]

21. And let's be honest...some DUers. n/t

[uponit7771]

7. Buh Buh.....Mike Moore is teh Corporatist!!!