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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 07:30 AM
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It's shaping up to be a great weekend here in Washington.
Steven Pearlstein:


I'm not just talking about the spectacular weather or another upset-filled NCAA basketball tournament. I'm talking about the prospect of a quasi-climactic vote in the House that would finally have the United States join the rest of the industrialized world in offering health insurance to all its citizens...

....If, as Republicans would have us believe, Americans are so up in arms about the prospect of "Obamacare," why aren't there angry hordes marching on the Mall or jamming the halls of the Rayburn Building?

If the plan really represents a wholesale government takeover of one-sixth of the economy, why are so many associations representing private doctors, hospitals and drugmakers either supporting the legislation or staying relatively neutral?

And if this Democratic version of health reform is such a threat to economic prosperity, why are stocks, bonds and the dollar all rising this week as odds of passage increase...


....Most of all, enacting health-care reform would be a desperately needed victory for a political system teetering on the verge of breakdown. Years of polarization, partisanship and stalemate have led to a widespread and cynical belief that Washington is simply incapable of solving any major problem. Passing a health-care reform bill would restore not only a measure of trust and confidence in our political process but also, more significantly, trust and confidence in ourselves.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/18/AR2010031805315.html?hpid=topnews


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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 07:31 AM
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1. I am with you on that!..
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 07:32 AM
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2. From his lips...! nt
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 07:32 AM
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3. the rest of the world doesn't offer its populations health insurance
They offer health care. And I'm not even claiming to be a journalist.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 07:36 AM
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4. +1
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Raine1967 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 07:52 AM
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6. Not entirely true.
Many countries offer health insurance. While I understand your point it is a misnomer to assume the rest of the world doesn't. Many, many countries have insurance -- it's how it's delivered to its people that is different. It looks like we are actually moving much closer to the german model. It is referenced here: http://www.fourfreedomsblog.com/Blog.php?Act=ViewBlogPost&BlogID=803

That blog used the following article as a reference.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/21/AR2009082101778.html

1. It's all socialized medicine out there.

Not so. Some countries, such as Britain, New Zealand and Cuba, do provide health care in government hospitals, with the government paying the bills. Others -- for instance, Canada and Taiwan -- rely on private-sector providers, paid for by government-run insurance. But many wealthy countries -- including Germany, the Netherlands, Japan and Switzerland -- provide universal coverage using private doctors, private hospitals and private insurance plans.

In some ways, health care is less "socialized" overseas than in the United States. Almost all Americans sign up for government insurance (Medicare) at age 65. In Germany, Switzerland and the Netherlands, seniors stick with private insurance plans for life. Meanwhile, the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs is one of the planet's purest examples of government-run health care.

{snip}

Foreign health insurance companies, in contrast, must accept all applicants, and they can't cancel as long as you pay your premiums. The plans are required to pay any claim submitted by a doctor or hospital (or health spa), usually within tight time limits. The big Swiss insurer Groupe Mutuel promises to pay all claims within five days. "Our customers love it," the group's chief executive told me. The corollary is that everyone is mandated to buy insurance, to give the plans an adequate pool of rate-payers.

The key difference is that foreign health insurance plans exist only to pay people's medical bills, not to make a profit. The United States is the only developed country that lets insurance companies profit from basic health coverage.

In many ways, foreign health-care models are not really "foreign" to America, because our crazy-quilt health-care system uses elements of all of them. For Native Americans or veterans, we're Britain: The government provides health care, funding it through general taxes, and patients get no bills. For people who get insurance through their jobs, we're Germany: Premiums are split between workers and employers, and private insurance plans pay private doctors and hospitals. For people over 65, we're Canada: Everyone pays premiums for an insurance plan run by the government, and the public plan pays private doctors and hospitals according to a set fee schedule. And for the tens of millions without insurance coverage, we're Burundi or Burma: In the world's poor nations, sick people pay out of pocket for medical care; those who can't pay stay sick or die.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 09:05 AM
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13. Great analysis. There are many models out there that the US uses.
The US's biggest issue is the greed of insurance companies, which is a problem of big business in general.
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Raine1967 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 11:33 AM
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16. Thanks Jenni.
Hubby and I have been working very hard for HCR. (along with so many wonderful DU'ers)

He's the numbers wonk who wrote it. :D

We even got a nod from a House HCR liaison for it too!
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 12:02 PM
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17. He did a great job on it, just read it in full. What gets to me is that we have a lower life
expectancy then the other industrialized nations that have a mix of public/private and single payer models but our cost is way higher per individual: about 7,000 or more.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 07:45 AM
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5. Join the National March on Washington this Saturday, 20 Mar 10 !!!
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 08:46 AM
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11. Hell no! I am not wasting my time making foolish demands
that will result in the deaths of thousands of innocent Afghan civilians and soldiers.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 08:52 AM
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12. WTF! What is it, upside down day?
Edited on Fri Mar-19-10 08:53 AM by ShortnFiery
What? "We must destroy the village in order to save it?" :crazy:

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 09:38 AM
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 02:33 PM
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18. We don't have to destroy a village. If we were to initiate and immediate retreat like you are
advocating thousands of Afghans will be murdered by the Taliban
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 07:56 AM
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7. Indeed.. we deserve a good weekend..
after what we have been through here.. :)
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Possumpoint Donating Member (937 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 08:10 AM
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8. Health Reform?
I'm sorry but this bill is a watered down, pathetic example of that. It fails to do much more then further enrich the insurance industry. Under our system, lobbyists have succeeded in putting corporate interests over people's needs.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 08:23 AM
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9. Actually, I believe its broken mostly because they politicians are bought and paid for
by corporate Amerika... so, the 2 sides of the same coin use hyped up partisan rhetoric to divide the country and keep people looking over at the dangling carrot, while they go looting the entire garden patch.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 08:43 AM
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10. K&R
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 11:32 AM
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15. The first step to getting our Government back to work is removing all the SOBs who believe Governmen...
Can't work. Why TF are those people running for elected office if they believe government can do no good? IF you believe that move back into your Mommy's basement and leave my government alone.
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