Groups that benefit

[LiberalFighter]

Small businesses.
Young adults.
Parents of young adults.
Seniors.
Taxpayers.


And of course... Democratic candidates

[sandnsea]

1. People with pre-existing conditions

People who have used all of their benefits or are about to reach their caps.

People who will get FREE preventive care in all new health care policies, which means there will be a ton of renegotiating this next year.

[NJmaverick]

4. Yeah it's a long and impressive list

[MercutioATC]

2. Insurance companies, pharma...

Just thought I'd help round out your list...

[havocmom]

5. Wall Street (insurance companies don't keep cash is coffee cans)

;)

edited for typo

[terrell9584]

3. I'm a young adult

I'm not seeing my benefit. If anything, I see a requirement that I pay the equivalent of a car payment to a private company (money I'd rather use to go to school part time) or that I lose over $15 a week that I would have had in order to satisfy this tax penalty.


Yes, the benefits I see for myself are just astounding. I'm so greatful this extra burden on my paycheck was passed.

[sandnsea]

7. You don't have to buy anything now

So maybe you should call your parents and ask them if they're going to put you on their plan, and offer to pay it.

[terrell9584]

10. My parents are both retired

And my father got his insurance through his union. Now I had heard that they had raised the age limit that you could stay on but I haven't bothered to ask, because I never understood how all of that worked and I don't want to burden them in retirement.


And if it turns out that I could get on their insurance but I'd still be paying more than the fine then it still would not make sense for me to get it now would it?


See, health insurance I view as a luxury. It was great when I had it as a kid. I left my parents policy a while back. I haven't really needed it nor have been able to afford it since.

[sandnsea]

11. Health care isn't a luxury

It's a necessity. If your dad has union insurance, then they will likely receive a notice of how much it would cost to add you. Be sure and have him tell you how much because I suspect it will be cheaper than you think and will provide check-ups that will keep you healthy so your health care isn't expensive in the future.

[terrell9584]

14. Health Care

You argue that Health Care=Health Insurance

But my view is that Health Care/=Health Insurance.


Health Care is the word that describes services you receive from medical practicioners. Health Insurance is one way that those services are paid for. But if I have a piece of paper that says "I have Health Insurance" and eat that piece of paper that piece of paper is not going to cure me of a cough, end a stomach ailment or anything else now is it?


And one of the reasons costs are so high in the system, besides doctors overcharging and the ridiculousness of the AMA in limiting the number of doctors is that people now go to the doctor for things they don't need to go for.


-Sinus Infection?, no need to go to the doctor for it. If you've had them before you can catch it early and defeat it with immunity supplements?

-The common cold?, give me a break. Just because you have the sniffles doesn't mean you need to go to the doctor.

-A fever?, I'm sorry, but unless that fever is at 102 or higher it can usually be treated with homeopathic remedies.



There was actually a time when man did not have all these fantastic medical breakthroughs and antibiotics out the ass and we still survived.


And the schools have made it worse by requiring doctor's notices for when you are out and the like. It's just stupid. I would imagine that more than 75% of the common illnesses that people go to the doctor for could be taken care of just find by the natural immune system and rest but we've all been conditioned to believe that whenever we're sick we have to go to the doctor and get antibiotics. I'm sorry, but that's bullshit and the overuse of antibiotics is only serving to make us more susceptible to illness by hurting our natural immune systems.

[sandnsea]

16. Rationalizations to avoid responsibility

You did not address the issue of free preventative check-ups to keep you healthy and reduce health care costs in the future.

Health care is not expensive because of colds. It is expensive because of disease that is not treated in its earliest stages.

You will need at least $100,000 of health care between now and the time you are 50 years old, through disease or accident. One way or another.

How are you going to pay for it?

[terrell9584]

15. Health Care

You argue that Health Care=Health Insurance

But my view is that Health Care/=Health Insurance.


Health Care is the word that describes services you receive from medical practicioners. Health Insurance is one way that those services are paid for. But if I have a piece of paper that says "I have Health Insurance" and eat that piece of paper that piece of paper is not going to cure me of a cough, end a stomach ailment or anything else now is it?


And one of the reasons costs are so high in the system, besides doctors overcharging and the ridiculousness of the AMA in limiting the number of doctors is that people now go to the doctor for things they don't need to go for.


-Sinus Infection?, no need to go to the doctor for it. If you've had them before you can catch it early and defeat it with immunity supplements?

-The common cold?, give me a break. Just because you have the sniffles doesn't mean you need to go to the doctor.

-A fever?, I'm sorry, but unless that fever is at 102 or higher it can usually be treated with homeopathic remedies.



There was actually a time when man did not have all these fantastic medical breakthroughs and antibiotics out the ass and we still survived.


And the schools have made it worse by requiring doctor's notices for when you are out and the like. It's just stupid. I would imagine that more than 75% of the common illnesses that people go to the doctor for could be taken care of just find by the natural immune system and rest but we've all been conditioned to believe that whenever we're sick we have to go to the doctor and get antibiotics. I'm sorry, but that's bullshit and the overuse of antibiotics is only serving to make us more susceptible to illness by hurting our natural immune systems.

[LiberalFighter]

8. Apparently you haven't researched the bill.

If you are under 26 you will benefit. If you are unemployed or under-employed you will benefit.

Are you saying that your car payments are $60 a month? Wow

[terrell9584]

13. No car payments are roughly

The cost of the insurance premiums they estimate.

And that $60 a month that would now be mandated for the IRS I can do far better things with. I mean, if worse comes to worse I am a surprisingly skilled card player and I will get my fine money from winnings that I take from others but I would really rather it not come to that.

[damntexdem]

12. So you'd prefer to be a free rider on the rest of us?

If you get really ill, you'd be treated, at high cost to the rest of us. But you'd prefer to ride free because your chance of being the one who gets really ill is low? Yeah, those odds are low; but the fact is that some of you WILL get very sick and be treated at the cost of the rest of us.

[terrell9584]

17. The free rider argument is really not equivalent

I'm sorry, but it's not.


If we were talking about a government provided service then it would be. But we are talking about private corporations and private services. So it's not applicable.

[dkf]

6. Insurance companies and their CEOs. Phrma

Stockholders.

On cnbc yesterday they were saying profits are expected to rise due to the millions of extra customers they now have.

[chelsea0011]

9. As a parent of two youg adults having them on our health care to age 26

is huge, especially since one has an existing condition.

[avaistheone1]

18. Much of the working class and middle class continues to suffer.

Health care insurance is still not affordable for millions of us, and medical bills will continue to take us into bankruptcy and poverty. Good-by middle class for too many.

Seniors get $250...big whoop. :thumbsdown:

[LatteLibertine]

19. HCR can definitely be improved upon

and it will. We couldn't keep going down the path we were on just because the first bill we got isn't exactly what we want.

Eventually, the for profit health insurance industry will be dismantled. It's going to go down in a round about way and it will fall nonetheless.