Bart Stupak Tells Rick Sanchez That Michele Bachmann IS Instigating Violence

[Turborama]

Starting from 03:54 on this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLV0NYs2Xl0

And posted in the videos forum, here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x447793

SANCHEZ: However, there has been an awful lot of palaver today coming from some of your colleagues saying, you know what, to a certain extent, the heated rhetoric from Republicans has instigated some of these actions.

What's your take on that?

STUPAK: Well -- well, the thing that outraged a lot of us was, while the demonstrations were going on, the Republicans were on the second floor with signs urging the crowd below. Some of them said, "Kill." Some of them had a picture of -- of the speaker, and they would hold it up and slice their hand across the speaker's throat. To the crowd, they would all cheer.

I mean, it almost became a -- a mob mentality here. And then, when you have members, same members of Congress, encouraging it with signs and pictures and gestures, that -- that's -- that's really uncalled for.

SANCHEZ: I want to let you -- I want to let you listen to something, because...

STUPAK: Sure.

SANCHEZ: ... you know, some would argue -- and we have gone back and done our research -- that this is not just now...

STUPAK: Right.

SANCHEZ: ... this is not brand-new, that this type of rhetoric has been used by some, not all, some Republicans in the past. Listen to this from Michele Bachmann. This is months and months ago...

STUPAK: Right.

SANCHEZ: ... having, I believe, nothing to do with health care. Play it, Rog.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

REP. MICHELE BACHMANN (R), MINNESOTA: I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax, because we need to fight back. Thomas Jefferson told us having a revolution every now and then is a good thing.

We, the people, are going to have to fight back hard if we're not going to lose our country.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

SANCHEZ: Armed and dangerous and wanting a revolution.

What do you think when you hear those words, and are they appropriate, and do they instigate?

STUPAK: Yes, I think they instigate. Are they appropriate? No.

I've heard other lawmakers make the same accusation.

When are they going to arrest her under http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x244130">Title 10?

Before an unhinged fan of hers carries out an attack or are they going to wait until after they capture an assassin and uncover evidence to prove she incited them?

Earlier on in the interview (from 02:38) he agrees with Sanchez that the recent attacks from the Republican base against Demoicrarts are domestic terrorism:

SANCHEZ: ... some people are going as far as saying that that is very close to, if not actual, terrorism, maybe not the terrorism that we're used to seeing that we see in places like Afghanistan, Iraq, and certainly the horrible thing that happened on 9/11.

STUPAK: Sure.

SANCHEZ: But some people would describe it that way. How would you describe it?

STUPAK: They're -- they're trying to intimidate us. And I do believe that, under federal law, it is a crime to threaten or -- or try to coerce, intimidate a -- a federal official, especially...

SANCHEZ: Is it terrorism?

STUPAK: ... on -- on an -- on an issue.

SANCHEZ: Is it -- is it terrorism?

STUPAK: I guess you might as well call it domestic terrorism, sure. Sure.

Dairy about this in Daily Kos: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/3/25/162121/319">Stupak calls it what it is: "Domestic Terrorism"

Article on the "All Voices" website: http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/5478948-senator-bart-stupak-threats-vandalism-and-violence-is-domestic-terrorism">Bart Stupak: threats, vandalism and violence is "domestic terrorism"

(Edited to update)

[The Magistrate]

1. Then, Sir, He Should Bring The Matter To The Ethics Committee

[MUAD_DIB]

2. Excellent idea. Very commendable.

[Bryn]

4. +1

[Divine Discontent]

6. she needs for Congress to come down hard on her... she's behaving very anti-American.

[kestrel91316]

7. I doubt the Ethics Committee has the stones to confront this.

[Turborama]

9. Isn't this a job for the FBI?

If someone is to be charged under Title 18, which agency would be responsible?

I respectfully await your answer.

PS Have you seen http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x244130">this thread yet? I'd be be very interested to hear your take...

[Cha]

12. +Million REC.

[Cha]

13. And also, the rabid inciters like bachmann-palin

just keep escalataing bc they're not called on it enough.

Thank you for your activism, Turbo.

[Zoeisright]

28. I just reported her to the FBI.

If only her stupid form on her site would let me tell her that.

The fucking bitch is apparently refusing emails from everyone. I looked up cities in her district and entered the zip codes and was constantly told 'Dipshit Bachmann doesn't represent that zip code.'

[msongs]

3. hypocrite stupid thinks its ok when he feels the same way about prochoice people nt

[DJ13]

5. +1

Im noticing a large online PR campaign after the HCR vote to try and make Dems "grateful" for Stupak's vote.

He's still a DINO.

[SoFlaJet]

11. yes he is dj

but he DID vote yes for HCR-that's gotta count for something and just look at all the shit he's had to go through FOR that vote. Stupak is OK with me now.

[struggle4progress]

8. It would be a good thing indeed if some decorum were enforced on the House floor

[Dappleganger]

10. It's called sedition.

[BeyondGeography]

14. Can we agree that Stupak has earned his stripes at long last?

I haven't been a fan, but he has given as good as he has gotten from these fools, and the fact that we can embrace more than one view on abortion in our party is one of many things that makes us better than our opponents.

[katandmoon]

15. No. He would stop a woman from having control over her own body. Fuck him.

[BeyondGeography]

17. Robotic

:dunce:

[katandmoon]

18. I'll never support an anti-choicer whose best buddies are C Streeters. Just because his current

enemies are my enemies doesn't make him my friend. If that's enough to make him your friend, too bad for you.

[BeyondGeography]

21. Votes Democratic 96% of the time, and he's not going anywhere

I'll keep holding my nose occasionally, thanks.

[kenfrequed]

24. Uhm

Okay these "votes with" statements are becoming less and less meaningful depending upon who is generating or framing them.


A: Is this just about votes that make it to the floor ON legislation?

B: What is defined as "voting Democratic"?

C: Are votes in committee counted?

D: Do procedural votes count or legislative chicanery?

I am sorry but this "votes democratic" 96% of the time just doesn't cut it for me.

[Kaleva]

25. He voted against NAFTA, the IWR....

voted in support of Kucinich's bill to end the war in Afghanistan and voted in support of the House resolution disapproving of Bush's plan for a surge in Iraq. I think he's also a co=sponser of a bill to lift the travel restrictions to Cuba but I'll have to check on that one.

[inna]

30. who, yourself? that figures.

[madamesilverspurs]

22. Sure. Skunk stripes.

He switched when he saw the writing on the wall. But he was/is personally willing to let women die in order to maintain his misogyny.

=

[BeyondGeography]

23. No women's lives will be saved by HCR?

(They will.)

As for the "executive order," it has zero impact, as the Hyde Amendment already applied.

Some of his beliefs and votes are appalling, but how many pro-choicers voted for IWR (which Stupak opposed)and how many women died and/or lost family members as a result of that?

Like a skunk, he emits an odor periodically.

[SoxFan]

36. .

[KamaAina]

26. Funny how he turns against them after one of them calls him "baby killer".

Hardly the equivalent of Paul's conversion on the Damascus Road. :eyes:

[Zoeisright]

29. No. Not letting women have autonomy is totalitarian.

The only stripe he's earned is a big white one down his stinky fucking back.

[Zambero]

33. In a sense...

I would agree. I was impressed that he attempted (while being rudely shouted down) to make the connection during his speech at the end of HCR debate last Sunday, that "pro-life" meant more than just anti-abortion. It also included issues that affected the health and well being of children AFTER they were born. He went on to say that only the Democratic party really cared about these issues, and as a result his party was more in tune of what "pro-life" is all about. I could tell the Republicans really hated that remark. I'm pro-choice myself, and I've always believed that most conservatives are "pro-birth" and not much else, because they essentially believe you're on your own once birth has taken place. At least Stupak's beliefs include assistance as needed to ensure continuity for the well-being of humans beyond that point. I had doubted his sincerity before that speech, but I no longer do. Even if I disagree with him on the mattter of reproductve rights, or whether an Executive Order was really necessary.

[RayStar]

16. Voice mail

Does anyone here think that is her voice on the tape messages? To me it sounds like her. I thought of her when our local station played it yesterday. There is one word that stuck our "thought".
This is so wrong of some people.

[Ian David]

19. You know who else instigated the violence? Bart Fucking Stupak.

He spent months lying to people about this bill, telling them it would murder babies, and now those same people are mad as hell at Bart Fucking Stupak after he voted for it.

Stupak built his political career on cultivating these loonies and creating this atmosphere.

And now it's rightfully biting him in the ass.

After years of being IN the crowd shouting "Baby Killer!" now he's the one it's being shouted at. Awww, my heart bleeds for him.

I hope that nobody gets hurt from all this, but if ONE person does get hurt, Bart Stupak would be the one I'd feel the least bad about.

[Kaleva]

27. Stupak never said the bill would "murder babies".

[inna]

31. Maybe not literally, but that was exactly what his despicable anti-choice,

anti-woman rhetoric amounted to.

Attempting to act as an apologist for that sickness is despicable in itself.

[wiggs]

20. Speaking of stupak, doesn't anyone in the media remember the murder

of the Kansas doctor, Tiller? At the time there was much discussion of the fevered rhetoric of RW media and its connection to violence.

[eridani]

32. Wonder if he has actually learned anything about his "pro-life" buddies?

Looks like maybe he has.

[DFLforever]

34. I don't t think those are his buddies.

His buddies are Democrats like Marcy Kaptur, Jim Oberstar, Steve Driehaus, etc.,

He's one of the anti-war, pro-lifers in the House.

[Barbara2423]

35. Bachmann & Palin have 15 minutes left of fame, then they will

fade away. Bachmann is dumb and Palin now has millions of dollars she made off the un-enlightened people in the US. And they have run out of money.