They thought that they could bully and intimidate the President

[chieftain]

They are wrong. What they are finding out is that Obama has given them the opportunity to demonstrate their commitment to this country. Instead the GOP has shown itself to be irresponsible and irrational with an average emotional age of a 2 year old . 2010 is looking better and better.

[babylonsister]

1. Succinct, rec'd, and for those paying attention, eye-opening. nt

[chieftain]

29. Thanks n/t

[happygoluckytoyou]

50. making me cry with joy...... GOP...going down---isn't rush supposed to LEAVE

[sandnsea]

2. It's so simple, so obvious

It's a pity 1,000 professional pundits and 10,000 bloggers can't get it.

[FrenchieCat]

4. Most have been way too busy believing themselves smarter than this President....

which is part of the problem IMO.

Folks for so long were smarter than the President that was in place in 2008,
till they got the false sense of security that being smarter that dimwit
actually meant anything.

I hope instead of folks thinking themselves smarter than most in the future,
they learn something called complexity and with that a little humility.
There are more than one way to approach and solve any problem,
and truly believing that one has the only answer is quite short sighted and a narrow
bit of thinking indeed.

[defendandprotect]

47. There was no one smarter than Bush/Cheney when it came to crime . ..

What America needs is a humanist at the helm --

Democrats keeping Repug wars going for 3 years isn't smart for anyone --

neither the millions of civilians killed, nor for our troops killed and maimed

and still on duty after 8 years --

nor for our Treasury!

Remember what finally brought down the USSR . . . their MIC and going bankrupt

supporting it.

[Skittles]

3. judging from the HCR bill I'd say

oh, never fucking mind

[golddigger]

28. That they did.

Thought I would finish the sentence for you.

[LakeSamish706]

5. But when is he going to end the wars, and close the prisons, and hold the previous

Aholes accountable? Once he does those things he may become free of intimidation.

[Skittles]

6. but it's so simple and so obvious, LakeSamish!

get with the program! :rofl:

[chieftain]

13. I'm not sure why you think your post is so funny but so be it.

I guess I should have been clear in the OP that my reference was specifically to the President's appointments of 15 qualified people during the Congressional recess. This was done in the face of unprecedented GOP opposition and the bullying tactics of the likes of Senator Shelby.Possibly if I had been clearer about what prompted the post, it would have not served as a vehicle for continued sour grapes on HCR and other matters. Then again, probably not.

[Skittles]

14. now THAT was indeed a good move

YES - but do NOT ridicule dissatisfaction with HCR as "sour grapes" - THAT SUCKS, because it is a DEEPLY FLAWED bill

[chieftain]

15. Calling it the way I see it.

People who use ridiculing emoticons shouldn't - Oh well as you so succinctly put it earlier- never fucking mind.

[Skittles]

16. that was in reference to someone claiming its all so "simple"

it most certainly is NOT

[chieftain]

17. Whatever the reference, people who indulge in ridicule

are just a smidge less than sympathetic when they whine about being "ridiculed" themselves.

[Skittles]

18. I disagree

if something is laughable, it just is; it isn't just repukes who claim the ridiculous

[chieftain]

19. I agree. If something is laughable it just is.

There is no real need to rely on laughing emoticons. If someone has made a silly statement, many , if not all DUers, are able to see the inanity without someone applying the equivalent of a TV laugh track in response. Just my opinion but it just seems juvenile to use technology to try ridicule an answer rather than to dispute it with argumentation.

[Skittles]

22. sorry, got side-tracked

not sure what lughable is

[chieftain]

23. Its the same thing thing that "juging" was in your first post-a typo.

But thanks I will edit the post as you did yours.

[chieftain]

24. There- edited. Please let me know when you get back on track.

[Cha]

37. +1!

[FrenchieCat]

7. And when will he clothe the naked, feed the hungry, and walk on water?

((((WHEN?))))

[LakeSamish706]

9. Nope, thats not a good response. There are many things that should have been done in his first year

but have not. Nothing has changed from 2 to 3 weeks ago here on DU. Obama managed to get an HCR passed that was only good for the Insurance companies and no one else. He promised that he would not sign a bill that did not include a Public Option, but did sign it anyway.

I still have the question! How can anyone be charged with a crime and indicted well the Previous Administration is still walking around with out having been charged?

[FrenchieCat]

11. Since you ordered it.....

[LakeSamish706]

12. You lost me on that post! Why not tell me why I was wrong in what my post stated? n/t

[Fire1]

32. "There are many things that should have been done in his first

year but have not." According to who? By who's standards? I didn't know he was working according to your time table or anybody else's, for that matter. So what, if he didn't sign a bill with a public option! After all these many years, you're lucky you got anything at all! Does "this is just the beginning" mean anything to you people? Guess not and too bad.

[Cha]

38. Excellent!

[defendandprotect]

45. According to the needs of the people rather than according to corporations ...

According to the voters --

According to the tens of millions in this nation being hung out to dry by

the "evil" insurance companies.

We can believe "this is just a beginning" when we see something more positive

actually happening.

Meanwhile, it's a bill to bail out the insurance companies -- i.e. more bailout

of corrupt capitalism.

[Fire1]

54. I usually don't respond to 'talking points,' but you people are

disgusting. I don't care what you 'believe.' I'm just telling you you're lucky you got ANYTHING! Having an exchange with a variety of coverages from which to choose (competition) is hardly what any rational person would consider, "bailing out the insurance companies." You don't like 'free markets,' then MOVE to a socialist country, cause it AIN'T HAPPENING HERE! The sooner you wake up to that the better off you'll be and we won't have to listen to that tired rhetoric.

[defendandprotect]

57. What you're saying is go for the "lesser of evils" . . . which in the short and long run

makes no sense --

ONLY IF there are immediate improvements to this bill will it make any sense to have

done this --

Immediate improvements such as knocking insurance companies out -- or at least

regulating them up to their eyeballs.

Aha . . . you're a tea-bagger???

Government programs are "socialism" . . . Wow --

Fire, I knew you were to the right, but never imagined this far -- wow!

A corporatist, eh?

[defendandprotect]

58. And, need we remind you that Obama is a "servant of the people" . . . not of corporations ...!!

[butterfly77]

39. Why in the hell do you think he is suppose....

to do everything in the first year and on your timetable

Some have been jumping up with every damn issue that has been on hold for decades but didn't harp on their issues when repugs were in power. You want everything done ASAP.

Everytime he does something that the public thinks they know so much about he surprises the hell out of them STOP TRYING TO TELL HIM HOW TO DO HIS JOB BECAUSE IF YOU WERE IN HIS SITUATION YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE DOING SHIT!!!!

[The Hope Mobile]

42. + 1 nt

[Historic NY]

52. +2

[defendandprotect]

44. Agree . . .

Otoh, I've been 'recommending' these posts -- they seem to need them.

The only bright light in this HC deform that I can see is that it's an illusion

of a Dem "win" which somewhat demoralizes the right --

and by paying off the insurance companies so highly in their time of need, it

might have put a dent in some of their support for the GOP -- ????

Split the corporates? I don't know --

We're now stuck with them -- and the only question is when can we cut them off --

and set them adrift?

What Obama actually has in mind, I can't say --

I can guess at what Rahm has to say --

Overall, I doubt that they're thinking what I'm thinking but since this crap passed,

that's all I have at the moment. A last straw of hope?

[boppers]

26. If he doesn't raise the dead, it's because of his secret back-room deals...

...with the mortuary industry.

[Fire1]

33. For real. Debbie Downers, Inc. n/t

[liberation]

35. Wow, you guys are on a roll with the logical fallacies... so many straw men and red herrings

no wonder our farmland and oceans are so stressed with such industrial scale harvesting and fishing.

LOL

[defendandprotect]

59. Are you saying Obama didn't make secret deals with insurance/Big Pharma????

[defendandprotect]

48. Obama could start with a SUPERFUND for the unemployed . . .

and those losing their homes -- by taxing the elites/corporates who have

so outrageously profited from the trade agreements and tax cuts --


A SUPERFUND for the homeless and impoverished in America --

how often do we hear even Democrats mention them?

[defendandprotect]

46. The wars . . exactly -- the wars, the horror of them --

for the millions of innocent civilians -- and for our own troops --

all of which coincidentally is bankrupting the Treasury!

[tabatha]

8. Yeah, I remember the look Boehner gave him once

maybe at the Health Summit.

I don't think they can believe this guy.
And they don't know how to handle him.
Resulting in childish behavior.

[jillan]

10. November is looking better all the time!

[kestrel91316]

20. I think I read that President Obama was bullied as a child when he moved to

Indonesia. He obviously was taught how to deal with it appropriately and productively, and has carried that lesson with him into his adult life, rather than letting the experience become a force for evil.

So refreshing to have an ADULT in charge again......

[chieftain]

21. Amen !!!

[Cha]

43. Thank you for bringing that bit of history into

the discussion.

[Rage Inc.]

25. Ah, nah!

[opihimoimoi]

27. ADULT BULLIES bullying P Obama put themselves at risk of losing

The Evidence is before our eyes ...They tried...they lost...and now they act like 3 year spoiled kids denied ....throwing tantrums.,,.destroying thrashing .... talking stoopid...

The evidence is clear....with this state of collective minds: canardly spell right, how the hell can they be trusted to make good collective decisions?

At this snippet of time>>> the answer is NO we CANNOT

Pity...we could do so much more united...

[Whisp]

30. he gave them every chance to play nice

Many here scoffed at his 'bipartenship, reach across the aisle, too nice, too weak... yada fuckin yada' talks over the months.

No one can say he didn't try, although the media doesn't see it this way. Every effort was made - they didn't want to be part of it, so tough noogies.

Now he'll do what he thinks needs done without wasting time on those idiots. I'm sure he saw it this way all along.

They played their hand of Obstructionist party of No and will pay dearly for it because they not worth the time to listen to their shit.

It was a painful and long process, but ended up as well as could be considering all. Obama knows how to play this stuff,.

[demwing]

31. There are two issues

1. How well has Obama served the Democratic party over the Republican Party.

2. How well has he served the interests of the US and its citizens over the interests of corporations.

on #1, he has done quite well.

on #2, not so good.

Let's not confuse or exaggerate his success on #1 with his failure on #2. Of course, Obama may still prove to be that Chess Master we all thought he MIGHT be. Jury is still out, but all the evidence points to No.

Hope that changes...

[liberation]

34. Thank goodnes Obama wasn't bullied

I can't imagine how many more concessions he would have given to the GOP otherwise.

This whole episode reminds me of the guy who just lost all his teeth and his face is reduced to a bloody pulp, but still claims victory because he hurt the fist of his opponent when he hit it with his face. A supposedly unorthodox fighting style, along the lines of n-dimensional chess I guess.

But hey, if the whole charade makes people feel better. There is a value proposition after all... and in the end, that is what it is important... maybe.

[Cha]

36. Yes he gave them opportunity after opportunity

and they showed their derelict ass for all of history.

[Lorien]

40. Why would they disagree with anything that he's done?

So far he's just continued their policies and implemented a bill that they previously supported. Just goes to prove that few on either side pay any attention to policy and issues anymore. It's just loyalty to a "team" that's important.

[defendandprotect]

49. So sadly true . . .

[samsingh]

41. kick

[MindandSoul]

51. You are entirely right! Thank you for your clarity!

[OneGrassRoot]

53. Wish I could recommend. I can kick it though!

Thanks! :applause:

[ProgressOnTheMove]

55. Thank goodness for that, looks we'll turn the trend for midterms, brilliant.

[Phx_Dem]

56. They thought wrong. They don't know Obama.

Now they're finding out the hard way, Obama don't take shit.

[chollybocker]

60. Too late to Recommend

so kick.