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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 11:41 AM Original message |
"Kerry’s Office: Drilling Will Help Get 60 Votes For Climate Legislation" |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
1. Sort of like payoffs to the ins. industry and big pharma got all those Republican votes?? nt |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Are you referring to the new health care LAW? NT |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. I'm referring to all those Republican votes we got for selling out... |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. during the passage of the new LAW? NT |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 12:01 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Yeah, that shitty sellout law. Zero Republicans - but you keep ignoring that. nt |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. So you actually WANT Republican support? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 12:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
41. In your OP. Kerry is saying clearly that he hopes for at least one Repug vote. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. True - and he'll need more than that |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 05:16 PM Response to Reply #45 |
74. Then why is the author of the OP calling folks out on this point? |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #18 |
51. No, I want the president to stop selling out to corporate interests... |
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OhioBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 09:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
97. true - but we passed that the first time in the Senate when we had 60 |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #6 |
44. No, those deals were needed to get the 60 Democrats - |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 06:36 PM Response to Reply #44 |
89. Those industry deals were cut early on when the prez was very much courting Republicans. nt |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 06:27 PM Response to Reply #6 |
87. We were not really looking for Rethug votes on HCR, we were looking for Dem votes |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 06:37 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Maybe you've forgotten, but I haven't - see #89. nt |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
43. The dynamics here are completely different |
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ananda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
3. In bizarro lookingglass world.. |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Why didn't you listen to the President's speech this morning? |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
49. Not really here is a Daily Kos Diary that analyzes Obama's action |
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Webster Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
4. "winning over Republican support " |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Who said Democrats don't have a sense of humor. nt |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
5. Once again, there's more to what's going on behind the scenes |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Have you ever noticed..... |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 11:55 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. There will be outrage, no matter what the Pres does. |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
25. Ah, the "chess game" excuse. There's a new one. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 01:09 PM Response to Reply #25 |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #25 |
47. because he's stealing the republican's thunder.. |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. I'm sure the Iranian defector won't provide us any info for causus belli. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #25 |
52. Do you remember Obama supported this in the general election? |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. I don't question Kerry's green bona fides, but ... |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. I think this is actually harder than healthcare |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Thanks, interesting article. But why now? Why push this before midterms? |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. I think your last paragraph is on target |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. True, on this issue Kerry has the base covered. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 08:02 PM Response to Reply #70 |
92. Somehow the Obama administartion needs to convey the nuance they actually seem to have in this |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #5 |
46. is john kerry still "working behind the scenes" to ensure all those ohio ballots get counted? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-01-10 08:17 AM Response to Reply #46 |
113. Did Ohio Dem party get the vote count laws changed? |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
7. We haven't freed ourselves from the "60 vote" canard yet? |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #7 |
42. +1 |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. force the vote and force the DEMOCRATS to show themselves as obstructionists |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. Replace "Democrats" with "DLC" and I'd agree. |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. and i feel badly for those good dems.. |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 03:03 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Indeed. For all our vaunted talk of message discipline... |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #42 |
54. The Republicans will happily vote against it - as will many Democrats |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #7 |
53. Here it is no a "canard" |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
12. if this works, great. but we know the Republicans can't be trusted |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
14. But will it help solving global climate change? |
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GoCubsGo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. It will if... |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
57. Like you I like and respect Kerry, but as you say it depends on what is in the bill |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
16. How about we reform the filibuster rules... |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
17. and that Palin woman chimes in to reassure the "libs"... |
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GoCubsGo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. That made absolutely no sense whatsoever. |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. It was kinda Grassley-esque huh? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
33. If you remove the negative language, her and Boehner are probably correct... |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
20. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
22. It's not perfect, but it is a beginning and can be tweaked after it passes. |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
26. Good. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
27. Don't interfere with the nutso's |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
28. It's not that I disagree with Obama & Kerry on offshore drilling... |
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OhioBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 09:09 PM Response to Reply #28 |
98. that's what I thought too - seems kinda silly to give in early. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
29. Sooo..more freaking logic..can WE |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 10:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
107. Exactly. I, for one, am glad we have elected leadership... |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
30. Is Kerry back in his 2000-2004 Republican ass kissing mode? |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #30 |
60. Do you have a way that he can get 60 votes on a comprehensive |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 06:04 PM Response to Reply #60 |
82. *crickets* n/t |
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tabbycat31 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
32. I don't think it will |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Do you have any references that refer to endangering many of NJ Beaches? |
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tabbycat31 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. an article from today |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 09:36 PM Response to Reply #37 |
103. Thanks, n/t |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 03:11 PM Response to Reply #32 |
61. My guess is that Lautenberg will vote for the bill if it has |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #32 |
68. I've read that states' legislatures would have the final say.. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
34. Since that's asinine on its face... |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. ... |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
38. He'll get called a sellout corportist on this deal, but hope and Obama are right |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #38 |
69. President Obama and Senator Kerry have |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 06:05 PM Response to Reply #69 |
83. Bingo |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
39. Cap and trade is nothing but a gift to the banks. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #39 |
62. There is no cap and trade in the bill |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
40. How, why, and for what legislation? |
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CBR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
64. Any word on the alternative and green energy plans to be |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Oh Good! First I heard I heard of it..right |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
71. Looks like we are back to the failed '60 vote strategery' (sic) |
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Chisox08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
72. On what planet? |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 05:01 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Oh sure, our first 999 attempts at bipartisanship failed, but maybe THIS time! |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
75. "Obama Closes Loophole That Allowed Drilling In Rockies Without Environmental Review " |
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CBR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 05:41 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Good news. The President is relying on us to see |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 05:46 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. I'm glad it's you |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 05:50 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. ROTFLMAO |
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CBR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 05:55 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Reverting to the old canard I see... |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 06:09 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. Yes, and we should feel blessed the he is depending on us to be so deftly aware |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 06:13 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Chocolate rations were just raised! |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
80. Here we go again. |
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stranger81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
81. We must destroy the village in order to save it. n/t |
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greencharlie (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
86. I smell rats.... lots fo rats. nt |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
88. ha ha ha ha ha........ |
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catgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
91. This does not kick in for 10 or so years |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
93. destroy the environment to try to stop environmental destruction? |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
94. The statement from Kerry's office is far more ambiguous than Plum line's title |
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marlakay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 08:29 PM Response to Original message |
95. I can almost guarantee he won't get a single vote no matter what he does |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 08:54 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. the Plum line overstated the statement from Kerry's office |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 09:18 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. delete n/t |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
99. vulcan 3d chess |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 09:25 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. Re-read the op, this is PLUMLINE's conclusion - Kerry's office's statement |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 09:35 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. I was here, I held my nose |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 09:47 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. What Kerry proposed in Iraq was extremely different than what Bush was doing - in spite of what the |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 10:00 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. I agree that if Kerry got in he would have been more effective than Bush |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 11:32 PM Response to Reply #105 |
110. The point was we were at war - even Dean did not recommend leaving |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 11:39 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. I did prefer Dean's speeches on the war |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-01-10 08:17 AM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Wow, I'm impressed you still have a Kerry/Edwards sign on your lawn |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-01-10 09:59 AM Response to Reply #112 |
114. Its on my wall not my Lawn :) |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
106. Horsetrading? |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
108. No more climate change concerns? |
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craigmatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-31-10 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
109. Yeah right as if the repubs will cooperate with Obama if he gives them a concession |
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