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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 04:48 AM Original message |
Eugene Robinson: The Confederacy Isn’t Something to Be Proud Of |
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democrank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 04:54 AM Response to Original message |
1. K & R |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
26. Isn't it amazing? |
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tblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. How can you claim to love America and want to enslave Americans? |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 10:00 PM Response to Reply #26 |
66. They did vote their conscience |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 11:04 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. What is the population of active voters in Mississipppi? |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #74 |
100. In 2008, the voting age population was 2,109,000 |
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ccharles000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 05:18 AM Response to Original message |
2. k/r |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 05:22 AM Response to Original message |
3. I was thinking the same thing....for a while now. |
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JohnnyBoots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 08:29 AM Response to Reply #3 |
12. The attack on Fort Sumter would today be considered an act of domestic terrorism. |
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greencharlie (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
42. 600,000 AMERICANS died... |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. That's the thing about wars - once people die it's hard to say who 'won' |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
49. You don't see Germany or Japan celebrating "We Lost!! Woohoo! Day |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 05:34 AM Response to Original message |
4. and yet they wonder why they get 9 percent of the "black" vote ... |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 05:37 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. They call those House ______________ |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 05:54 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. maybe they're all the n*****s that the GOP can |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 06:00 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Doesn't really matter what they think. |
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mrdmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 03:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
41. There is a problem, a major problem, open rebellion with fire arms is not to be taken lightly |
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political_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 07:11 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. +1000 eom |
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political_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 06:51 AM Response to Original message |
8. Mr. Robinson hit it out of the park. |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #8 |
31. People romanticize the Confederacy by viewing it in rose-colored lenses. |
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greencharlie (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #31 |
45. well... |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 05:46 PM Response to Reply #45 |
56. Had your scenario played itself out |
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greencharlie (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 06:38 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. agreed... |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 10:38 PM Response to Reply #61 |
70. LMAO! |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 08:36 AM Response to Reply #70 |
93. In a lot of ways, many blacks weren't free until the modern Civil Rights Era. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 06:01 PM Response to Reply #93 |
103. That is a fact! nt |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 02:31 AM Response to Reply #61 |
80. LOL, 10 years? |
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greencharlie (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 11:54 AM Response to Reply #80 |
99. please let me explain. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 03:13 AM Response to Reply #99 |
104. But the Confederacy was willing |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 05:52 AM Response to Reply #99 |
105. The glaring assumption is that ending "paper slavery" would have fixed the problem. |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #31 |
47. They did not know NJ's slave history, or slave trade was New England |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 06:22 PM Response to Reply #47 |
60. One can't defend the indefensible whether north or south. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 08:37 AM Response to Reply #47 |
94. If you want to bring up slavery in the North, you're also going to |
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The_Commonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #31 |
52. Ocean City New Jersey... |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 07:34 AM Response to Original message |
10. With a few sentences Eugene Robinson blows the smarmy Governor Barbour |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 08:27 AM Response to Original message |
11. Barbour should be ashamed, but right-wing blowhards like him have no shame... |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
13. Gov. Bob McDonnell and Gov. Haley Barbour |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
14. Barbour ought to be concerned about raising his states rankings from dead last. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 11:14 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Rec your post, too. |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 11:24 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Thank you I had a cousin just die there, she should have stayed in Florida.... |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Sorry, it's an insane world where those who |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #14 |
33. Mississippi got back $2.02 in federal spending for every dollar paid in federal taxes in 2005. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
15. What is crazy is this even needs to be said at all. We are debating the acts of the Confederacy |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 10:41 PM Response to Reply #15 |
71. The right wing is trying to rewrite |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 11:20 PM Response to Reply #15 |
76. yeah, states' rights to own people nt |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
16. Leave it to haley barbour to open his ugly |
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marew (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
20. Heard Nicholas Kristof speak last week. |
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blueworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
21. Very true, but it's also no excuse for endless south bashing. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Mr. Robinson isn't a "white Northerner" and you clearly did not read his piece at all. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. the knee jerk conflation of "confederate bashing" wtih "south bashing" |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #22 |
34. This bludgeoning is self inflicted. |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 11:07 PM Response to Reply #34 |
75. need to fact check yourself |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 02:43 AM Response to Reply #75 |
81. Closer, but wrong. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 01:32 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. what is it about Robinson's article that you take exception to? |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. His white northerner attitude, I guess. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. ha! |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #25 |
46. I don't "see" the attitude to which you're referring and I DID read |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. The poster to which I was referring to said that the article had a "white Northerner" attitude |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 05:46 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. Glad I asked. Gotcha. n/t |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 01:29 AM Response to Reply #25 |
78. LOL |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 02:50 AM Response to Reply #21 |
82. so you're the one who just equated the South with the Confederacy. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
23. Well-said, Mr. Robinson. KnR. |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
28. Those fucking losers are just plain sick. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
30. Amen!!! |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
35. Let alone "CELEBRATE." Thank you, Mr. Robinson!!! n/t |
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my2sense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
36. +1 |
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riverwalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
37. Sons of the Union |
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marew (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 03:02 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. One of my direct ancestors died for the Union |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
39. regardless of what anyone says - the civil war ultimately is about the enslaving of a race, and |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Correction: The CAPTURE and "enslavement of a race...." n/t |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 05:04 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. exactly - even worse! |
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quiet.american (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
40. My God, that photo puts things in perspective. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 05:40 PM Response to Reply #40 |
54. That man walked across the lines to fight for the Union. Before |
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quiet.american (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 09:55 PM Response to Reply #54 |
65. Thank you for the additional info. I'll definitely look it up. nt |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 10:29 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Harper's, July 4, 1863 n/t |
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quiet.american (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 10:53 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. 'Preciate it. nt |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
43. I agree! My ancestor was a bugler in the CW. At least 618,000 died of which 360,222 were Union. |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
48. I guess that depends on where you are from and what color your skin is |
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SemperEadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
55. treasonous traitors are no heros or patriots |
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lefty2000 (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
58. Reminds me of William Faulkner Quote |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
59. "many people will not look at it except through a gauze of Spanish moss." |
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paparush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
62. Around my parts, there's a bumper sticker you see every once in a while- |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 02:54 AM Response to Reply #62 |
84. How about "If you think this was the confederate flag, you need a history lesson". |
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Grand Taurean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
63. The only "states rights" that the Confederate were interested |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 10:09 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. This was probably true for rich Southerners... |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 02:54 AM Response to Reply #68 |
83. poor southerners fought to own slaves, too. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 04:44 AM Response to Reply #83 |
87. Similar to the way many people fight tax increases for the top 1% even though they themselves are |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 09:11 AM Response to Reply #83 |
96. Interesting assertion. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 09:30 AM Response to Reply #96 |
98. I agree that it's likely not true. The poorer Southerners likely |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
64. K&R n/t |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
67. It's a harsh issue. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
73. Here's to Eugene |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
77. oh great |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 01:31 AM Response to Original message |
79. neither is what was done to the American Indians.eom |
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Dank Nugs (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 03:20 AM Response to Original message |
85. No, Slavery was not this nation's original sin. Genocide was. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 04:41 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Yeah, you clearly couldn't be arsed to read the harrowing page of text Robinson wrote |
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Dank Nugs (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 04:53 AM Response to Reply #86 |
88. No, It was a war of economic systems / states rights; slavery was just the catalyst. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 04:55 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Yeah, sure it was. That's why the Declarations of Secession all said "This war is about slavery!" |
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Dank Nugs (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 05:03 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. If you could just quote the relevant passage.. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 05:16 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Read them yourself. Here: |
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Dank Nugs (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 06:15 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Argumentum Ad Ignorantiam. You need to qualify your arguement. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
95. When Southern governors praise the Confederacy, they're glossing over a lot of their own history. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
97. Great article. The whole topic is an odd one in the South. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
101. It was a sin. |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-14-10 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
102. What if we made the South celebrated Confederate History Month by letting blacks buy, beat, rape... |
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Brewman_Jax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-15-10 07:15 AM Response to Original message |
106. Here are their own words |
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