This is a lie.

[arcadian]

"the American people were viciously attacked from Afghanistan,"

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/full-transcript-president-obamas-speech-afghanistan-delivered-west/story?id=9220661&page=3

[Skittles]

1. yes it is

and what makes it worse is Obama knows god damn well it is a fucking lie

[PBS Poll-435]

2. The difference between "from" and "by"

Is a thin one, but I wouldn't call it a lie.

[Oregone]

8. They were attacked "from" America really

So its probably a lie.

[Ken Burch]

29. We weren't attacked "by" Afghanistan, either.

The Afghan people weren't responsible for what the Al Qaida or even the Taliban got up to.

[PBS Poll-435]

33. Obviously, Genius.

But I think it is commonly accepted that the plans 9/11 attacks were drafted and practiced by Al Qaeda with passive acceptance by the Taliban in Afghanistan.


If the planning and coordination of the 9/11 attacks occurred by bin Ladin in Afghanistan, then it really isn't a stretch to say that the attacks came from Afghanistan rather than by Afghanistan.

[Ken Burch]

40. In any case, they don't justify attacks ON Afghanistan

Only the Taliban and AQ themselves merit actual attack, if finding AQ is even possible.

[windbreeze]

49. Is someone finally admitting that it wasn't

Iraq/Saddam or 19 mysterious Arabs from SA with boxcutters that attacked us?...but, OMG...the Taliban...who were in charge in AFGHANISTAN at that time??? I recall hearing nothing but OBL/Taliban when it first happened....it was months later when the Taliban morphed into something known as Al Quaida...and then we no longer heard the word Taliban...I asked many times for someone to explain how that name change came about...but no one ever did(other than hearing how AQ was an agency group)...wb

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[goldcanyonaz]

4. The majority of Americans will support this in the coming days.

[arcadian]

5. Not likely

[goldcanyonaz]

27. Not likely here, yes you're right.. But, the majority of voters will

[ruggerson]

11. the majority of Americans don't believe in evolution

n/t

[IndianaGreen]

15. I saw a man's footprint next to that of a dinosaur

saith Saint Sarah.

Americans think Afghanistan and Iran are in the Middle East.

[cherokeeprogressive]

47. You're daft.

[DJ13]

6. Its obvious someone is pulling Obama's strings now

He is smart, he knows better than this.

Someone is forcing him to keep this going.

[avalonofmists]

36. you saying he can not think for himself??

[avaistheone1]

7. True.

The first casualty of war is truth.

And Obama got off to a good start with that. 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11

[IndianaGreen]

14. Obama: a noun, and a verb and 9/11,

Did Rudy write that part of the speech?

[avaistheone1]

19. I was thinking the same thing.

Hey don'tlaugh he could turn up in Obama's admin someday.


:puke: :puke:

[IndianaGreen]

22. Why not have Rudy in the Obama Administration? Obama hired Dana Perino

as dumb a blonde as you can get.

[xiamiam]

9. outright lie and he knows it...i was shocked..quite a history lesson

with shaky facts..unbelievable

[IndianaGreen]

10. It was the same lie from the previous Administration

Vietnamization with a turban!

[VMI Dem]

12. War Obama!

[undeterred]

13. The people on flight 93 saved us from even worse on 911

The people on flight 93 probably got shot down by our own military and he knows it.

[grasswire]

43. that ticked me off, too

the perpetuation of that coverup is unforgiveable.

[Odin2005]

16. No it's not.

AQ was based in Afghanistan and was coddled by the Taliban.

[IndianaGreen]

17. The plot was hatched in Hamburg, Germany

and there wasn't a single Pashtun among the hijackers.

[Odin2005]

20. So?

AQ was based in Afghanistan.

[IndianaGreen]

24. In how many countries is Al-Qaeda?

Hint: is more than 2...

[Odin2005]

28. Were was AQ based.

Hint: it starts with Af- and ends in -stan.

[IndianaGreen]

31. Where is bin Laden now?

Hint: starts with a Pa- and ends in -stan.

[Odin2005]

34. And if his Taliban protectors retake control of Afghanistan he'll go back.

[IndianaGreen]

41. Karzai doesn't control Afghanistan. No one ever has!

Not even the Taliban ever controlled the whole of the country.

[Sebastian Doyle]

18. AQ was founded in Langley Virginia

By an asshole from Connecticut who pretends to be a Texan and now lives in Maine.

[Odin2005]

21. Oh look, a conspiracy nut.

[IndianaGreen]

23. bin Laden got CIA money and weapons

to fight the Russians. Yep, we had a hand in creating Al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

Blowback!

[Odin2005]

25. Ah, so we are all "Little Eichmanns" and deserve to be attacked by terrorists? Gotcha!

:puke:

[PVnRT]

56. Nice leap there

Certainly better than acknowledging that you were wrong about blowback.

[SKKY]

26. So did Pol Pot. What's your point.

[PVnRT]

55. Eh?

Ummm, Pol Pot was a vicious thug as well. Few people here would even consider defending that lunatic.

[Sebastian Doyle]

30. So you deny that the hijackers were trained at a Florida flight school

owned by CIA agents Wally Hilliard and Rudi Dekkers, both of whom were close friends of Jeb Bush?

[Odin2005]

32. And that proves nothing.

[windbreeze]

50. you ever check out Operation Northwoods?

read that little plan...and pay attention to who hatched it...if nothing else could convince you that conspiracies are more than possible...that should...or how about the PNAC white paper published for the first time in 1997 calling for a "New Pearl Harbor" and less than 4 yrs later it happened....Conspiracies will continue as long as there are those who suspect we've not been told the truth..Thank God they do, because it means someone will be searching for the truth....wb

[PBS Poll-435]

35. At least it wasn't the DLC

Then we would have had real problems.

[Sebastian Doyle]

37. Maybe not the entire DLC?

But DLC founder Will Marshall signed a number of PNAC documents. And their favorite senator, Joe Lieberdouche has been the #1 fan of any neocon war agenda.

[earth mom]

38. People don't want to hear the truth on GD-P.

But I'm glad you posted this anyway. :thumbsup:

[applegrove]

39. Do you not believe 9/11 was al Qaida? They were in Afghanistan.

I don't get what you mean?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

42. That's right.

The miniature nukes which brought down the WTC were built in Switzerland. Only they have the tiny little clockworking tools to build such devices.

[PurityOfEssence]

44. One of the cells was from San Diego; we should have bombed La Mesa

if we really meant business...

[oneplanet]

45. You remind me of what the Repug said at the SOTU address.

Un'reced...

[grantcart]

46. Obama is correct, you are wrong and the Taliban have admitted to their part in it.

The attacks on September 11th 2001 were intrinsically integrated to the ongoing civil war in Afghanistan. The first casualty of the September 11th operation in fact were Afghanis.

Anticipating that the US would engage the Northern Alliance as an ally to seek retribution against Al Queda and the Taliban Osama bin Ladin initiated the 9/11 with a premptory assassination of Ahmad Shan Massood, the "Lion of Panjshir".


http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-09-10-afghan-assassination_x.htm

Five years after the Taliban opponent was slain by a bomb hidden in the camera, a former Taliban official on Saturday described how al-Qaeda staged the killing — two days before the Sept. 11 attack on America — hoping to strike a fatal blow to the pro-U.S. Northern Alliance.

Waheed Mozhdah, director of the then-Taliban Foreign Ministry's Middle East and Africa department, also showed the Associated Press a copy of what he said was a signed letter dated Sept. 13, 2001, from bin Laden to Taliban leader Mullah Omar, urging him to launch an offensive against the alliance.

In the letter, written in Arabic, bin Laden said that if America failed to respond to the Sept. 11 attacks, it would decline as a superpower. But if the U.S. started fighting, he added, its economy would suffer a major blow and it would face the same destiny as the Soviet Union — whose ill-fated 1980s occupation of Afghanistan heralded its disintegration.

. . .


The Arabs, known to Mozhdah only as Karim and Arbet, subsequently had the camera while purportedly taping an interview with Taliban Foreign Minister Abdul Wakil Mutawakil but never gave a requested copy to him, he said.

Mozhdah said the Arabs later met with bin Laden, top deputy Ayman al-Zawahri and Mullah Omar, who gave them a warm send-off before they flew to Kabul. There, he said, the Foreign Ministry gave them a letter of permission to cross the front line into Northern Alliance-held territory in the Panjshir Valley, Massood's domain north of the capital.




The attacks on 9/11 were part of a larger strategy that involved the Taliban gaining complete control of Afghanistan. The Taliban and Al Queda have never made an effort to hid the fact and in fact use it as a point to recruit foriegn fighters to Afghanistan. These facts, supported by witnesses, the body of Massood, the elevation of Karim and Arbet to sainthood in Al Queda, the ongoing propoganda to recruit foreign fighters to the Taliban are all well established and completely uncontested anywhere else but here on DU where history can be re written to support a political point of view.

[cliffordu]

48. ....And there ya go.

For a bunch of people who claim to know about history, the memories around here are really fucking short....

Fuck me grantcart....What have you been drinking???

[boppers]

53. Memories are crap.

That's why I use logs and recorded historical documents. Turns out that most BS and conspiracy theories can be refuted simply by looking into archives, regardless of a narrative offered up that says things to the contrary.

[boppers]

52. Your facts have some errors.

"The attacks on 9/11 were part of a larger strategy that involved the Taliban gaining complete control of Afghanistan. The Taliban and Al Queda have never made an effort to hid the fact and in fact use it as a point to recruit foriegn fighters to Afghanistan."

Wrong. Check the archives. (Isn't the internet grand?) For example, from 9/12/2001:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010911211028/www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/central/09/11/afghan.taliban/index.html

The Taliban government was against the attacks, it was post-9/11 propaganda that conflated the two into being the same thing, in order to justify attacking the Taliban, as a way of striking Al Queda.

[grantcart]

54. So you don't believe statements made by the US government

but any self serving slop by the Taliban is taken as delivered by God.

How gullible you are.


Oh yes and Lindbergh had such good things to say about the third Reich.


Here is a news flash the Taliban is against summary executions.



Just because you are against the War in Afghanistan doesn't mean that you have to shut off your ability to think independently.


The facts are that Massood was assisinated 48 hours and the camera that was used in the assassination was traced to the joint Taliban/AQ office in Khandihar. Both the Taliban and AQ take responsibility and boast about the operation.

[boppers]

57. I'm not taking the issue with the US government.

"Taliban and Al Queda have never made an effort to hid the fact" is your assertion.

It's wrong.

That's what happens when generalities like "never" are used inappropriately.

[EFerrari]

59. I have to say that it surprises me that you continue to conflate

Al Qaida with the Taliban. The Taliban wanted to control Afghanistan. New York was nowhere in their plan.

[Unvanguard]

51. There was dishonesty in his speech, but that was not it. n/t

[EFerrari]

58. And that's just the B list.

"For unlike the great powers of old, we have not sought world domination. Our union was founded in resistance to oppression. We do not seek to occupy other nations. We will not claim another nation's resources or target other peoples because their faith or ethnicity is different from ours. What we have fought for -- what we continue to fight for -- is a better future for our children and grandchildren. And we believe that their lives will be better if other peoples' children and grandchildren can live in freedom and access opportunity. (Applause.) "


"And we must make it clear to every man, woman and child around the world who lives under the dark cloud of tyranny that America will speak out on behalf of their human rights, and tend to the light of freedom and justice and opportunity and respect for the dignity of all peoples. That is who we are. That is the source, the moral source, of America's authority. "

I'm so glad America authority made it out of that speech intact. The planet can now continue to spin in its greased grooves.

Sometimes, I think we are unteachable.