We got us a withdrawal Plan out of Afghanistan! Fuckin' A!

[FrenchieCat]

We didn't have one before,
and we've got one now!

:headbang:

[tabatha]

1. Cancelled another unrec.

[FrenchieCat]

3. Guess that's a Republican that didn't want a withdrawal plan......

:shrug:

[ShortnFiery]

5. Yes, anyone who doesn't hang on every word President Obama says ...

and treasure it as "the word of GOD" is obviously A Republican Plant. :eyes:

[FrenchieCat]

or a very lonely person?

[ShortnFiery]

9. Wow! Is that the best you can throw at me?

Now that's what's truly sad. :(

[FrenchieCat]

12. You are not alone.

[Teaser]

48. I could throw worse at you, but I need some information first.

what is your worst facial feature?

Also, what topics tended to make you cry in high school? (assuming this is not the same as above)

Thanks for your help. I'll do my best to craft a really fine insult.

[ShortnFiery]

2. Anyone who has ever studied Military Science KNOWS that you can't rely

on exit plan time tables.

From the moment you begin operations, you must remain flexible because so many variables will change throughout.

No, we don't REALLY have a sound withdrawal plan because we don't HAVE A CLUE what the situation will be in a few years.

[FrenchieCat]

4. We have a withdrawal plan......

perhaps you don't believe it,
but it is still there.

[ShortnFiery]

8. It won't mean SQUAT three years from now as the situation will be completely different

than we could surmise RIGHT NOW. Even if things go "rather well" ... no, FC, we don't have An Exit Plan.

[tridim]

10. Are you psychic?

Because I'd really like to know how you can see three years into the future.

[knightinwhitesatin]

35. I'm sure all

the Americans that die between now and the START of the exit plan in july 2011 are so happy that the START of the exit plan is only 1.5 years away. 580 days before the withdrawal starts, I bet the families of dead american military people between now will be jumping for joy.

[tridim]

6. It's great news! Big picture type news.

I'm starting to think that lots of people are still stuck in Bush-mode.. War and terra as far as the eye can see.

"Bring it on" is no longer in effect. We're getting out.

[FrenchieCat]

15. For the most part, folks come here to voice their Unhappiness

except for a few of us, who stay to gauge the progress of what we worked hard
to achieve. It's a different mentality.....and apparently may be like oil and vinegar.

[Cha]

7. Yeah, we do..I don't care

how they try and deny it.

[Clio the Leo]

11. lol, I adore you Frenchie.

I mean if I weren't ALREADY employed as someone else's cheerleader..... ;)

[Odin2005]

13. LOL, K&R

[IndianaGreen]

14. Except that the people of Afghanistan haven't been consulted.

We are still the foreign occupiers!

[jeanpalmer]

16. I think what we got was an open-ended escalation

He said "after 18 months, our troops will begin to come home." He didn't say when all our troops would come home. Just that they would start coming home in 18 months. The important part is how many, at what rate, and when will all of them be out. He could send 30,000 now, and withdraw 2,000 of them over years, based on what he said tonight.

I was looking for something more specific like "we'll be completely out of Afghanistan by 2012." Instead, the commitment remained completely open-ended. And purposely so because under Obama we're never leaving.

[FrenchieCat]

17. We will be leaving.

period.

Better than an Open ended War on Terror.

but go ahead and make your dire prediction,
cause that's what you do.

[jeanpalmer]

22. I'm just going on what he told us

He never mentioned withdrawal plan, as in "complete withdrawal." He merely said that after 18 months an unspecified number of soldiers will be coming home. He was purposely vague on that point, seems to me, because he is not inclined to set a definite withdrawal date. He had the opportunity tonight to do so, but didn't.

It would have been enlightening to let us know how he came up with the 18 month time period. What's it based on? If the facts on the ground are bad or worse in 18 months, will troops still be coming home? How could he risk that -- withdrawing troops while the strategic position is still bad? If he plans to disregard the facts on the ground in 18 months and remove troops regardless, why not do that now, save the money and the lives? The 18 month figure seems like an arbitrary number based on God knows what. Could it be politics and the election? 18 months would mean troops coming home in the 12 months leading up to the election.

[rhett o rick]

18. We got escalation is what we got. And a weak promise to exit. nt

[bigjohn16]

19. Exiting through the entrance. nt

[avaistheone1]

20. I am sure the Taliban will fold when they get the news of the exit plan.

Then Obama can adorn himself with the Bush cod piece, and declare Mission Accomplished. :patriot:

I fully expect there will be money and resources for a pony in every American home after that.

Wow! an exit plan I bet the Soviets never thought of that. :woohoo: :woohoo:



:sarcasm:

[FrenchieCat]

23. They can sit it out, while we make the Afghans stronger.

I think that's great.

As for the Cod Piece,
I don't think he's doing it for ego.....
he's doing this because he must.

But hey......go ahead, person who knows everything.

[burning rain]

21. That's the least, & at the same time the most, one can say for escalation.

It's a damn shame.

[FrenchieCat]

26. Making a fucked up situation go from never ending war on terror

to a withdrawal date starting in 18 months I think is a stark difference...

and is far from a damn shame, it's actually priceless.

[burning rain]

36. I welcome that part, but oppose sending in more ground forces.

That the premise behind what I posted.

[arcadian]

24. War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength

[FrenchieCat]

31. Withdrawal in sight, means end, finished, finally.

[arcadian]

49. Withdrawal by sending tens of thousands of additional troops.

Again I point to the above quote I posted earlier.

[Orsino]

51. It means a postponement of end-finished-finally.

It means we still haven't reached a point where we can leave.

[phleshdef]

32. You sound just as stupid, ignoring a withdrawal plan so you can pretend its war without end.

[harkadog]

25. LBJ always had withdrawal plans as he poured more and more bodies into Vietnam.

[Better Believe It]

27. Yes indeed. The secret is to send 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan!

And in about a year and a half some of them will be sent home.

How many?

Well, it could be in the hundreds or even a few thousand if the war escalation goes very well.

[CrispyQ]

53. And how many, during that year & a half, will come home in one of these?

[TexasObserver]

28. FAIL. Unrecommended.

[HughMoran]

29. Scooby?

??

[FrenchieCat]

30. That's like disapproving but not saying anything.

Never ending war on terror vs. 18 month to withdrawal

sounds like he failed to live down to your expectations.

[TexasObserver]

34. That's not what's it like. That's what it is.

Because of all the carping about Unrecommend by those who insist one should have to POST a reply if one Unrecommends, I'm satisfying that complaint.

Of course, those who insist they must know are seldom satisfied with knowing, are they?

Do you really need it explained to you?

[PM Martin]

33. C.O.P

[lamp_shade]

37. That's how I read his speech.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

38. Ingenious parody.

[cornermouse]

39. Just pointing out the obvious to the oblivious.

When you leave, all that's necessary is to pack up your belongings and walk out the door with them. When you choose to bring in more belongings that's called moving in or escalation.

[CTLawGuy]

44. perhaps its called

speeding up what you are doing so you can get done faster and thereby leave faster.

[cornermouse]

46. Bottom line is

you don't need a plan. You just pack up and go. It doesn't take 18 months to do that. End result will be the same. We might as well save lives by just cutting it short and getting out.

[pecwae]

40. Need to find the door first. nt

[cornermouse]

42. You have trouble finding a door?

I don't.

[dbmk]

41. This is the main reaction from the left here in Denmark

That they are happy about there being a date.
Even among those opposed to the war in general.

[CTLawGuy]

45. I'm glad somewhere

the left has some sense.

[arcadian]

50. link?

[CTLawGuy]

43. Much better

than GW "exit strategies embolden the enemy because then they'll just wait until we leave" Bush.

[R. P. McMurphy]

47. k & r n/t

[ItNerd4life]

52. It's scary that so many on DU don't understand what a plan is.

They think leaving Afganistan is a plan. Stabilizing Afghanistan so it can govern itself is a very worthy goal.

[FailingParachute]

54. Is this anything like the "single payer" plan?

Or the "public option" plan?

Or the "bailout "plan?

I'll bet it's even better, huh?

I mean, everyone knows that war timetables are etched in stone, and nothing ever pushes their timetables past their original dates.

Heck, I'm sure when 2011 rolls around Afghanistan will just shrug its collective shoulders and say - "OK, time to go!"

Even blind faith has limits.

Doesn't it???

[Onlooker]

55. This is the withdrawal plan: Kill as many people as quickly as possible and then get out n/t

[tekisui]

56. Gates has already said it won't be met.