I do not understand the consternation on presidents decision to add 30k troops to Afghanistan

[Garam_Masala]

Candidate Obama repeatedly said Iraq was the wrong war and Afghanistan was the right war.
( I agreed with him then and agree with him now)
He is now fulfilling his campaign promise! If you voted for him, you agreed with his agenda.
You want him to go back on his campaign promises?

But my main problem is where is the outrage for world wide deployment of US troops where they
are neither needed or justified. In some countries the troops remain after hostilities have
ended for over 65 years!

This drain on US Treasury is hurting taking care of needy right here in good ole USA.
We just had a $1.4 TRILLION budget deficit. We can not afford worldwide deployment of troops.

Countries where US troops are STILL deployed:

Germany
Japan
Korea
United Kingdom
France
Philippines
Italy
Panama
Thailand
Spain
Poland
Turkey
Canada
Cuba (Gitmo)
Iceland
Taiwan
Morocco
Greece
Saudi Arabia
Bermuda

[Skittles]

1. are you really that stupid?

"if you voted for him, you agreed with his agenda" - uh, FUCK no that is NOT TRUE. Unless one is a certified goose-steppping BOT it's highly unlikely a person would agree with an ENTIRE AGENDA. And MANY people voted AGAINST BUSH.

[Garam_Masala]

7. By following up on his campaign promises, president is

simply proving that he is a man of his word. I see no reason to jump on his throat.

[Skittles]

15. if he's wrong, he's wrong

doesn't matter what he fucking PROMISED

[Bodhi BloodWave]

47. so yer mindset is: Obama should keep the promises i like, and *bleep* any i don't? n/t

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[Garam_Masala]

21. Are you serious in comparing Hitler's agenda with our president's?

In words of John McEnroe "YOU CAN"T BE SERIOUS"

[jeanpalmer]

33. And you can't be serious

that being true to your word is all that counts.

[Moochy]

41. there's an agenda for sure

typically DU, a disquieting pro-war sockparade.

[msallied]

25. Wow. *hands you a bag of Lipton*

Nicely played.

[dionysus]

62. LOL

:rofl: he's teh hitler!11!!

[Cha]

35. "hitler"? Really..Stupid comparison but that doesn't the freaking know it alls.

[kenny blankenship]

53. Yes, this is the "elected dictator" theory of government, newly popular hereabouts

tromp tromp tromp tromp tromp nice even rows now! Eyes front!

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[valerief]

3. Liberals don't like war. nt

[Sarah Ibarruri]

5. Liberals don't attack liberals unless they're not really liberals nt

[valerief]

11. Oh, good heavens, you're a real ... I won't say it. You wouldn't understand it. nt

[Sarah Ibarruri]

14. Did you already rest? Wow, you're quick! nt

[avaistheone1]

58. You are sounding like this is your first day on the board.

From you posts I can see that you are not.

Haven't you noticed we disagree all the time. That is what happens in a democracy especially among liberals because we tend to believe in freedom of thought.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

59. If it were, I wouldn't reallize that it's the same handful posting the same, anti-lib comments

Would I?

[avaistheone1]

63. I don't know any more.

Hard to tell. There are many suffering amnesia overy the last few days around here.

[PVnRT]

60. Explain how escalating a war is "liberal"

I'll wait to hear your typical ad-hominem non-response, which is all you're really capable of.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

65. No, they don't.

But smart liberals know it's sometimes necessary.

[ShortnFiery]

10. Wrong! Not everyone who disagrees with the troop escalation and also voted

for Obama are "republicans" ... Many of us believed now that al Qaeda (the REAL group who attacked us on 9/11) returned to Pakistan, that Obama would have our troops come home. The Taliban had NOTHING to do with 9/11.

We didn't plan on MISSION CREEP: al Qaeda, an international decentralized group, MORPHS into the Taliban, local tribes in the area.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

12. Oh I wouldn't exactly agree. I think anyone who spends his time attacking liberals and Democrats...

is neither a liberal nor a Democrat. Period.

[ShortnFiery]

16. You're so judgmental ... JUDGING others here. How IRONIC!

:rofl:

[Sarah Ibarruri]

19. Oy vey! And you're showing a very mature side aren't you? nt

[harkadog]

39. Was LBJ a liberal or a Democrat?

What were the people attacking him?

[Lost-in-FL]

4. You forgot Poland!!

:yoiks:

[Garam_Masala]

8. Thanks...I will edit my list eom

[FrenchieCat]

6. Hell Afghanistan was fine as the status quo here at DU,

until Obama decided to bring us a withdrawal plan....

then all bets were off.

Weird.

[Oregone]

9. "If you voted for him, you agreed with his agenda" - Or you disagreed with the alternative more

The only solution is to not vote in this scenario. Is that what you recommend?

[Garam_Masala]

13. Nope...I want you to praise him for fulfilling his words eom

[ShortnFiery]

17. Yes, escalating the troop strength in a country where, our enemy, al Qaeda has already fled from

Yeah, that's real genius. :crazy:

[Garam_Masala]

27. It is very strategic move...let me try and explain

The real danger is in Pakistan.
Bin laden is hiding in Pakistan. So is Jawahiri. And their merry band of Al Qaeda.
Pakistan has 100 nukes ALREADY. Iran has none at this time.
Pakistan has a high percentage of population with sympathy for Al Qaeda.

But the president can NOT send troops into Pakistan. Every one knows that will
topple the weak government followed by takeover by extremists.

However by keeping US troops in Kandahar region of Afghanistan, the military is
as close to the lawless border provinces in Pakistan as is practical.
That is the only way our military can stage attacks on the bad guys.

[Oregone]

26. But I don't agree with his words. I disagreed more with the other choice

Why should I praise the lesser of two evils? Thats absurd

[Moochy]

30. Thats how obedient followers boost their beloved leader!!!1111

declare loyalty to booster our beloved leader's standing!!!111

[Mojambo]

20. "If you voted for him, you agreed with his agenda."

Complete nonsense.

[Garam_Masala]

22. OK I will grant you did not agree 100%

But you have to take the good with the bad. My main point is
did you jump on his throat as viciously during the campaign?
If not why now???

[Mojambo]

23. I'm not jumping on his throat viciously now.

He's just flat out wrong on this. He was wrong then too.

Gonna cost a lot of people their lives for no good reason.

I will jump on his throat a little about wringing 9/11 to sell his escalation though. Didn't like it when Bush did it. Don't like it now.

[Garam_Masala]

24. Only time will tell

This surge in Afghanistan will either fail or succeed. No one can predict
accurately, any more than any one could predict the surge in Iraq.

I say, give the president a chance. At least he has a time limit on commitment
and an exit strategy.

[Mojambo]

29. Well, we hardly have a choice.

This is gonna happen.

I'll be interested to see how opinions change should the withdrawal start getting pushed back. I'd like to think that that won't happen, but I think it's entirely likely.

The 9/11 stuff still made me feel sick.

[Moochy]

28. Rather Utilitarian of you to advocate that the US abandon the cold war in favor

of the hot war that affects India's neighbor adversely.

[Garam_Masala]

31. How do you know the Pakistani gov't is against this move?

It is in the interest of Pakistan's present government to keep the
religious extremists from getting stronger. Since our military can not
openly build bases in Pakistan, the next best thing is to set up
military strength right on Pakistan's border.

[Moochy]

32. At least you don't advocate for nuking afganistan

unlike some of your fellow war boosters.

[Garam_Masala]

34. I am not a war booster!

Wars are expensive in blood and treasure.

I still remember what general Eisenhower said about wars after WWII was over.
That wars are brutal & senseless. But evil exists and has to be fought with.

[Moochy]

36. Afghanistan War Supporter

as neutral as i can get. What about Saudia Arabia?

Oh that's right I forgot, Bandar Bush still has the hotline to the Cheney's Underground Lair..

[Garam_Masala]

37. Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is extremely brutal

in dealing with Al Qaeda. Bin Laden won't dare set foot there even though
he is a Saudi. So in essence, Saudi Arabia is not supporting Al Qaeda style
activities. Neither have they invaded any neighboring country.

Therefore we do not need to invade that country.

I realize fully that women have a 2nd class status there and Wahabism
is alive and well there. Which indirectly hurts us since money flows
into AL Qaeda via the Mosque route. But no direct threat to us.

[Moochy]

38. Hijackers trained in Germany

15 out of 17 were Saudi's. Why not send predators out from our bases in Germany?

or Yemen, where they had a safehouse?

Oh that's right we were forced to obey the law and use diplomatic solutions for those other countries.

[Garam_Masala]

40. Command and control center of Al Qaeda

prior to and during 911 attack was in Afghanistan.

[TexasObserver]

42. FAIL. Unrecommended.

[Garam_Masala]

43. My way or highway?

Care to express your brilliant retort?

[Moochy]

44. Do you like Queensryche? and OverCapitlization? or Excessive Emoticons?

[TexasObserver]

51. I think you're onto him.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

64. "Open your mind because if you don't you're not educating yourself....."

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[cry baby]

49. I saw this exact post by you on another thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=30192&mesg_id=30192 post #73

[TexasObserver]

50. Thanks for noticing.

On a night like tonight, there's not much point in talking about one's point of view. We're representing for the things we believe, and that doesn't require a long conversation with people who have a different opinion.

I Recommend threads I want to Recommend, and Unrecommend those I wish to Unrecommend. It's not complicated. The "FAIL" is just the reason for the Unrecommend.

[cry baby]

52. I found another one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7131691&mesg_id=7131691 post #15

that's almost like spamming, isn't it?

[TexasObserver]

55. So what?

I've posted RECOMMEND only on threads for months, every day, and I don't recall you crying over that once.

Instead of accepting that others don't share your opinion and that's life, you have to whine and be accusatory.

[cry baby]

56. like I said, just seems like spamming the board

spam away, dood!

[TexasObserver]

57. That's probably because you don't think logically, or have a bias.

I've found that no matter how one Unrecommends, or how one informs or doesn't inform the thread readers about such Unrecommend, there will be whiners who cry about it.

Tonight we had tons of threads on the topic of Afghanistan. Do I really need to give my entire spiel in every post? I'm opposed to the war in Afghanistan, opposed to any escalation of it, and opposed to the president on this topic. I am disappointed in him, and in all his cheerleaders.

[jeanpalmer]

45. We need a president

who has the ability to do a complete reassessment of our military presence across the globe, and who sees the need to drastically downsize it. The only two politicians I see who understand the problem are Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul. No one else seems to have any interest or concern.

[Garam_Masala]

46. Correct! To deploy troops in dozen's of countries is a foolishness

we can no longer afford. We have to beg and borrow from China funds for
Stimulus, HCR and bailouts. Yet we continue to spend on military deployed in
places where conflict ended more than half a century ago.

All those posters who are crying about cost of Afghanistan war are ignoring
the cost of these unnecessary deployments.

If history is any guide, most super powers cease to be one not through military
defeats but rather economic failures & excessive debt.

[neshanic still]

48. Well if you do not understand, why not go the distance?

Since you support 30,000, would it not be better to send 50,000? What about 60,000?

Why send 30,000 when you could send an overwhelming force that would finish the job? Why not ask that?

[Garam_Masala]

70. I am sure the president has better briefing of facts than me

so I will abide by his 30,000 number.

[cherokeeprogressive]

54. If you do not understand, I'm betting you have "no skin in the game".

I do. I have relatives AND the children of friends in the line of fire.

Your list of "Countries where US troops are STILL deployed" is not only FUCKING IRRELEVENT, it's comical as a comparison. In how many of those countries are there US TROOPS being shot at?

[Garam_Masala]

74. So if they are not being shot at why are the troops there?

You can't afford it, I can't afford it, and the US Treasury
can't afford it. Have you taken a peek at the national debt lately?
Who do you think inherits that debt? It will be my kids and your kids
and their kids.

[Orsino]

61. You are probably allowed to vote, anyway. n/t

[shadesofgray]

66. 'K. Then I won't vote for him next time. That make you feel better?

[Garam_Masala]

73. Only if you find another candidate who is more in sync with you eom

[LWolf]

67. I'll explain it to you, then:

A very, very large number of people have wanted our troops out of the middle east for 9 years now. We never wanted them there to begin with.

Hearing that we are sending more is NOT good news.

A very many people voted, not FOR Obama and his agenda, but AGAINST McCain/Palin. They voted for the lesser evil, and now they are expressing discontent with being "stuck" with the lesser evil.

Many people voted FOR Obama, even though they knew that they opposed some of his agenda, because they agreed with the rest, or because they wanted to be part of the historic election of the first black president.

Some people voted for him, regardless of his agenda, because he was the Democrat on the ballot.

And yes, some people voted for him because they agreed with his agenda. For the most part, those aren't the voters protesting his actions in Afghanistan.

[Garam_Masala]

72. Fair enough...but then you should be willing to put up with

the president's position on several issues, knowing full well
AHEAD OF TIME that his agenda was not 100% in sync with yours.

Of course you have the right to express your opinion in a CIVIL
manner, which you have.

[Phx_Dem]

68. I agree.

[dflprincess]

69. "You want him to go back on his campaign promises? "

What about insurance mandates? He seems to have changed his mind on that. And then there's that promise about renegotiating NAFTA - haven't heard much about that either.

[Garam_Masala]

71. Both those issues are coming

The president can only juggle so many balls at a time.

[dflprincess]

75. He already changed is mind about mandates

and, according to a report leaked out of Canada last year, he reassured them that the comments about NAFTA were just for the campaign.