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Splinter Cell (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:31 PM Original message |
There is no "defense" of a primary run against Obama. |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
1. Unreccers don't seem to like these annoying facts. n/t |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:59 PM Original message |
Or baseless opinons. |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
64. If they thought they could win, what's stopping them? |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #64 |
77. That's not really what the OP stated. |
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akbacchus_BC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 09:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
86. Just rec to counter an unrec |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
2. This wouldnt be a point for discussion if he listened to his base more |
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RiffRandell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
3. Recommended. |
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sailor65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
4. Your dictates on the topic are irrelevant. |
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SoxFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:50 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. The base supports Barack Obama |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Not everyone agrees. Let's prove that contention with a primary! |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #12 |
52. Then why are so many of you so violently scared of a primary challenge? |
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impik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 05:05 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. Scared? Who's scared?! Run against him, be my guest. He'll destroy every challenger |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 06:26 PM Response to Reply #52 |
76. Every $ that Obama has to spend fighting a Dem in the primary is a $ NOT spent fighting the GOP |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 11:34 PM Response to Reply #76 |
102. With your POV we should abolish all dem primaries |
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akbacchus_BC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 09:59 PM Response to Reply #52 |
87. How could bloggers on here shut down the "IDEA of a primary |
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Lil Missy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
37. DU is not the same as the base of the party. |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 06:09 PM Response to Reply #37 |
71. Boy, oh-fuckin'-boy you can say that again! |
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Lil Missy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 06:15 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. DU is not the same as the base of the party. |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 06:22 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Thanks |
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Mike Nelson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
5. Agreed |
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Bobbie Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
6. K&R |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
7. K&R. The best thing would be to help elect more liberal folks to the House and Senate |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
8. They think, incorrectly, that a primary will force Obama left. |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. And, he would still face the same problem of dealing with more conservative Dem Senators |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:50 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Indeed.. the focus should be on congress, not on the President.. |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Yeah, that was my first rant a few posts above. Guess I'm in a ranting |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Rant away!! I am sure some are noticing.. |
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Dems2002 (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #13 |
30. Keep telling yourself that |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. Its clear Obama wants to be more of a negotiator and mediator than someone who forces policy.. |
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akbacchus_BC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 10:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
88. So agree with you. Some people think the President has unlimited |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Oh, and another thing, he would still have to deal with a slow-as-molasses Reid |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #11 |
46. Yeah, but ole Harry seems to have gotten some things done lately.. |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #46 |
63. That's quite true. That crazy lady might have shaken him up |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 05:22 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Me too. I am so "shaken" I almost ready to start donating again. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 05:59 AM Response to Reply #8 |
116. He won't have to "go left" |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 07:10 AM Response to Reply #116 |
117. A primary always forces a candidate away from the center to win the nomination.. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. A no-incumbent primary certainly does. |
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T Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
10. EVERYTHING! Are you psychotic? Obama and the Democrats are so far from EVERYTHING that |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #10 |
75. In my best cockney accent.. |
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Splinter Cell (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #10 |
123. Perhaps... |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
14. Hunh. I did not know that. So the rules of democracy have changed for this guy? |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. He wasn't the incumbent last time. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. You're right, that should give him an advantage this time. |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. That worked perfectly for Carter in 1980. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. So you think Obama is weaker than Carter? |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #32 |
42. Nice try, but no. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:22 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. I'm not putting any label on it. Do you see me putting a label on it? |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:29 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Given that many DUers use those labels frequently, it was a decent assumption. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:37 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. A challenge would be the best way for him to get his message out. |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 05:09 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. Again, he is the incumbent -- it's a totally different context. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 06:17 PM Response to Reply #59 |
73. You keep saying that, but why? Why will it weaken him? Why will he have less chance? |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 08:06 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. Because it's not an increased opportunity to be heard. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 10:22 PM Response to Reply #79 |
90. The rift will be there, whether there is a primary challenger or not. |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 11:24 PM Response to Reply #90 |
101. You make some good points. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 12:51 AM Response to Reply #101 |
110. Aww. |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 01:26 AM Response to Reply #110 |
113. We could frame it, but it would end up in a museum somewhere. |
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11 Bravo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 07:18 PM Response to Reply #43 |
78. Of course he would defeat any primary challenger. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 10:26 PM Response to Reply #78 |
94. So what will he spend it on? |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. + a million. nt |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. North Korea only allows one candidate in their elections |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 05:19 PM Response to Reply #23 |
65. I guess those multiple candidates on the ballot were a figment of my imagination. |
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akbacchus_BC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 11:53 PM Response to Reply #65 |
104. Starbucks, wow, you did good hon! |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #14 |
29. Ah the sideways thrust....it doesn't work |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #29 |
40. He won. I supported him. We get to do it over again in 2012. |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Such little faith in the office of POTUS being in capable hands. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:26 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Glad you finally agree. |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. I don't agree with you. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Make up your mind. You disagree, then you agree, now you disagree. |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Awww now you're gonna get mean. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 06:02 PM Response to Reply #56 |
70. Not mean. I'm trying to be helpful. I'm worried about you. |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 09:11 PM Original message |
Oh no, the alert button is stuck. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
92. That would be sad, if you had someone to alert on. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
15. OH Gawd. Pure comedy gold! |
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akbacchus_BC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 11:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
103. I am surprised you not arguing, LOL. You must be happy as a lark |
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R. P. McMurphy (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
17. K & R n/t |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
19. Our side wanted the troops home, civil liberties restored, jobs programs first priority |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
20. K&R |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
21. Well said. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #21 |
127. why does it follow |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
28. As gay folk can testify -- the mob rarely right. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
33. Americans blame Bush for the economy and wars |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
34. It is called Democracy and it needs no defense |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Yeah, that's why people go around encouraging primary challenges to Feingold |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
35. I support primary challenges against all incumbents |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. When Kos suggested that Kucinich should be primaried |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. But Kucinich is perfect in every way and can't be criticized. |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 05:24 PM Response to Reply #41 |
67. Not me |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 05:30 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. +1 |
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akbacchus_BC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 10:10 PM Response to Reply #41 |
89. Why would Kos suggest that Kucinich be primaried? Was it for his |
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alc (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
36. primaries are a place for people to state the direction |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. Primaries |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
50. Ah, the "perfect" strawman |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
55. false choices run rampant lol. In a democracy every person has a right to primary an incumbent. nt |
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impik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
57. Yes, there is: Stupidity. |
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ProgressOnTheMove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
60. We walk into the 2012 together or we don't walk at all. Love Ted Kennedy but he weakend Carter with |
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ProgressOnTheMove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 05:15 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Keep this kicked if you are with the Prez for the long haul. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
62. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, and Obama has a history of making concessions toward those... |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 05:46 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. And THAT is the perfect justification for a Primary Challenge. |
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akbacchus_BC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 10:46 PM Response to Reply #62 |
99. Whom do you have in mind that can remotely challenge President Obama |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
80. Can't have democracy, can we? |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
81. Oh relax, no one is going to primary Obama. |
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akbacchus_BC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 10:23 PM Response to Reply #81 |
91. Bea, you never know but I do not see SOS Clinton primarying President Obama! |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 10:27 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. One thing about Hillary, she doesn't back out of a fight. |
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akbacchus_BC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 10:36 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. I totally agree with you, she is a fighter and even as first lady, she |
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Splinter Cell (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #95 |
125. Jesus Christ |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
82. Obama will win because he has the cosmopolitan Republican vote. |
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akbacchus_BC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 10:25 PM Response to Reply #82 |
93. He does not have the Republican vote! |
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liquid diamond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
83. Principles, principles, princicples. |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
84. Good thing we have adults like you to inform us of our political prerogatives. |
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akbacchus_BC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 10:30 PM Response to Reply #84 |
96. You make me smile, isn't the US a big democracy? Who is stopping |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 12:08 AM Response to Reply #96 |
107. No one, that's my point. |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
85. I have to laugh again |
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akbacchus_BC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 10:39 PM Response to Reply #85 |
98. Well prepare to laugh for another six years, as this presidency is |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 10:57 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. No, predicatably you misunderstand |
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akbacchus_BC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 11:56 PM Response to Reply #100 |
105. Well, no matter what you are wishing for, President Obama will not |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 12:00 AM Response to Reply #105 |
106. Reading comprehension is your friend |
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akbacchus_BC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 12:14 AM Response to Reply #106 |
108. Where did the reading crap supposed to come in! I read you loud |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 12:21 AM Response to Reply #108 |
109. I do indeed |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 01:00 AM Response to Original message |
111. The more you guys say this.. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 01:09 AM Response to Reply #111 |
112. The more you think about losing, |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 03:53 AM Response to Reply #111 |
114. +1 |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #111 |
122. Me too. It makes me think of how we aren't leaving Afghanistan until 2014 now |
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davidpdx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 05:42 AM Response to Original message |
115. Well put, though I say let the naysayers run someone |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
119. I see. |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. Pretty much |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
120. What - are you AFRAID Obama would lose? |
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Splinter Cell (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #120 |
124. Who? |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #124 |
128. A man of the people, not a man of the corporations |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-10 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
126. That's up to voters to decide. |
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