Can we get an amen chorus folks.. after starting with over 700,000 in job losses a month

[Peacetrain]

to drop to 11,000.. (We are in positive job growth in Iowa).. this is good.. this is the direction we want to be going..

We have been losing jobs for 23 straight months...This is huge..

Non Farm payroll..

[Peacetrain]

1. I cannot believe you are unreccing job growth

[HughMoran]

5. They aren't unreccing job growth, they are unreccing "positivity" and you

You're one of them thar "pom pom girls" dontcha know?

[Peacetrain]

7. That is probably true.. but holey moley Hugh, 23 months of straight job losses

and we are now climbing back.. yes :)

[HughMoran]

10. Believe me, I'm holding my breath

I'm now working at my 3rd job in one year after being at the same place for 15 years. It's a very small company and health insurance is 3-4x higher than my previous company and we are at the mercy of the economy as far as orders go. This is very close to home for me.

[Peacetrain]

14. I hear that one.. My brother is just chomping at the bit to be able to get insurance

He got laid off this summer and took another job, without insurance, and he tried to get it himself but they denied him because he had a case history of sleep apnea..

Hugh, I hope this is the beginning of a big turnaround for you. I have to take 5 furlough days, but I still have my job.. knock on wood.

Changing jobs is such a stressful thing to have to go through... and three time.. yikes :hug:

[HughMoran]

17. It's been one crazy year - thank god for ARRA subsidies on Cobra

That kept my insurance low while I was contracting. I may actually stay on Cobra versus signing up for a $40k family plan that breaks both me and the company - we're so small that I don't want to kill the bottom line with my healthcare. I'll be betting on the provision that allows me to keep Cobra until the exchanges are set-up - a risky bet but the alternative is even worse.

[Kber]

93. Loss of COBRA (when it expires) is a "Qualifying Event"

Meaning it's like a birth or marriage in that the event allows you to change or elect your health insurance. So if you had to, you could go onto the company's insurance at that time.

[MrsCorleone]

51. Big congrats to your state! We're working hard in Cali to do the same

but it has been a tough battle with the republicans at ground level.

See my post here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=39009&mesg_id=39141

[unapatriciated]

86. don't believe that those of us who disagree with some of Obama's Policies

Are in the business of Un-rec just to stir the pot.
I don't support some of the polices that have come from President Obama, but am always happy to see not only our President succeed but our country and fellow man as well.
I'm sick of the name calling on both sides and this obsession with the un-rec feature.
May I suggest that we all abstain from using it for two weeks and use our voice instead by leaving a comment of why we disagree or just by-passing a post we disagree with.
Maybe than we can see who the disruptors really are.

[Mithreal]

53. Moran, that is outrageous. Keep that kind of negativity to yourself.

The unrec posse knock anything good or important.

Really want to foster division?

[ClarkUSA]

6. They're cowards whose hatred for pro-Obama administration news has reached sociopathic proportions.

Anyway, I'm very pleased for Iowa. What's driving the recovery in Iowa? High tech? Construction?

[Peacetrain]

11. Well we are a farm economy but also we have moved into things like call centers

(as opposed to calling another country) etc.. and our hard industry like John Deere who recalled over 450 workers.. we are number 2 in the nation in wind energy.. going green.. a broad range approach

[ClarkUSA]

15. Iowa may well be a bellwether for job recovery in the Midwest, then.

The recent national jobs report indicates that job losses seems to have hit bottom. I'll be watching for continued good
news from Iowa from you and hope to hear about surrounding states following suit next year.

[treestar]

33. Sounds like a great state

Wind energy - can't go wrong making money in green ways.

[PSzymeczek]

64. Iowa's been a pioneer in wind energy

for over 10 years. Multiple wind farms up around Clear Lake. Really pretty to see on a drive around the lake.

[HughMoran]

12. Prolonged negative posting by some does come across as sociopathic on the internet

I sometimes search to see if some of the worst offenders ever post anything positive or joke about anything with their fellow DUers. Some do, but many are just grim meanies.

[ClarkUSA]

27. Sure does.

<<I sometimes search to see if some of the worst offenders ever post anything positive or joke about anything with their
fellow DUers. Some do, but many are just grim meanies.>>

I'm not surprised. You'd have to be a bitterly "grim" asshole in order to unrec this OP as well as others that do nothing but
signal positivity and hope for the country's future.

[mkultra]

47. probably true

to be frank, im surprised to see you off your soapbox

[liberation]

52. Same could be said of the unreccing that happens for threads critical of Obama's policies

BTW, we still need to create a few million jobs just to break even.

When being stuck in a well, celebration is usually reserved for the time when one manages to get out alive... not when one stops falling because they just hit rock bottom.

That being said, the silver lining is that hopefully this is the bottom. There is the possibility of this being a double dip recession since jobs are not picking up (I know they are a trailing indicator, but this was not a normal business cycle), once seasonal hiring subdues after Christmas.

[ClarkUSA]

59. Not really, since most bitter OPs are pure spin from the 24/7 Obama Outrage crowd

Unrec'ing an OP from an Iowan who's happy about about the state of Iowa coming out of the job loss tailspin
is sheer lunacy from inveterate Obama Haters.

[jefferson_dem]

21. I can...

Forever bitter...our resident serial complainers. Good news is bad news...

FIGHT the POWA and all that!

[impik]

31. Na, they unrec Barack Obama. Let them.

Losers.

[CTLawGuy]

82. of course they are WARtrain*

Because it's positive about Obama, and we can't have that, he's a war monger who is no different than Bush. :sarcasm:


*(because if you aren't for immediately pulling out of a preexisting war, that you inherited, without regard for the consequences of doing so, you are for WAR, in all caps, and in actuality you had invaded the country in the first place, oh and you are continuing the Bush Doctrine, and you kick puppies for a living)

[NJmaverick]

84. Hatred and anger have consumed too many here at DU

they have lost all sense of balance or perspective. They are simply lashing out wildly at anything and everything.

[Soylent Brice]

2. K&R

[arcadian]

3. WTF is "amen chorus folks"???

Is this a cheerleading code? :rofl:

[ClarkUSA]

8. It's folks who are happy for the OP's grateful and positive message. That isn't you, obviously.

Don't you have an anti-Obama OP you forgot to rec? :eyes:

[Name removed]

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[ClarkUSA]

42. Yeah, we've got their MO's all down by now.

<<That's why it acts so clueless..or maybe it's not an act.>>

It's not an act. :rofl:

[mkultra]

48. it puts the lotion on its skin

or it gets the hose again.

[ClarkUSA]

49. !!!

:rofl:

[CitizenLeft]

62. oh dear.

:rotfl:

[arcadian]

68. So you dehumanize me by calling me "it".

Yeah, you really have the Aloha spirit zidzi. NOT...

[vaberella]

20. What is your purpose?! n/t

[Name removed]

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[SemiCharmedQuark]

38. Yes. DU is exactly like Nazi Germany.

:eyes:

You get the Pete Hoekstra Award for Hyperbole.

[arcadian]

71. No, just certain posters who demand loyalty oaths.

[treestar]

34. Ingored's purpose is to bemoan all good news

And cheer on all bad news!

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[arcadian]

69. So, you dehumanize me, by calling me "it".

That's just what the military has to do before they kill people. Dehumanize. You are a real piece of work.

[Patchuli]

81. Enough yourself! nt

[lxlxlxl]

4. the haters outweigh the realists on here

sorry to say.

[uponit7771]

9. Hours worked has increased .2 that is VERY POSITIVE if that number can remain sustained...

...the taking away of 98,000 from the sample data is stupid and skews the number but the hours worked yells no outlier

[Peacetrain]

13. Even the pay inched up a micro notch.. which is good news

[Lisa D]

16. Amen! n/t

[HopeOverFear]

18. Amen, Peacetrain! :)

[vaberella]

19. Wow...From 6 figures to a very low 5 figures. Wow.

I have to say I'm impressed. Wow.

[tandot]

22. We can use some good news. Thanks, Peacetrain

[lamp_shade]

24. AAAAAAAAAAAMENNN!!!

[azmouse]

25. One step at a time.

We're on our way to recovery. :)

[mopinko]

26. damn that barack obama

oh, wait.....

[liquid diamond]

76. lol

[HamdenRice]

28. Great news! nt

[Kahuna]

29. Amen, Peacetrain!!!

:headbang:

[firedupdem]

30. Rec'd! Positive news! n/t

[dgibby]

32. That's GREAT news!

Congrats! We got good news here in Charleston,SC, the other day when Boeing announced they're moving here to build more jets. We're also getting money for some type of wind energy research.

As for the unrecs, it's been my observation that almost every post,positive or negative, is being unrec'd. I don't think it has anything to do with the post or the poster, I think it's guerrlia warfare against the whole rec/unrec thingy. I also think it's done to delibertly start a rec/unrec flame war.

[Hekate]

35. Peacetrain, you get an "Amen" from me. Jobs are what will pull us out of this. nt

[Cha]

36. They're unrecing anything that smacks of reality.

Give 'em "Obama bait and switch" and they'll rec that mofo off the charts..even though it's the writer who's Baiting and Switching.

[Tigermoose]

40. K & R for good news.

nt

[silverweb]

41. Yes, indeed.

:kick:

[Clio the Leo]

43. I have faithfully watched the unemployment numbers every week since Obama took office....

.... we're still not where we need to be, but we're right on pace with where the admin said we'd be. (On pace for job growth the first quarter of 2010.)

Couple that with one and a half health care bills through Congress and Dimitry Medvedev as the President's new BFF.

So many things like this that give me confidence when it comes to the President's judgement on ..... ya know ..... other stuff. ;)

A lovely day indeed.

[Peacetrain]

45. I know I have posted from time to time what has been happening locally

which has been a slow and steady tick upward. Example, (because of where we live people still look for jobs in the help wanted in the newspaper).. This time last year..there was less than one page of help wanted.. Last Sunday we had three pages.

[Clio the Leo]

46. Well the crowds around the mall were pretty big for a Friday afternoon...

... when I went shopping today. And they didn't bother me one bit, I was glad to see them. I realize one is not DIRECTLY indicative of the other, but I felt like I was standing in a line of positive approval rating numbers.

[cry baby]

44. good news indeed. knr

[Lord Helmet]

50. they revised last month's job losses from 195K to 119K

per Randi Rhodes today

[Pirate Smile]

99. And the month before. I believe 159,000 less jobs were lost in October and September then earlier

thought.

[Mithreal]

54. The Christmas season helps. I will wait a few months before I cheer these numbers.

[backscatter712]

55. Do bear in mind the Dept. of Labor uses a seasonal adjustment when calculating their numbers.

In other words, the Silly Season's already factored in.

And yes, today's job figures are very good news, for Obama, and for the nation.

The haters are gonna have to find something else to use as an excuse to piss in everyone's corn flakes...

[Mithreal]

56. I get that but I do not know how they calculate that number

and am suspicious of any employment calculated numbers. If it is a real recovery, then it will be here after the season is over.

[backscatter712]

58. All it means right now is that the job market is no longer actually getting worse.

As for recovery, we'll have to wait until we see six-digit numbers in the positive direction, and it'll be a while before we see that.

[winyanstaz]

57. K & R....

However...a this is the season that everything normally picks up...get back to us with those numbers around ummm april. :) thanks.
In the meantime I will keep my fingers crossed and hope that indeed it has turned around.
I am not sure if it was Obama and Bush co bailing out the banks or if it is due to the resolution and hard work of the American people...but if it has turned around...I will be a most happy camper. :)

[Mithreal]

60. We purposely spent as sort of our own recovery plan

Normally savers, but we bought a new gas furnace, 6k, and a bunch of other household items as a stimulus plan of our own. I am sure others are thinking the same, at least the ones that have been saving and have money to spend. I know it may sound a lot like Bush's silly remark about going shopping, but the economy can use the spending if someone has a surplus in savings right now. Of course, keep enough for short term emergencies. As if any of us can save enough to prevent tragedy, that's impossible, of course.

[Arctic Dave]

61. I'm a bit confused, IA was loosing 700,000 jobs a month and now

now they are only loosing 11,000 a month? As in they have stopped loosing 689,000 jobs a month? Or, are the loosing 11,000 jobs less a month?

[Peacetrain]

63. You are being facetious (God I hope) ....but just in case those numbers are the national numbers

;)

[BlueJac]

65. total bullshit story

I can't believe the fools that fall for such crap. How many jobs can be lost before no one is working??? Tons of people have run out of unemployment benefits and are no longer counted. The way this shit is reported is a crime in itself. For many years the government has been changing the way they count the unemployed to make themselves look good. Shit do people believe every fucking thing they read as absolute truth. That is what is wrong with this country, the media says something and everyone runs around with their hair on fire!!

[Peacetrain]

66. In January we were bleeding 700,000 jobs a month..

This is huge.. you have to stop the bleeding or the patient will die. This is not a media story..this is just the numbers coming in. I wish the media would promote it more..

[ShortnFiery]

70. Well put! There's one born every minute but those who REMAIN jobless are "waking-up" eom

[ipaint]

67. Jobs Data Divergence: Who To Believe?

But then, aside from manufacturing, the November BLS employment summary is completely incomprehensible. There is a massive discrepancy between the all-sector job losses reported by ADP and the BLS—169,000 versus 11,000. In percentage terms, this could well be the biggest ADP-BLS disagreement ever.
But it gets even more interesting. ADP reports 81,000 jobs lost in the service sector in November, while BLS reports a net gain of 56,000. Meanwhile, the ISM shows non-manufacturing employment still deep in contraction territory, at 41.6 whereas a mere break-even is 50. Who are we supposed to believe?
Moreover, according to the BLS, “the change in total nonfarm payroll employment for September was revised from -219,000 to -139,000, and the change for October was revised from -190,000 to -111,000.” Again, these are almost unprecedented revisions and a massive departure from ADP numbers. Note that ADP revised its October figures by only 8000, from a decline of 203,000 to a decline of 195,000.

...We are looking at a three-month ADP-BLS net jobs divergence of roughly 230%, with ISM non-manufacturing employment still deep in contraction. Again, whom are we supposed to believe? It seems that the stats are finally coming unglued. My own hunch is that under intense political pressure, BLS created a number of service sector jobs out of thin air.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/176620-jobs-data-divergence-who-to-believe?source=article_lb_articles




While much of the focus was on the overall number, the breakdown by category was less reassuring. Those areas of the economy that would naturally be associated with a sustainable rebound in activity, including manufacturing, trade, transportation and utilities, and construction, are still hemorrhaging jobs.

Moreover, recent developments suggest that two categories which did see respectable gains, education and health care, face major headwinds in the period ahead. With municipal budgets under growing strain, school budgets -- and education-related hiring -- have nowhere to go but down. And with all eyes now focused on the rising cost of health care, the pressure to reign in spending will only increase.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-alternative-read-todays-bullish-jobs-data

[NYC_SKP]

72. "Gimme a 'K'!"

Go Obama!!!

[Lucky Luciano]

73. [phone]! nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

74. Excellent news indeed! Of course, when we begin to see positive job GROWTH....

you can archive this thread to see that the haters will still have various complaints. You'll never please all the people. However, the usual suspects rail against the mean old corporations & the Obama administration, while complaining that neither is putting folks back to work quick enough.

What I don't understand is why a site called DEMOCRATIC Underground reads like Free Republic most of the time. :shrug:

[liquid diamond]

75. Kick and

Amen!

[DallasNE]

77. Future Revisions Will Likely

Turn November into positive territory. The 2 prior months were adjusted more favorably. The adjustements tend to go in the same direction as the trend, in this case positive.

[BlooInBloo]

78. Since this is DU, I assume all news is bad news.

[Lindsey]

79. Right on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 n/t

[JDPriestly]

80. I hope it is true. And I hope the quality of jobs also improves in time.

But, is this just a drop in job losses? Is it an increase in employment? I don't understand it to mean that more jobs have been created but only that fewer have been lost. We are still in deep trouble unfortunately.

[Lerkfish]

83. those stats are not accurate, btw.

so, not dissing you for trying to be positive, I WISH it were positive, but those stats are not even close.

[Craftsman]

85. The numbers are cooked

This reminds me of the first 5 months of 2008, when the price of gasoline went from $2/gal to $4+ (MOL) and the BLS Claimed that the price of gasoline actually declined for the purposes of calculating their inflation number.

[peace frog]

87. It's too soon to declare a jobs crisis turnaround

Positive employment news is always welcome but it's spotty at best. Time will tell.

[Peacetrain]

96. A graph showing the movement.. this is still job loss..but 700,000 to 11,000

we have to stop the job loss before we can start the job gain.

[Craftsman]

101. That is if you believe the gov numbers?

I don't anymore.

[unapatriciated]

88. I'm happy to see that Iowa is going in the right direction

sad to see a few on here turn your positive post into a bashing of those of us who question some of President Obama's polices.

Iowa is my place of birth and I still have a lot of family there, so this is good news.

[Peacetrain]

90. Iowa has picked up 3,200 jobs since we bottomed in July or August..

So I am very happy to see this locally,but in the upper midwest and upper west we look to be the first out of the Recession with the exception of Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan ..
http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=435215
:hi: from one Iowan to another..

[old mark]

89. Before Obama's speech in Allentown, PA, the Allentown Mayor

stated that the econoimy there is starting to recover, as well. This used to be a great industrial area, where anyone could find a job. Then the companys began to close or worse, move out of the state or out of the US completely. I am glad to see even a hint of recovery, and I am hearing that 2010 will see a greater increase in Stimulus related projects, meaning more jobs.

All you Obama haters are welcome to join the GOP where you belong. If they will have you.

mark

[azmouse]

91. I used to work at the AT&T plant in Reading.

So did my husband. That's long gone now.
In fact, most of the places I worked in that area are closed up.

From what I hear from my relatives still in that area of PA times are very tough. I'll always have a fondness for my old home area but I'll never be able to return. No jobs for me or my husband there.

[old mark]

92. Seemed like every place I worked there shut down.

I didn't think I was THAT bad.....


mark

[ipaint]

94. Yes, questioning a number that makes absolutely no sense makes me an obama hater.

No wonder propaganda works so well on authoritarians, no questions allowed.

[Peacetrain]

95. Those were the numbers from the CBO/Labor Dept... not anything made up..

The Labor Dept gave us the 700,000 numbers last January.. (actually more than 700,000) and they are the ones that gave us the numbers of 11,000 on Friday.. The Congressional Budget Office/Labor Dept is a good source one week and this week its a bad source?

[ipaint]

97. The bls numbers don't make sense.

Until they do I will question their validity.


Jobs Data Divergence: Who to Believe?

http://seekingalpha.com/article/176620-jobs-data-divergence-who-to-believe?source=article_lb_articles


We need 20 million jobs created by 2012 to get back to 5% unemployment. Thats a hell of alot of low wage service, temp and retail jobs. The good jobs that would signal a coming real recovery are still contracting substantially every month. The numbers being reported state by state are even worse than the national numbers.

I don't trust any politician, either side, nor do I trust government numbers, statements, claims without question. BLS numbers can and have been manipulated many times by administrations on both sides so no I don't trust them.

[tabasco]

98. The usual DU clowns will be outraged at the good news.

This place has become nothing but a cesspool.

I just check in from time to time.

[Honeycombe8]

100. A-a-a-men. A-a-a-men. A-a-men Amen Amen. EVERYBODY, now: A-a-a-men.

A-a-a-men.

A-a-men
A-men
A-men

The only song Sydney Poitier ever sang in a movie?