The President (thru his mouthpiece) just told me to f*** off.

[Stoic]

Okay, I'll f*** off then.

I contributed to his Senate run.
I contributed to his Presidential run.
I donated to the DNC for the last 8 years.
I volunteered with the local Democratic Party to get the vote out for Obama in 2008.

Next time some one around here ask me if I'm going to vote for President Obama in 2012 I'll just remind them that he says I'm a drug addled "professional" liberal and he couldn't care less for my vote. Guess what? He lost it.

I will, of course, continue to vote for, volunteer for and donate to Democratic candidates who care about my vote, LISTEN TO ME and support and fight for the policies I think are best for the country.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

1. I was told earlier that it doesnt matter what I think

because I am not a part of his base anyway. Good luck with that line of attack, I guess. I am sure it will prove to be successful in 2012.

[sandnsea]

2. So you think Obama = Bush? n/t

[provis99]

3. Gibbs said liberals think Obama=Bush, so it must be true!

[tridim]

11. I'm a Liberal and I don't think Obama=Bush. Not even close.

Gibbs was talking to the actual "liberals" who think Obama=Bush.

[xiamiam]

38. ha..if you are a liberal thats what you think because the administrations mouth piece just told you

as well as the rest of the country..feel demonized?

[tridim]

45. Not at all. He wasn't talking to me.

Chances are he was talking to you though.

The same way Michael Moore was talking about you when he coined the term "professional liberal".

[xiamiam]

49. 'professional' intimates payment..i am liberal to the core of my heart which guides me

but since i dont have health insurance and my mortgage is late, perhaps you could suggest the source of such funds..

[tridim]

51. I just contacted HUD today because I'm about to lose my home.

But you know what? I'm not going to blame anyone except the people that caused the foreclosure problem; BUSH AND THE REPUBLICANS. I'm certainly not going to blame Obama and the Democrats who are trying to help us.

[xiamiam]

62. the obama program..hamp..has yet to work..everything is just stalled

good luck..

[tridim]

64. Do you know about the help for unemployed mortgage holders in the FinReg bill?

I've posted it about a dozen times now.

Bank Regulation Brings Mortgage Aid For The Unemployed
http://online.wsj.com/article/NA_WSJ_PUB:BT-CO-20100722-708905.html

[Stoic]

5. Hyperbolic false argument

Why don't people who advance this statement just respond to and defend the President when specific criticisms are put forward. This is just name calling.

[ieoeja]

46. Using Gibbs actual words is false?

"I hear these people saying he's like George Bush. Those people ought to be drug tested. I mean, it's crazy."

[Dr.Phool]

65. The trained seals are getting old fast.

In another thread, no matter what I posted, this clown replied, "So do you think Obama is the same as Bush"? I kept ignoring the idiot, and I'd reply somewhere else, and he'd jump back in with the same sit. And the more I ignored him the angrier he got, and just kept asking the same goddamned question.

Trained seals. Talking parrots. Whatever.

[jgraz]

8. No, Bush was smart enough to not piss on his base.

[mike_c]

9. sure, why not?

Just to piss you off. When you're ready to talk with the grown-ups, maybe we can get beyond ridiculous straw men and misdirection. Until then, we're all just fucking retards and drug addled professional leftists who aren't a significant enough voting bloc to be concerned about one way or the other. You don't need to worry about us because we're just fringe malcontents.

[sandnsea]

44. You didn't vote for him anyway

And I bet that's true of most of the DU "critics" of the President.

[mike_c]

47. well, I can't speak for anyone else...

...but you're correct about me-- I voted Green in 2008 and I'm proud of it. I was not fooled then any more than I am now.

[tallahasseedem]

93. This isn't "Green Underground"...

If you want to continue to bash the President for every and any move he makes take that shit elsewhere.

[niceypoo]

85. Idiotic statement

...at best

[cherokeeprogressive]

16. In fairness, I didn't see the word Bush anywhere in that post. I didn't even see an equal sign. n/t

[spiritual_gunfighter]

79. Nope

I have never said that Obama=Bush and people that do say that horseshit I dont take seriously. What I was offended by was that Gibbs called me out personally. He referred to those people that want Canadian healthcare. Yeah I am one of those people, like Michael Moore said tonight, he is one of those people to.

He called me out personally, so fuck him.

[dflprincess]

4. You forgot "fucking retarded"

We are drug addled, professional liberals with fuckin' retarded ideas. (Just to give Obama's buddy, Rahm, his due.)

This must be more 3D chess because I sure can't figure out how they think they'll win if they completely shun the left. They don't really think they'll be any more successful picking up Republican voters than they have been getting them to cooperate in Congress, do they?

[catgirl]

12. He's "shunning the left"?

Wow, just because Gibbs targeted a VERY SMALL group of whiners?

[dflprincess]

20. Don't kid yourself

the disappointment with this administration is growing among anyone to the left of the DLC. I hear more of it from party regulars all the time - as well as from friends & relatives who aren't especially into politics but who voted for him.

And it is the insurance sell out thatleft a lot of people disgusted.

[catgirl]

33. Don't worry, I'm not kidding myself

It's obvious that the upset "liberal" base chatter is a rovian ploy. A new poll just came out that proves
that "a lot of people" aren't so "disgusted".

I'll continue to support my president and work hard for the dems. Those few loud-mouths who opt
to constantly complain are just spokes in the wheel.

[Dr.Phool]

66. What, did you poll Gibbs and Rahm.

You people are unbelievably boring and gullible.

You're your own fan club.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

83. Speaking of a few "loud-mouths"

Do yourself a favor and go check the Greatest Page right now. Virtually all the posts are posts destroying Gibbs and countless DUers like myself who think that what Gibbs said was idiotic and if they think they are going to get reelected with that kind of attitude towards their own base, they are stupider than I first thought.

The "few loud-mouths" on DU are the BOG, maybe 20 or so people who are hell bent on helping our President fail by not holding him accountable.

Obama told the Net-Roots Nation last week that he wanted them to hold him accountable. So I guess you arent taking the Presidents advice.

[xiamiam]

40. and the war which is economically and morally destroying us..nt

[Hello_Kitty]

21. If we're such a VERY SMALL group why is he even talking about us?

I mean, we're irrelevant, right? :shrug:

[catgirl]

28. I think he was referring to fake liberals

the "concerned" fake liberals= RW conspirators.

[Hello_Kitty]

34. Yeah, "fake liberals". "RW conspirators" That's the ticket.

:eyes:

[Ignis]

56. Good thing we don't have any of those at DU...right?

Right? :shrug:

[dflprincess]

36. Until things go badly in November or in 2012

then it will be all our fault. They appear to be setting up for that song now.

[catgirl]

67. get the tin foil hat

sorry, couldn't resist.

[xiamiam]

41. right and that wipes out entire sections of the country..nt

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[phleshdef]

7. You and the small minority of unreality based liberals he was referring to...

...have no problem constantly talking shit about the administration and saying whatever nasty thing you feel like saying about Barack Obama. But when someone actually says something back to you, you apparently can't handle it.

[Cleita]

19. So I take it you too are a corporate DLCer?

Remember, we liberals have a voice too and the last time I heard that it was uncool to criticize the government is present day China and before that the former Soviet Union. Have we become a totalitarian type government too? If we have I'm surprised you are okay with it.

[phleshdef]

26. Making up things that I didn't say and saying I said them will not win you any arguments.

Criticize whoever you want, all you want. But if that criticism is returned back to you, be an adult about it. Gibbs has every right to defend the administrations record against those that constantly say it isn't good enough.

[Cleita]

71. He didn't defend the administration's record. He just

blamed the liberals of being the cause of his problems. I think they forget who got Obama elected. It was every single one of us who would have preferred Dennis Kucinich but voted for Obama anyway. It was every single independent who didn't want to vote for McCain. It wasn't just the corporate Democrats who put him in office. If it had only been them, then McCain would be President today.

[Andy823]

10. Well...

Are you one of those on the left that will "NEVER" be happy with anything the president does? Because that's who I thought he was talking about. I don't think he meant that "anyone" who disagrees with the president, or who wanted "more" out of certain bills that got passed was in that group. I don't thin anyone is completely happy with everything that has been done. What I think he was saying is that some are never happy with what comes about, they "ALWAYS" want MORE! They don't realize that we were lucky to get what we got because not only were republicans voting NO on all the things that have been passed, but some democrats were also voting NO. Right now we have a start on a lot of things, and as someone else said progressives will keep on trying to change things like health care till we do get a single payer system, and they will continue to try and add to bills like the financial reform bill to make it even better. That's what being a progressive is all about, moving on to make things better.

Now I know that a lot of the talk here today is coming from our right wing trolls who want to divide the party, hell that's the goal for being here. I also know that the majority of democrats want "better" bills that what we got, but we did get something that we can build on, and if we got nothing at all, where would we be? Now I read that president Obama has done more than any other president in his first 18 months in the last 50 years. He hasn't gotten everything done he wanted to, but like I said before, he is fighting not only the republicans, but members in his own party. It's not easy to get something passed if there isn't enough votes. Republicans use every tactic in the book to get their members of congress to vote the way their leadership wants them to, but democrats don't do so well when it comes to getting the votes from their own party, let along trying to get some republicans to cross over!

Now you can vote for who you want come 2012, that's your choice, but when we end up with say president Palin running this country, then what? President Obama has a lot of time left in his first term, he can get more done if we keep enough democrats in congress to help him pass bills, and if we can get rid of the DINO's who vote with the republicans, maybe we can get some better bills, and maybe we can add to some of the bills that already have been passed. Now of course if republicans take over congress next year, nothing at all will be done, not one damned thing will get passed, and I don't know about you, but that's not what I want.

I think we should all think about things, and look at all Obama has done since he has been in office and remember that if McCain and Palin where in the WH right now we this country would be in the biggest depression in history right now!

[zipplewrath]

13. Strawman

"I also know that the majority of democrats want "better" bills that what we got, but we did get something that we can build on"

Actually, some of the people that Gibbs is complaining about are making the case that they ARE NOT something to build upon, but something that obstructs the ultimate goal.

This would be true of moving, not closing, Gitmo to Illinois and making it a permanent facility for indefinite extrajudicial detentions. It would be a mandate, that is most definitely not something to build on, nor cadillac taxes. It would be escalataing the war in Afghanistan and killling more innnocent Afghans.

If you're going to criticize the left, you could at least address their points.

"He hasn't gotten everything done he wanted to"

Right, he didn't get Specter. Has he done for Sestak what he did for Specter yet? Fund raiser, presidential visits?
He did get Lincoln though, well so far. He did get the mandate he asked for, and he chose the cadillac tax over the increase on the top 2% of wage earners though. And he did get to escalate the war in Afghanistan. They even had a vote on that and he won. So what is it that he's not getting again?

It might really help if the critics of the left would actually argue against the points of the left, instead of making up their own, as Gibbs did recently.

[Andy823]

59. Yep

I am sure having McCain and Palin in the WH would be much better! :sarcasm:

So how would you make the changes you want if you have no help from congress to pass bills? Something "IS" better than nothing, and if you think NOTHING at all is better, well I really don't know what to tell you!

[zipplewrath]

68. God another one

I out line a post in which I highlight the presidents choices, and I get some snarky strawman about Palin and McCain.

Here's an idea, stick to his campaign promises. No mandates and no cadillac taxes. Both were feasible, and he CHOSE both.

[catgirl]

14. I doubt you support him anyway

He must support the policies YOU think are best. Maybe you should run in 2012. You
won't get my vote though.

[dave29]

15. No, he's telling you to get a grip. Slight difference.

Joe would have told you to f@#$ off.

[CakeGrrl]

17. Yeah, yeah. Just tell us whom you'll be supporting in the 2012 primary

Enquiring minds want to know. I want to hear about this super-being who can win over a plurality of the ENTIRE country with their policies and cut through Washington gridlock and steadfast political opposition while surpassing our current President's list of legislative accomplishments in a comparable span of time.

[Stoic]

27. Are you demanding I vote for Obama when he obviously doesn't want my vote?

I'm just going to give him what he wants. Unless things drastically change, I'm not pulling the lever labeled Obama. Why don't you support the President in his wishes?

[CakeGrrl]

37. Because it seems you're just LOOKING for an excuse not to vote

Reactions like this are proving Gibbs' point.

If I were fighting the shitstorm of Republican opposition and Teabagger groundswell of racism that Obama does, and if I still managed to sign some major legislation that no previous recent administrations, be they D or R, managed to do, yet I continue to hear from the Left that I haven't done a damn thing or that they can't tell me from the shitheel who got us INTO this mess that I'm trying to clean up, I'd tell those who are making those assertions that they must be out of their fuckin' minds.

And that was the point Gibbs was making. On those specific assertions.

But if the Left is going to be so wound up they can't handle being called out and cannot get it together to understand the big picture, then it deserves all the loss it brings on itself for setting up the circular firing squad and allowing Republicans, always ready to band together right or wrong when it counts to advance the party, back into power.

This is a lesson that some are very, very slow to learn. And soon there won't be any coming back from it.

[Nedsdag]

18. Aw boo hoo! You are so sensitive.

Enjoy President Romney in 2012.

[Enrique]

22. Romney is going to be Obama's VP

they're going to run on their great health reform.

[impik]

23. Do you consider yourself a "Professional Left"? Do you think that Obama is like Bush? If so, then

yea: f*** off.

[Connie_Corleone]

24. I didn't realize there were so many professional Left folks on DU.

[Hansel]

97. It's quite impressive isn't it?

Who knew we had that many professional media folk on this site?

[Political Tiger]

25. You've said the same thing to the president so fair is fair

Funny how some can dish it out but can't take it.

[Phx_Dem]

31. No shit!

[Phx_Dem]

32. Delete dupe.

[babylonsister]

55. + a brazillion. nt

[Bobbie Jo]

78. Isn't that always the way...

"Funny how some can dish it out but can't take it." :think:

[NYC Liberal]

29. Good riddance. Vote for who you want to.

:shrug:

[Phx_Dem]

30. I share his sentiment.

[kjackson227]

35. I don't think President Obama can blamed for EVERYTHING...

people in his administration foolishly says. But, suffice it to say that I'm sure the administration is frustrated. Obama has a lot on his plate, and everytime he turns around some consistently continue to criticize and threaten to jump ship because their specific issue isn't being addressed fast enough. Constructive criticism is fine, but to continuously sling snot and threaten to withdraw support looks really infantile to say the least.

[xiamiam]

42. he can solve a lot of problems by getting out of afghanistan..

[kjackson227]

48. And, do you not think he's working on that???

[xiamiam]

50. no..i do not..not since i heard him deliver the escalation speech..nt

[kjackson227]

52. So, you only chose to listen to the "escalation" part of the speech...

and not the plan to "exit" part.

[xiamiam]

82. i listened to all of the speech which i heard bush deliver before

almost word for word

[kjackson227]

87. Bush NEVER set time limits for the war and...

you know it. Apparently, you are one of the people Gibbs was alluding to.

[xiamiam]

90. wearin' that hat proudly..we'll see about 'the' exit strategy..

but i will not pin my hopes on it..i hate this war..its ridiculous..a fools errand and you or no one else will convince me differently

[xiamiam]

91. and one more thing...that speech was handed to him and he delivered it

i sat here with my jaw dropped..the words were not his..he delivered them but almost stumbled thru the blatant lies of it

[BeyondGeography]

39. How silly

Feel better now?

[stevenleser]

43. Do you always go against your interests if your feelings are hurt?

Al Gore pretty much blew me off when we met a few months before election 2000. I still voted for him. He could have cursed me and my family and I still would have voted for him.

Should I have helped enable Shrub's coronation by abstaining from voting or voting for idiot boy?

I don't understand what kind of logic drives some of you. I really don't.

[spoony]

58. What interests?

Wars? Corporate favouritism? Reform that isn't? Undermining public education? Dangling SS over a cliff? Which of these am I supposed to rush to the voting booth to support?

And here's where I feed your last line back to you: I don't understand what kind of logic drives some of you. I really don't.

[stevenleser]

70. I was speaking to people who have a firm grasp of reality, but thanks anyway. n/t

p.s. you are now ignored.

[ProSense]

53. Wait

he told you to "f*** off"?

First, he didn't tell anyone to "f*** off." He leveled a criticism.

Second, do you consider this a description of yourself: “I hear these people saying he’s like George Bush."

[discopants]

54. Gibbs should have said "Professional Drama Queens".

as others have said, get a grip.

[Uzybone]

63. +1000

[WI_DEM]

57. Who cares?

[Name removed]

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[Whisp]

61. ok, bye....

[apocalypsehow]

69. No, he didn't. n/t.

[LatteLibertine]

72. I say dump Gibbs and bring back Van Jones

I want to see Van Jones as White House Press Secretary dealing with Pox News in their new front center seating at briefings :)

[AtomicKitten]

73. No that was me.

:hi:

[tallahasseedem]

94. +1

LOL!

[Whisp]

74. lol. that last line is not so convincing...

it's just to CYA.

[Arkana]

75. Yawn.

No one told you to do anything. You hear what you choose to hear, see what you choose to see. And you choose to be a victim.

[saltpoint]

76. The President, through his example, just told me that

his signature on the Jobs bill this week acknowledges the suffering many people face and that he is attempting to be as supportive as the Congress will allow.

I have a feeling he must have told some people down in Austin as well, because they appeared to show up for his visit there with cameras and warm smiles.

[treestar]

77. You're too sensitive to live

Let alone be involved in politics. There's no way you've done all you said you did - you'd have been dissed at some point in the process and quit.

There is no candidate that will LISTEN TO YOU. They will listen to others too. Not just YOU.

[zulchzulu]

80. Oh spare me the self-important whining... and stay away in 2012

We don't need whiners when we're fighting in the trenches.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

81. I think several of us at DU have already told you the same thing...

Gibbs is late to the party, but he's certainly welcome to join us.

[firedupdem]

84. LOL!

:rofl:

[niceypoo]

86. Join a Democratic blanket party on their own base?

You think it is wise to have a Democratic administration attacking its own base with GOP talking points? Stunning ignorance.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

88. They're not the base....

Let's do some math, shall we?

According to a Gallup Poll from last year, 21% of the voting public self-identify as liberal.

Voter Identification

Now accordinging to a poll from just this week, Obama has the support of 85% of self-identified liberals with 12% expressing disapproval.

Liberal Approval

And so the liberals who disapprove of Obama, the ones Gibbs was talking about, comes to about 2% of the voting public. And if you're a politician and your base is only 2% of the voting public, then you're the candidate of the Green Party.

The cold, hard political calculus is that Obama can abuse this group to his heart's content because a) they're not bloody likely to vote for Sarah Palin in 2012 and b) there are more votes to be gained in the Moderate Middle than there are to lose from the Far Left. So Obama actually gains net support in 2012 by B-Slapping the Jane Hamsher's of the world.

[savalez]

89. Thanks for the clarification.

[niceypoo]

95. "Obama can abuse this group to his heart's content"

That is the stupidest thing Ive ever read, period.

Gibbs made a very stupid mistake, attacking Obamas base two months before a midterm. He should resign, sooner than later.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

101. Because he pissed off two percent of the electorate?

While ten percent in the middle are actually applauding Gibbs for kicking some ass?

Brilliant Strategy.

Hey, Captain! I've got an idea! Why don't we steer RIGHT TOWARD THE ICEBERG?

[tallahasseedem]

92. What a drama queen...

The Palin campaign will welcome your support.

[Common Sense Party]

96. What's wrong with being drug addled?

:shrug:

[Hansel]

98. Your a professional in the media? Who knew? nt

[NoPasaran]

99. Gibbs was only echoing my sentiments from last week

Sorry, no link. Post was deleted.

[CTLawGuy]

100. when is your radio show on?

or in what paper do you publish your column?

[Whisp]

102. I could tell you more directly but it's against DU rules...

plus the big rule of you don't shit where you eat, someone should tell you about that one too.

[ncteechur]

103. Bullshit. Gibbs was speaking for himself not as press sec. Give it a rest already.

I don't recall Gibbs losing the ability to have his own opinion when he became press sec.

[RBInMaine]

104. He only told you to fuck off if you are out there constantly saying Obama is like Bush. If not, he

isn't talking to you.