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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 07:58 PM
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Dark Horse GOP Prez candidates for 2012/2016-The Well ain't totally dry, but close.
Edited on Sat Dec-05-09 08:18 PM by FrenchieCat

#1 Sen. John Thune, South Dakota



Tall, young (1961), and slender

Married for 25 years (1984), both his wife and he are committed Evangelical Christians.
They have two daughters, Brittany and Larissa.

Thune graduated with a B.A. degree in Business from Biola University, an Evangelical Christian college near Los Angeles in 1983. Thune received an MBA from the University of South Dakota in 1984.

Worked in Reagan Administration in the Small Business Administration
Thune was appointed Railroad Director of South Dakota by Governor George S. Mickelson and served from 1991-1993. Between 1993 and 1996, he worked as a member of the South Dakota Municipal League.
In 1996, Thune was elected to South Dakota's at-large seat in the United States House of Representatives; he won reelection in 1998 and in 2000 was reelected with over 70% of the vote. Thune supported term limits and promised to serve no more than three terms in the House.

Keeping his pledge, Thune instead ran for the United States Senate, challenging Senator Tim Johnson in 2002, and losing by 524 votes (0.15%).

Between 2002-2004 Thune worked as a lobbyist for the Dakota, Minnesota & Eastern Railroad.

In 2004, he again ran for the Senate, this time challenging incumbent Tom Daschle, at the time the United States Senate Minority Leader and leader of the Senate Democrats.

The race was the most expensive Senate race in 2004, with $30 million spent, and the most expensive in South Dakota history.

Soon after arriving in the Senate, Thune wrote language into a transportation bill expanding the pot of federal loan money for small railroads, enabling his former client to apply for $2.5 billion in government financing for its project.<9>

As a U.S. Senator, Thune also took a leading role in formulating energy policy. He pushed for the final passage of a comprehensive energy bill, which finally overcame a series of Democratic filibusters and passed the Senate in 2005. Thune helped pass another energy bill in late 2007. Thune is a particular advocate of ethanol and wind energy, which are linked to South Dakota's high levels of corn production and its windy prairies. Thune's hometown of Murdo is considered one of the windiest towns in the nation.

Thune also sponsored an amendment (No. 1618) to a troop support bill (S. 1390) in the Senate in July, 2009 that would have created a federal law allowing concealed carry weapons owners to enjoy interstate reciprocity of this right. Despite the support of prominent blue dog Democrats in the senate, the bill was defeated narrowly (58-40).

MY Take: He's attractive (to some), smart, soft spoken, and well heeled. He isn't perceived as an extremist, but is not moderate (The American Conservative Union gave Senator Thune a rating of "100" in 2006). Before the selection of Sarah Palin, Thune was mentioned as a possible Vice Presidential pick for Republican Presumptive Nominee John McCain in some circles due to his strong Conservative policies. Thune publicly played down the speculation.

He has been mentioned as a possible prospect for a presidential run in 2012


For the Republican, considering everything, he's as good as they will find.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Thune#Early_life_and_family






#2 - Rep. Mike Pence, Indiana 6th District



Prematurely Grey, young (1959), and relatively attractive

He attended Columbus North High School and graduated from Hanover College with a B.A. and the Indiana University School of Law - Indianapolis with a J.D.. After completing his education he was a practicing attorney and radio talk show host, based out of then WRCR-FM (now WIFE-FM), Rushville, Indiana (which means he knows how to run his mouth).

He served as President of Indiana Policy Review. He and his wife Karen have three children.

Pence ran unsuccessfully for Congress in 1988 and 1990, losing to longtime Democratic incumbent Phil Sharp. By 2000, however, it seemed the district had become much friendlier to Republicans, and Pence was handily elected after six-year incumbent David McIntosh opted to run for governor of Indiana.

His first term in Congress began in January 2001. The 6th District comprises all or portions of 19 counties in eastern Indiana, and was numbered as the 2nd District during his first term in Congress. He has been reelected four more times. In the 2006 House elections, he defeated Democrat Barry Welsh. He was listed as one of the top ten legislators by Esquire magazine in 2008.

He currently serves as Chairman of the House Republican Conference (caucus) for the 111th United States Congress: After defeating Rev. Barry Welsh in the 2008 House election, Pence was elected by the House to become the Republican Conference Chairman, the third highest Republican leadership position. He ran unopposed and was elected unanimously. He is the first Representative from Indiana to hold a House leadership position since 1981.

He is also a member of the Congressional Internet Caucus. and co-chair of the Congressional Task Force Against Anti-Semitism.

Mike Pence was mentioned as a possible candidate for President in 2008. However, he did not run for President. In June 2009, an MSNBC political blog listed him as one of a dozen or so possible Republican candidates for President in 2012. That month, the Des Moines Register reported that he planned to visit the Cedar Rapids, Iowa area in late July.

MY Take: He's attractive (to some), not so smart but well heeled. He isn't perceived as an extremist, although he is.

He has been mentioned as a possible prospect for a presidential run in 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Pence#Early_life_and_family





#3 - General David Howell Petraeus
(may make a better Vice Presidential Pick)




born November 7, 1952) is the 10th and current Commander, U.S. Central Command. Petraeus previously served as Commanding General, Multi-National Force - Iraq (MNF-I) from January 26, 2007 to September 16, 2008.<1> As Commander of MNF-I, Petraeus oversaw all coalition forces in Iraq. Petraeus was the General George C. Marshall Award winner as the top graduate of the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College—class of 1983. He subsequently earned a M.P.A. degree (1985) and a Ph.D. degree (1987) in International Relations from the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton University. He later served as Assistant Professor of International Relations at the U.S. Military Academy and also completed a fellowship at Georgetown University. He has a BS from the U.S. Military Academy—class of 1974—from which he graduated as a distinguished cadet (top 5% of his class).

In 2009, he received the American Legion's Distinguished Service Medal, the Atlantic Council's Military Leadership Award, the Union League Club of Philadelphia's Abraham Lincoln Award, the National Father's Day Committee's Father of the Year Award, National Committee on American Foreign Policy's George F. Kennan Award, the National Defense Industrial Association's Eisenhower Award, the Office of Strategic Service's William Donovan Award, the No Greater Sacrifice Freedom Award, and the Congressional Medal of Honor Society's Distinguished Citizen Award. He was also named as one of the "75 Best People in the World" in the October 2009 issue of Esquire.

a poll conducted by Foreign Policy and Prospect magazines selected Petraeus as one of the world's top 100 public intellectuals. Also, the Business Executives for National Security awarded Petraeus their 2008 Eisenhower Award. Also in 2008, the Static Line Association named Petraeus as its 2008 Man of the Year, and Der Spiegel named him "America's most respected soldier." As 2008 came to a close, GQ (December 2008) named Petraeus as the "Leader of the Year: Right Man, Right Time",
Newsweek named him the 16th most powerful person in the world in its December 20, 2008 edition, and Prospect magazine named him the "Public Intellectual of the Year". In 2007, Time named Petraeus one of the 100 most influential leaders and revolutionaries of the year as well as one of its four runners up for Time Person of the Year. He was also named the second most influential American conservative by The Daily Telegraph as well as The Daily Telegraph's 2007 Man of the Year. In 2005, Petraeus was selected as one of America's top leaders by US News and World Report.

General Petraeus was diagnosed with early-stage prostate cancer in February 2009 and underwent two months of successful radiation treatment at Walter Reed Army Medical Center. The diagnosis and treatment was not publicly disclosed until October 2009 because Petraeus and his family regarded his illness as a personal matter that did not interfere with the performance of his duties.

Some news reports have speculated that Petraeus may have interest in running for the presidency. Despite these accounts, Petraeus has categorically asserted that he has no political ambitions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Petraeus



NOTE: I could not locate any woman who could be seen as a serious Republican candidate for the Presidency at this time.





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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:09 PM
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1. Too bad they've got bad histories - voting histories, miltary decisions.
None of them qualifies or will pass the teabaggers' purity test.

Hawkeye-X
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:12 PM
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3. I think they actually would pass.......
None are moderates or even close.

Thune, when he ran against Daschle in '04, emphasized social issues such as abortion and same sex marriage, and flag burning to highlight the differences between his views and Daschle's, stating, "Two-thirds of the people in South Dakota are in favor of protecting marriage through a Federal Marriage Amendment. You know, two-thirds of the people in South Dakota, probably higher than that, are in favor of an amendment to protect the American flag. You know, the Second Amendment, gun owners' rights, abortion – those are not wedge issues in South Dakota."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Thune

He's evil alright....just enough to pass muster with teabags.
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Powdered Toast Man Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:11 PM
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2. It may not be completely dry...
But come one now. They're no more than a couple drops.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:14 PM
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6. True. I just don't want the Democrats to "think" that somehow
Palin, Gingrich and Lou Dobbs is all that they have.

I think they are putting the clowns in front,
and bidding their time.

Barack Obama wasn't even thought about in the first year
of Bush's 2nd term.

Just sayin'! :shrug:
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Powdered Toast Man Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:19 PM
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7. Of course not.
There will be a race, and the Reich Wing will be very pissed and motivated to turn out. But as long as the economy turns around and we get some REAL healthcare reform passed, Obama should be in good shape.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:44 PM
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11. Good point, but I see their base insisting on Palin on the ticket 1 or 2. Thune can appeal
to the base with God, Guns, Gays(anti) and Flags but she has the republican women, birthers and teabaggers wrapped up IMO. Thune needs to establish himself as a birther/racist/teabagger to compete with her for their nomination.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 03:19 AM
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16. I think you are right -
Keeping the real movers off the stage so oppo research is minimal....
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 07:52 AM
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18. I think you are right.
They are putting the clowns out front. Hey, expect nothing but deception form the Republicans because that is what you will get.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:27 PM
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9. Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 05:39 PM
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31. No more than a couple of drips, too.
:)
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:13 PM
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4. Obama landslide, anyone?
:)
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:14 PM
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5. k/r
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:24 PM
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8. Thune is about as close to a living representation of a Ken doll as I've ever seen. n/t
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Garam_Masala Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 01:49 PM
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25. Thune is also taller than Obama! eom
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iceman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 08:13 PM
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36. John Kerry was a lot taller than Bush.
So was Al Gore.
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:37 PM
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10. Barack has it easy as long as the economy is doing OK.
It doesn't even have to be booming (which I doubt it will be.. he can only do so much in his first term).

As long as people are getting jobs, he's got it.

People are hurting now, and if they are better 3 years from now, they will vote for him reguardless of wars and social policies.


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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:05 PM
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12. Joe Scarborough's name has been bounced around. nt
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 09:20 PM
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13. Pence is a humorless dick. His physical appearance reminds me of --->
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 11:12 PM
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14. Republicans like that shit!
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Cobalt-60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 08:04 AM
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19. Roy Batty For President!
If he was decanted in the U.S. he would be a citizen.
But the short life span makes him a 1 termer at best.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 02:12 AM
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15. The Pukes got nothin'.
Pence, in particular, is monstrous. One of the most vile individuals to ever walk the halls of Congress.

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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 07:28 AM
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17. Thune looks like a used car saleman...
Edited on Sun Dec-06-09 07:29 AM by rasputin1952
Pence is downright creepy...looks like he should be staring in a window on a stormy night...:scared:

Petraeus has more decorations than a Russian Czar...:eyes:

edit: dumb typo...:blush:
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 12:48 PM
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20. Mitch McConnell
Gut feeling and a lot of experience watching his maneuvers (I'm from KY).

He's an improbable candidate and I may be alone in this thought--so far.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 05:40 PM
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32. One problem for him, though ...
He looks like a turtle.
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Garam_Masala Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 05:51 PM
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34. He looks badly constipated..eom
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iceman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 08:15 PM
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37. I wish he would run.
That would be like Clinton v. Dole, except Dole is more likable than McConnell.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 01:00 PM
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21. I distrust Rudy Guiliani for many of the same reasons I dislike Mike Pence,
but the things I vehemently distrust in Giuliani are in far greater proportion in Pence than in most Republicans, and I don't like any Republicans to begin with.

Asked to pick one word to describe Pence I would pick 'Himmleresque.'
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 01:15 PM
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22. You left out Kooch. According to 1/3 of DU he's going to mount a primary challenge and beat Obama.
Despite the fact that in the last elections, he couldn't get over 1% of the popular primary vote.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 01:36 PM
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23. I'm going with dark horses only.......
Not the obvious.
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Garam_Masala Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 01:46 PM
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24. I can tolerate these 3 better than Sarah Palin
Sarah scares nme...she is so weird and worse she is an airhead.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 02:18 PM
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26. Nope, I can not see President in any of their futuers....
Obama will be a 2 term President.
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That Is Quite Enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 02:25 PM
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27. Thune's an effing loser.
Despite the fact that he's just as unstable and horrendous as every other Republican in the country, a lot of Repubs I know claim that he's some sort of charismatic, moderate politician. I don't get it. :/

Just another one of the many reasons I'm ashamed of my home state.
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Bravo Zulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 02:55 PM
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28. Bu$h ran as genial, modest and nice,
and he delivered the most arrogant, corrupt and incompetent administration in history. With Thune’s K-Street and C-Street connections (the same that carried Bush into office), we can assume any Thune presidency would be similar. The problem with the Republicans is they have no ideas and their philosophy drove us into depression and imperialist war!
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 04:14 PM
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29. My governor, Mitch Daniels' name has been tossed around in some circles
In case you don't know him, he was Bush's budget director during most of his first term before he decided to run for governor in 2004. He ran and won re-election handily last year- a year in which Indiana also went (narrowly) for Barack Obama. He's fairly moderate- he hasn't focused his campaigns on divisive social issues and has actually expanded rights for GLBT individuals, at least in terms of hiring for state government jobs (much to the chagrin of our fundies). His focus has been, as you might expect from a former budget director, on economic issues. He is, a HUGE fan of privatization. He privatized highways, toll roads, TRIED to privatize the lottery, and the delivery of welfare services, however those efforts ultimately turned out to be a failure. He routinely lauds his efforts to "turn around" the Indiana economy and claims a significant budget surplus (which he insists on SITTING on) but he has been rather busy this past year CUTTING money for critical services, including child welfare services. He also did not give state employees raises last year and won't be giving them this year even while prices on everything continue to rise and the economy in general continues to flounder. If he runs, his focus will be on the economy and MIGHT get some attention if he can demonstrate that the economy in Indiana is doing better than that in the rest of the country come 2011/2012. OTOH, in terms of his personality, he is pretty bland and IMHO rather smug/arrogant, so that might cancel out any positives for him. Not to mention the fact that he was PART of the Bush (mis-)administration at one time to boot. At any rate, he's probably a LONG-shot.
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Garam_Masala Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 05:50 PM
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33. Good info on Daniels...eom
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Kitsune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 05:24 PM
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30. I think leaving Romney off the list is a mistake.
Especially with what is essentially his healthcare plan in MA being passed federally. Yay mandates. -.-

I'm quite serious, though. His only real snag, I think, would be his being a mormon, and that didn't hurt him as much as we thought it might last time around. I'm not sure the teabaggers would be on board, but I think the establishment would get behind Romney like they got behind McCain in 2008. He has the appearance of being moderate (without actually being so), he's wealthy and so can dump his own money into the race if need be, and most important of all he already has national name recognition from having been in the GOP primary.

The teabaggers will probably come down to Huckabee or Palin, depending on how much Palin alienates them between now and 2011.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 06:34 PM
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35. He's not a Dark Horse.....he's a transparent one! :rofl:
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