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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:34 PM
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So for those who aren't "enthused" on the upcoming elections and keep talking about it
What happens when we lose congress, since it is being repeated over and over again
that this is what will happen.

What then?
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nemo137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:36 PM
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1. That's just fear-mongering and it will never happen, and both sides dance to the same corporate
piper anyway. Or so I'm told.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:37 PM
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2. You are so right Frenchy
:kick:
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:37 PM
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3. Hmm, maybe the Dems will realize that they need us and actually throw us a bone or two.
You know, something like the public option or such.

Because quite frankly, most of us have been engaged in this vicious cycle of voting for the Dems time and again, hoping for the best and then getting burned. You would think we would learn, but I guess we're like moths to the flame.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:39 PM
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4. You won't get shit, cause the congress will be even more conservative......
Then what?
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:41 PM
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5. Well, again, hopefully the Dems will realize that they need the left in order to win
And perhaps, just perhaps they will actually act in their own self interests and throw the left a bone or two in order to get their support. This is, after all, what the Dems do for their DLC, centerists, corporate supporters, so it's only fair that we get in on some of that as well:shrug:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:44 PM
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10. You won't get shit.
period.

There's been plenty thrown at you that was good for this country.
You just wanted all that you wanted, and you didn't want any compromise.
That's why you've been pissed. For you, it's all or nothing, black or white,
etc...
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:50 PM
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18. What has been thrown at me?
I'm an unemployed teacher under a regime that has put public education under further assault. I am going to be subjected to a mandated monopoly where this is no public option or even price controls to keep premiums in check. My civil liberties, which were disappearing quickly, are now going further out of sight. And my gay brothers and sisters are opposed by a president who doesn't believe in gay marriage and who is letting highly qualified military personnel get canned over DADT while Congress dithers about whether it is politically expedient to repeal DADT. And speaking of military, with Iraq and Afghanistan, do you really want to go there?

What, exactly, other than an extra hundred back on my taxes, has been thrown at me(and frankly I would have rather that extra cash back would have gone for schools, but Obama had to yank out sixteen billion in school repair and construction stimulus funds to make room for even more tax cuts, the least stimulating economic tool).
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:52 PM
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20. You should vote Republican then......
I'm sure that will improve your life a whole lot.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:57 PM
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27. Standard stupid answer.
Rather than actually having the Democratic party reach out and do something, instead the left is fearmongered and herded into voting. Rachel Maddow how an excellent point last night, namely that it is better for people, better for this country and better for the Democratic party if they go out and actually earn people's votes and thus their respect rather than simply relying on fear to drive people to the polls. Wouldn't you want what is in the long term best interest of the party, or do you simply want short term gains, and ultimately lose it all as more and more people become completely turned off to politics?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:11 PM
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35. In 4 months time, there will be a vote.
we will either win or lose.
That is the Black and white of it....
The nuanced part is how laws are made,
and how shit gets passed,
and it is obvious that you don't give a shit
about that nuance.
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blueworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 12:48 PM
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118. what's nuanced about a filibuster proof majority or crap? n/t
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 11:21 PM
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73. You are right...dems in congress and Obama needs to wake up
with solid majority in both houses and control of White House,
they could not accomplish the most important thing affecting
every NON-RICH persons life....Health Care!

They passed a bill which has
ZERO controls over cost
Zero limits on premium increases
Zero controls over corporate profits
Zero Public option to compete with private insurers

Campaign cash won, public lost.

Yes, a wake up call is necessary and will be delivered on Nov 2, 2010.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 09:24 AM
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108. With people like you, I just might consider it.
It would be a first, but damn!

Did you write that book, "How to Win Voters and Influence People"? With supporters like you, the repukes don't need consultants.

You'll drive them all away.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:33 PM
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53. You don't know that ...
by the time the Health Care Legislation goes into effect there could be a lot of changes...As well as a lot of changes on your other complaints...


The way I see it, is that in his second term, the economy will be better, people won't be complaining as much and more could be done...that is if we don't goof off and let more repubs in there.


You've got to start thinking more long term...we've been under 30 years of repub control and we have to dig out and it's little steps at a time...we do what we can when we can...


I'm not worried about Obama doing the right thing, but I know it'll have to be incremental and we need more of a majority to counterweight the Nelson's and Lincoln's in there...

Reading Obama's books I learned - he is aware of the repression in our society and he had ideas of how to counter them...


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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 08:28 AM
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 09:32 AM
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111. When I used to run campaigns, we always had a rule of thumb.
Never turn away a volunteer. Even if they're disruptive or whatever. Give them a menial job that needs to be done, like going out and putting up campaign signs or something.

I wouldn't let a lot of these people near a campaign, out of fear that they might actually run into a voter. One of them opening their mouths could cost you 20 votes.

Leave them in the BOG, where they can massage each others hallucinations and superiority. We know who does the real work, and wins elections. And it ain't them.
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bornskeptic Donating Member (951 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 10:15 AM
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113. No price controls is nonsense.
Why do people keep repeating something so transparently false? All price increases of policies on theexchanges will have to be approved by Federal and state regulators. All policies have to achieve required MLRs, and every exchange will have at least one plan satisfying federal non-profit criteria, with which for-profit will have to compete. What type of price controls did you have in mind?
As for your complaint about the mandate, that doesn't make much sense either. I hope you find a job in the near future, but clearly if you were unemployed in 2014 you wouldn't be subject to the mandate unless you are independently wealthy, and if you had a job as a school teacher you would most likely have employer provided insurance, so the mandate would have no effect on you in that case either.
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 06:10 AM
Response to Reply #113
140. how about lobbyists' costs in MLR? think that's okay? Watch what
gets proposed in Seattle.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 05:54 AM
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89. We don't have shit now. Shit would be an improvement on what we have now ..................
Here's the thing. Everyone understands that no President can get everything the base wants. On the other hand, he needs to deliver something.

HCR is a total joke. It never solved the core of the problem: out of control rising health-care costs.

Finance reform is a joke. It never solved the core problem: speculation and over the counter derivatives.

Gitmo is still open. This doesn't even require Congress' approval to shut down.

The unPATRIOT ACT is still fully intact. In fact, President Obama renewed parts that were suppose to have already sunset.

These are the big issues, and everyone knows that Obama can not deliver on all of them, but he has to deliver on some of them.
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:22 PM
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47. You might want to look at recent history.
Carter was too far right, media slammed him all the time, base starts complaining, media starts promoting divide, we get eight years of Reagan.

Clinton was too far right, media slammed him all the time, base starts complaining, media starts promoting divide, we get eight years of Bush.

Obama is too far right, media slams him all the time, base starts complaining, media starts promoting divide, ...


I will bet you a thousand dollars this is three times and we are out. Because they will finish off what is left of this Country. It started under Reagan, got worse than imaginable under Bush, and will get even worse than imaginable if it happens a third time.

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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 06:01 AM
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90. More like LBJ
The divide started there and we got Nixon. We've been steadily moving right ever since. Gotta hand it to the right, they know their history. They literally took the position that they don't need to do anything, the left will hurt themselves.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 06:49 AM
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92. Hmm, sounds like the party needs to learn how to move to the left.
Apparently they haven't learned that lesson yet.
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 07:01 AM
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94. Perhaps you should try a new strategy
Your current one is a failure.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 02:31 PM
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125. Perhaps Obama should avoid being too far right then. n/t
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:43 PM
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8. Besides, it's not like we're getting shit now,
No public option, no wars stopped, no civil liberties for the LGBT community, on and on.

So, why not try something different. What we have been trying hasn't worked in a long, long, time.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #8
14. Perhaps you ain't getting shit,
and perhaps that's all you are concerned about.

Makes sense.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:53 PM
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22. Well, you know, we used to laugh at conservatives who voted against their own best interests,
But now you are expecting that those on the left, or teachers under assault, or the LGBT community, or anti-war folks, or those of us who value civil liberties and civil rights should do just that, vote against our own best interests. How fucked up is that?

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:13 PM
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37. The fact that you keep listing various folks.....
teachers who just got saved from being laid off,
and the LGBT community who didn't vote for a candidate who stated that
he supported Marriage equality, and Anti-War folks who didn't vote for
a candidate who said that he would end all wars.

They voted for their best interest in 2008,
and if the want to vote against their best interest now,
yes.....they will be doing what Republicans do.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 11:24 PM
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74. Teachers got saved and Food Stamps got cut by same amount.WOW
Edited on Thu Aug-12-10 11:26 PM by golfguru
Why of course the poor people contribute shit to campaigns.
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:28 PM
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50. Well, you know...
motherfuckers will learn that they need to go left to motivate us to support them. Even you surely would concede that 2010 is a better time to learn such lessons than say...2012?

The "Oh no, The GOP is coming" meme has gotten a little tired. If they want to see liberals turn out, they need to throw us a bone. I can't speak for others but I'd be just as happy to work for some liberal primary and general election candidate (or 3) in local elections come 2012 and leave moderate-centrists hanging that don't rep my interests anyways. They might be able to count on a vote but they sure as hell can not count on anything more than that.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 04:13 AM
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87. Or they could decide that they can't afford the 2-3% sliver of the left that splinters
because you never know when they're going to do it again or for what reason (or even which ones are going to splinter), and try to get 5-10% from the center. Actually some of the founding ideas of the DLC is based on this concept, that identity politics groups were making too many demands and it was impossible to get elected at all and do anything.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 06:52 AM
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93. I think that you need to do your math again
The left is larger than 2-3 percent. Much larger if you start doing something to attract in all those apathetic voters, who are overwhelmingly liberal.

As far as the DLC goes, apparently their ideas aren't working out too well now, are they. Sticking us with what is truly a two party/same corporate master system of government.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 10:03 AM
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112. I'm going by the percentage that splintered in 2000.
I doubt you'll see more than that actually vote third-party, especially since the ones who did vote third-party in 2000 largely backtracked in 2004 and 2008.

If these apathetic voters that you speak of were apathetic through the Bush* era, then they have made themselves too expensive. And if they didn't bother to try to vote for Kucinich in the primary, then Robert Gibbs was right in saying that they would not even be happy with Kucinich as president.

If the DLC is as powerful as you think, they can at least take credit for every policy that differentiated Clinton from Bush and Bush*, which is still more than Nader had accomplished through his splinter strategy.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 04:16 AM
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88. Also, if this strategy worked, you would not be complaining right now.
Because it was tried in 2000. If you are not getting what you want, then Nader's strategy failed.

Also, leftists claim that the Democrats lost in 1994 because they weren't left enough. I don't agree with this, but if you do, can you point out some examples that would indicate that congress eventually became more liberal due to the 1994 Democratic defeats?
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 10:17 AM
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114. This is the old marxist belief - make conditions so bad people will force a revolution!
Yeah right.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:42 PM
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6. Nothing,
everything will come to a standstill in Congress...


But then again, just like in 2006-2008 unemployment benies will not be extended, social net programs will not be funded and we'll be right back to where we were in 08...no consumers, no economy...


Repubs are supply siders...they have to start paying attention to the demand and why there isn't any...it's not from want, it's from no way to pay for the want...
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:43 PM
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7. Life goes on. As if our talking about it or not makes much difference.
Don't ever again even suggest that we should stop talking about progressive politics here, no matter where that leads us. That's the very point of this place.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:46 PM
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12. So you are telling me to shut up, and telling me what I can talk about?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:03 PM
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32. You told us to shut up. Any surprise that we might respond in kind? This is not a constructive
dialogue. It's how working relationships and friendships get broken up.

Who started this? All this crap was thrown into the fan by the White House after the Administration and Congress blew every major legislative initiative, and now are trying to scapegoat the left for the inevitable consequences. We can argue about how badly they blew things, but we will agree that no one is happy, except the GOP, a bunch of bankers, and corporate stooges.

We've been set against each other now. They don't deserve your loyalty. Or mine.

I'm sorry for that outburst, and that we've gotten to this point. I really am.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:20 PM
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:44 PM
Response to Reply #45
61. "So for those who aren't 'enthused' on the upcoming elections and keep talking about it . . ."
Edited on Thu Aug-12-10 10:57 PM by leveymg
You do see how someone might take that as an admonition to not "keep talking about it", in other words to shut up, don't you?

If that isn't telling us to shut up, I must have misunderstood. What were you trying to say? If you're telling us that we should "keep talking about it", I stand corrected.

But, that's really not the issue. It's why are we arguing about this? How did we get to this point? What do you think we can do about this situation, while we're still talking about it?

Do you really believe that if we just stopped talking about it, everything would be okay?

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:43 PM
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9. Obama already lost the independents
Both major parties need the independents to win elections!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:45 PM
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11. Obama's not running.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:46 PM
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13. He may not be on the ballot, but the economy still sucks!
and it is the economy that will drive voters to the polls or keep them away.

Nothing you or me can do about it!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:47 PM
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15. Fox news says the same thing.
Edited on Thu Aug-12-10 09:48 PM by FrenchieCat
Meanwhile they talk the economy down, have their business buddies sit on the money they have,
and have patsies do their dirty work all over the net...talking down every thing there is to talk down. Neat and easy.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:53 PM
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21. Fox doesn't have to talk the economy down. It is down!
Back in the real world, there are no jobs!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #21
28. 1/2 of the economy is about consumer confidence.....
confidence is not a tangible....
and words can talk it down.

There are no jobs because companies have decided to sit on their cash,
as have banks......due to uncertainty and wanting to pay back this
President for all of the regulations they will now have to suffer through.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:59 PM
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30. 100% of the economy is people having jobs
and bullshit from a spinmeister can't change that!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:18 PM
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41. Yeah. When was the last time this country was at zero unemployment?
Obama has increased government hiring.
He can't make the private sector do what they don't want to do.
He can't pull jobs out of his ass, unless he decides that this
country should become a socialist/communist country.

Laws are made by congress. How about that?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:40 PM
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57. A socialist government would have had full employment
A national public works program, like the WPA, would have been great to rebuild our cities and re-industrialize our nation.

A freeze on foreclosures and reduction of bank interest rates on credit cards would also be helpful.

Laws are made by congress. How about that?

Which law says that a President can order the assassination of American citizens?
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #57
75. You can't do those things cuz we don't have majority in congress
oops wait a minute...actually we do! Hmmm....
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:58 PM
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29. No, but he is the face of the party,
And when the face of the party is doing badly, the rest of the party does as well. That's politics 101.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:19 PM
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43. He'd be doing better if folks had his back instead of kicking him in the face,
while acting like victims.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #43
58. Loyalty is a two way street
and banning the importation of cheaper drugs from Canada was an act of disloyalty to the people that elected him.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:48 PM
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16. Then those who are bitching now will have something to really bitch about
Edited on Thu Aug-12-10 09:49 PM by liberal N proud
And so will the rest of us.



K&R btw
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #16
17. The professional bitchers will always bitch.
That's what they get paid to do......
and that's what drives traffic and
puts money in their pocket.

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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:55 PM
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23. But the about face on issue-after-issue should be of no concern?
I mean, come on, the list is so long as to come close to fraudulently representing yourself. Period.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:56 PM
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26. Tell me what he promised he would do in 20 months.......
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:12 PM
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36. Deadlines?
I haven't said a word about deadlines. I'll tell you that from day one Barack Obama has said one thing and done another. Did you expect a Republican Bush man at Defense? Did you expect Wall Street to run the show at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue? Did you expect Representative Sachs....err....Emmanuel to be WHCOS? Did you expect an economic team that almost exclusively are Washington retreads who caused the problems in the first place? No deadline required there, my friend. Those are decisions you can't take back. That's not the Barack Obama I saw in Iowa in 2007 and stood and cheered for.

Stop pretending he hasn't governed as one would expect a fiscally conservative Democrat to govern!
Stop pretending he didn't hand over the keys to Wall Street under Rahm, Rubin, on and on.
Stop pretending you don't think these grievances some of us have are without cause.
Stop blaming us and blame the president who fooled you...because whether you see it or not, that's exactly what he did.

Remember that speech in Denver at the DNC? Go watch it again. Tell me that's the same Barack Obama that's governing the country today.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:15 PM
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:18 PM
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42. I was just going to ask you the same thing, Frenchie.
What's hyperbolic about those FACTS? Tell me something I said in that post that was. not. true.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:28 PM
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49. For starters......
Did you expect Wall Street to run the show at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue?

Wall street ain't running the show so that's a lie....
If they had, Student loans would still be dealt with by private banks,
and there would be no financial regulations passed....and banks would
not have paid back the money, and credit card protections wouldn't have
ever been made into law.

Did you expect Representative Sachs.
Who worked for Sachs?


Emmanuel was a Clinton guy. Clinton was the last successful Democratic President to serve two terms.
I don't see the evil here that you do. You are being subjective, and that's why it's nothing more than Hyperbole.


Did you expect an economic team that almost exclusively are Washington retreads who caused the problems in the first place?

So Cinton was the real problem, not Bush, hey?


That's not the Barack Obama I saw in Iowa in 2007 and stood and cheered for.

The stimulus was nothing.
The fact that my daughter's medical coverage is cheaper for me is nothing.
The point that you keep saying the WH gave the keys to "wall street" is fucking
propaganda.

The President didn't fool you; you fooled yourself.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #49
55. BS again....
Insurance premiums are expected to go UP 10% in January.
The banking reforms were going through Congress - introduced in 2006.
Emmanuel worked for Sachs.

Do you call all of those Wall Street guys "outside-the-beltway" types?

"Change will never come to Washington from within Washington with the same old people running the show. Change must come from outside the beltway. From Iowa and Wyoming, Ohio and Maine. There are talented people all over this great country! If I fail you on this essential promise of hope and real change in Washington - hold my feet to the fire. Let me know, "Barack, you're out of line, here." (laughter) Change is coming! Change is coming! You can count on it!
- Barack Obama
October 2007 in Des Moines, Iowa
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #55
59. Insurance premiums were going to go up 29% a few months ago.
Emmanual worked for Sach, and? I worked for Bank of America.
does that give me the plague?

So, have you researched where each member of the Obama staff lived before coming to Washington?
Do you have some stats for me?
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #59
71. Were you this tough with critics of Bush supporters?
If I haven't outlined the general objections in a coherent way then I have failed. If you choose to ignore everything I have written and play games with my responses, then that tells me you fail at critical thinking. You don't have to agree with me, but you won't even accept that there are valid reasons for dissent. For one reason or another, you have chosen to accept everything being told you from the White House as the gospel truth while ignoring the obvious. Of course, to listen to the other side of all this - away from WH spin - you have been told you would be listening to, "Professional Leftists." In other words, believe only the official White House releases and Gibbs' words. Obama's words? Apparently they don't matter to you. And you know what? You're right not to pay much attention. They obviously never meant much anyway.
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 08:17 AM
Response to Reply #71
101. Silly question
Were we suppose to be tough with critics of Bush supporters? If 'Professional Leftists' are trying equate Obama to Bush, among other reconstituted memes of RW propaganda, then they're not worth listening to. We haven't chosen to accept anything from the WH as gospel, we have chosen to accept facts over fiction. While we look for actual quotes from the horse's mouth, many have accepted no named sources and conspiracy theories as gospel. Unfortunately, it's easier and faster to make shit up, especially when that shit fits your agenda. Opinion pieces from blogs and editorials have become the new journalism, while the corporate owned media spends 24 hours trying to convince you good is the new bad. Perhaps it's you that should pay better attention.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:30 PM
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51. Come on, Frenchie --- answer my questions! It's easy to blindly follow your leader isn't it?
You can't point to ***any*** of the Obama decisions that I listed as "hyperbole".... because they are facts.
I can respect people who support their officials on principle. But - there is no principle in this administration! It's made up as they go along and what he said as CANDIDATE Obama means ...... n o t h i n g.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:51 PM
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19. It means.....
Elections have consequences. It also means misrepresenting yourself as a candidate and governing as a different man also has consequences. I'm not responsible for what happens due to HIS alienation of important parts of the Democratic Party. In other words, you can't LIE as a candidate, govern as a corporatist and expect BLIND support. The consequences are from what caused the alienation -- not the other way around. Don't blame the eggs, the chicken was messin' around.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:55 PM
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25. We will all live with the consequences of your exaggerations, you keep it up!
He never said he was going to get what he campaigned on done in 20 months....
He never said he was going to come out of Afghanistan,
give you single payer, or nationalize the banks.

He ain't governing as a corporatist,
he's governing as a capitalist....cause that's what he is,
and he never said he wasn't.

Who lied?
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:02 PM
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31. You are deluding yourself
Edited on Thu Aug-12-10 10:04 PM by democrat2thecore
I never mentioned any of the specific issues that you did. It's issue after issue after issue. Health care reform that hands the power over to Big Insurance? With mandates to boot? Is that what he had in mind when he said he opposed mandates? Said we didn't need insurance reform, but reform of the health care system? When he said the problems would have to be solved from "outside the beltway" and then appointed the most INSIDE the beltway advisers in history? God, I could go on and on. It was bait and switch if there ever was such a thing in politics. But, of course, when anyone calls him on it - he sends his boy Gibbs' to complain about the professionals that point all of this duplicity out. Good old reform, hope, change - Rahm Emmanuel style! Don't blame me - I just believed the man and expected him to be the same person once elected.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #31
54. You are one big professional Left complainer billboard.......
and unfortunately, you won't ever find anything good to say about this administration.
I don't have a problem with that. I don't blame you for being who you are.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 11:19 PM
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72. Oh, I can tell you have no problem with me. Though, you're wrong in your assertion.
If anything, it's obvious you will never find anything to criticize within this administration. Unlike you, I do have a problem with that. You base your support for Barack Obama on smoke & mirrors and other things that can't be changed. I have no respect for that. And I don't mind telling you that. We couldn't stand the sycophants from the Bush years and we shouldn't tolerate them today.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 07:10 AM
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142. We're up to 20 months already? Time flies.
Hard to believe you're still trotting out that old canard.

Well, actually, not so hard.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:55 PM
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24. Probably an escalation in Afghanistan in 10 months.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:07 PM
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33. The people who don't vote
shouldn't complain about the outcome of the election. If you sit out the election and the worst happens then for the next 2 years just STFU.

Like it or not the world is run by those who show up.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #33
38. People that don't vote know the system is rigged
and they amount to nothing. The political system exist to preserve and protect the haves against social unrest brought about their greed.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:16 PM
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40. People that don't vote ain't got shit to say...now or ever.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:19 PM
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44. I don't think you will do as a volunteer to register new voters
you will frighten them away!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:39 PM
Response to Reply #44
56. Sure. It's all about me and what I'll do!
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #44
65. Seriously, her talking points are STELLAR! eom
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:57 PM
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67. Stellar like Westboro Baptist Church groupies are stellar
I have run across them on more than one occasion, and they only succeed in getting everyone pissed at them.
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 07:26 AM
Response to Reply #44
97. And you will?
'It's all rigged' is such a great sales pitch.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:26 PM
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48. Your Signature
"SINCE THERE IS ONLY SO MANY HOURS IN A DAY AND AN ELECTION COMING UP, I'M GONNA USE MY TIME PRODUCTIVELY TO KICK REPUBLICAN ASS.....EVERYTHING ELSE IS NOW BULLSHIT, IMO" - FrenchieCat 6-30-2010"



He said....as the sheep were led to the slaughter.

Wake-up! You're acting just like the Bush people did when none of us could figure out how they could stand such lies and duplicity. If it's OUR guys doing the lying it's STFU and just go vote! People are people and nothing Obama can do (or not do) will ever change how you feel --- for reasons we all know.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #48
52. I'm awake and living in the world where pain is all too real.
Where political realities won't go away just because you want to ignore them.
A world where the news media has a bigger bully pulpit than any one man,
including the President. A world where everyone wants everything,
but few are willing to actually do much to get it done, cause complaining is
so much easier to do.

The exaggerators, hyperbole peddlers and the entitled whinners will never ever feel
they are getting anything that they want. That's how they want it to stay....
cause to them, nothing makes any difference unless they can have the world
that they envision, and like my avatar, they want it right fucking now.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #52
60. You are not living in Greece, obviously!
Otherwise there would be some validity to your claim that you are "living in the world where pain is all too real."

The Greeks are saying 'No' to the bankers!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #60
64. Greece is why the recovery has slowed down.
Greece is where folks want it all,
and put it on the bill.....
and then the bill came due.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #64
68. You don't know anything about what is happening in Greece!
That much is clear!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #68
70. Well, if I recall, you're the smart one around here......
or so you say.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 11:44 PM
Response to Reply #70
76. I know what the situation is in Greece, from the workers' point of view
and how the international bankers cheered when the Greek government used force to put down a strike by truckers.

The social unrest in Greece will also happen in America.
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JoseGaspar Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 03:43 AM
Response to Reply #64
86. You are repeating a very, very reactionary meme about Greece.
Greece is actually a place where the Conservative Party was in power and gave away the entire country to its rich corrupt friends and the banks...

... just like here.

And then the Socialist Party (PASOK) came to power and forgot where they came from, and started lecturing the poorest Greeks about "austerity" and "how things work"...

... just like here.

And then the Greeks started abandoning PASOK in droves and the Party started to come apart at the seams...

... just like...

Never mind.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:54 PM
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66. For someone supposedly committed to spending all her time "kicking Republican ass"
You spend a lot of time on DU punching hippies. Just saying.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 11:09 PM
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69. What makes you think I'm not a hippy?
And what makes you think I'm beating up on anyone?

My....what a Martyr complex!
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 12:57 PM
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119. Vote or lose your First Amendment rights? Is that what you're saying?
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:22 PM
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46. Actually - unfortunately - it's determined by those who DON'T show up. -nt
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:09 PM
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34. Lots of hand wringing and surprise when many Democrats move farther to the right.
Shouldn't be a surprise because that is what will happen.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:46 PM
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62. Beatings will continue until morale improves! eom
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 12:24 AM
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77. What will happen? You'll get to put up a lot more posts like this
Blaming anyone but your President and his adoring fans for their failed political strategery.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 12:29 AM
Response to Reply #77
78. It is a sensible strategery!
Let's give credit where credit is due!
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 01:58 AM
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80. I guess we'll get to see the results of the chess match
:shrug:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 12:36 AM
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79. Shouldn't you be spending more time away from DU and in helping Barbara Boxer?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 01:58 AM
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81. Barbara doesn't look as dreamy in a swimsuit.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 02:17 AM
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83. ....
:rofl: :thumbsup:
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 08:29 AM
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105. ...
:rofl:
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 09:31 AM
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110. +1
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 02:47 PM
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129. ...
:spray:
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bkozumplik Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 02:16 AM
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82. then our party learns n/t
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 07:01 AM
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95. Didn't learn in 2000 or 2004.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 02:49 AM
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84. What do you mean lose congress?
We don't have congress now.
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 06:17 AM
Response to Reply #84
141. THAT seems more to the point. Corporations have Congress. Let
them have it.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 02:59 AM
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85. Maybe people like you will learn that settling for "pretty good"
isn't what gets people elected. Maybe the crowd will see that being right-lite won't get the votes. In a choice between right-lite and right, conservatives will vote right. Without doing something to get the base vote, you can't expect to win.

Some of us really want a president who looks good in a swimsuit AND leads us towards progressive goals. If we can have only one, it ain't the swimsuit that gets the most votes.

Of course you could always use the strategy of telling people how stupid they are, how lucky they are to get spit on by their leaders. That always gets votes.

It is actually posts like yours that does the most to drive people away from voting for Obama. I know it makes you feel all special and warm inside to know that you are his special, special defender and that you really told us silly-biillys off for him. But if you really cared about getting him elected, you would stifle your need to feel smugly special and actually court our votes. But that would make you feel so special now would it.
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 07:35 AM
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98. Tell me again
How many elected officials who won't settle for 'pretty good' are in a position to make a difference? Oh snap, I forgot they're almost extinct for failure to get anything done.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #98
136. Chuckeliscious.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 07:56 AM
Response to Reply #85
100. This post is what they are referring to when people say
Don't let perfect be the enemy of the good
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 02:12 PM
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121. Basic civility is not a form of perfection. It's what most kids learn before they hit kindergarten.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 03:57 PM
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134. You have a different definition of "good" than I.
I would be happy with good. What we have is not good. At best it is "sort of not all as bad as it might have been". Your "good enough" isn't.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 08:22 AM
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103. +1
They dont even get that it is this kind of stuff that is driving Liberals away from the voting booth, they wont be happy until the Republicans have everything, it seems like.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 03:59 PM
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137. They don't care.
All they want is to feel special close to the dreaminess. Fiddle dee dee. Tomorrow is another day.
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ProgressOnTheMove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 06:06 AM
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91. You keep fighting the good fight Frenchie. I don't get how some feel thowing the towel is the best..
Edited on Fri Aug-13-10 06:18 AM by ProgressOnTheMove
Answer. We have to fight and fight and fight but mostly the other side we're in a struggle against monopoly corporations and if we retreat we lose forever. Citizens against united tels us they want eberything if we go home they'lltake it.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 08:30 AM
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106. People are doing the OPPOSITE of throwing in the towel
They aren't capitulating at all.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 02:16 PM
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122.  Standing up for the basic respect owed to voters is not throwing in the towel.
And threatening people who stand up for themselves is not fighting a good fight. It's just bullying.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 07:14 AM
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96. Eventually "pragmatic" "liberals" and "sensible centrist" will join professional liberals in
demanding real change-rule of law, environmental stewardship, economic justice, liberty, equality, and peace.

That or make their way elsewhere out of frustration with futility.
Neither leadership nor Republicans is at the heart of the brakes on real progress, its not even the power brokers and robber barons at the foundations but rather it is the "pragmatic" that refuse to hold some kind of line.

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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 10:21 AM
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116. Pragmatic Obama supporters know about Republican obstructionsim
I hope that people understand that a professional liberal is a 6 figure pundit whose ratings drive the drumbeat against Obama
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 01:40 PM
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120. Ok, then I bet you can name some examples of who in that class is beating those drums
Schultz? Maddow? Hartman? Olberman?

Who are these highly paid pundits that are saying Obama is the same as Bush and demanding the Pentagon lock the doors?

That is why this spin is an obvious lie. No one meeting the lame explanation matches the rhetoric.

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John Agar Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 07:45 AM
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99. If we lose the House, it will be because of Jobs and the economy.
Don't get me wrong.

Gibbs' remarks were not helpful.

They will do nothing to improve turn-out, that is for sure.

But the economy is what is really driving this.

I think it is a simple of matter of the public expecting better by this point in time.

Until jobs return, it will be a tough playing field for our candidates.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 08:22 AM
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102. Then we swing. Back and forth, back and forth as we have for decades.
As for me, I plan on supporting only the most progressive of candidates, whether they are my representatives or not through money, time and blogging.

I will no longer choose "right" over "righter". I will not choose the lesser of two evils. That's the paradigm we've been conditioned to believe is unchangeable... and I refuse to accept it any longer.

If none of the major party candidates represents the issues important to me, then I choose to vote for a third party candidate. Because either way, my issues lose... but at least I'm voting for a candidate I can feel good about and that doesn't publicly degrade me.

There are some things that are no longer negotiable. I want my full civil rights. And telling me separate, but equal is the goal is un-fucking-acceptable. And bigoted. And small minded. And wrong.

In short, I'm tired of being told to take what I'm given and shut up and like it. For two years, I allowed myself to rest. To be complacent.

Time to fight the good fight.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 08:56 AM
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107. What happens when you let Meg get to Sacramento?
I looked at all the CA polls. You and I both know that CA voters are always hard to please. I offer to you a quick look at election highlights in CA recently. For you, we start with the fact that CA failed to deliver delegates to Obama. Now, critical old me, lefty me, my state went to Obama. What happened there in CA, with all your 'support'? Then, CA passed Prop 8, and if it were not for Democratic votes, it would not have passed. Voted to revoke existing rights from neighbors, the State did. CA recalled Davis for telling the truth, then elected Arnie, twice, complaining all the while that the Democrats were 'boring, dull, lack luster'. So 4 years of Arnie did not send the message. Let's not forget Meg's campaign manager, Pete 'Pito' Wilson, another grand governor, the one who paved the way for AZ's current racism, and who is still respected in CA enough to assist Megabucks.
I will also say that for all your mounting of the podium, you yourself have posted 'who cares' posts about the upcoming, saying 'let the house burn down' and the like, over things that have zero to do with Boxer, Brown or your more local Democrats. Your own posts have been the leaders of the 'I will not bother' pack. Burn it down, you said. And I wondered at the time about your work for CA Democrats.
What I want is for you in my home state of CA to get out the vote, and elect our candidates. There are many activities that help that to happen, others that do not.
Again, if you lose Congress, those of us who retained and added Democrats will not be saying 'we lost' but rather, what the hell, CA? What happened to you again?
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 10:19 AM
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115. I agree, we must get out the vote in California
and educate the voters cuz Meg will be slamming the tele with lies.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 09:27 AM
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109. fearmongering -- it's what's for breakfast!
:eyes: :yawn:
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 12:10 PM
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117. You may think you're helping him, but you are really doing the President a disservice.
Yikes. :scared:
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 02:30 PM
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124. Yeah, bitching about nothing is much more constructive and helpful.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 02:29 PM
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123. Kiss repeal of DADT, DOMA goodbye. And possibly see amendment
Edited on Fri Aug-13-10 02:29 PM by Phx_Dem
to the Constitution prohibiting gay marriage. At least then, they'll have something legitimate to bitch about. But not really, because they will have brought it upon themselves (and sadly, the rest of us too).

Also,

No liberal Supreme Court justice to replace Ginsberg if the GOP is running the confirmation show, and

Repeal of HCR and possibly financial reform. But that's okay, cuz the complainers didn't like tose bills anyway.

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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 02:34 PM
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126. You seem obsessed with gays in your post. I don't see how Frenchie's OP was talking about that.
:shrug:
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 02:44 PM
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128. How so? Mentioning gay issues that are important to all Democrats,
Edited on Fri Aug-13-10 03:12 PM by Phx_Dem
and, specifically, progressives makes me obsessed? Sounds more like you're just looking for something to bitch about. But what else is new right?

Edited to add: After reviewing Obama's list of accomplishments below, if I could think of anything else to add besides the gay issues, which have not been sufficiently addressed, I would have included them too in my initial post. That does not make me obsessed, but it does make you a jerk.

- Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending
- Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices
- Instituted enforcement for equal pay for women
- Beginning the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq
- Families of fallen soldiers have expenses covered to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB
- Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information
- Ended media blackout on covering the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB; the media is now permitted to do so pending
adherence to respectful rules and approval of fallen soldier’s family
- The White House and federal government are respecting the Freedom of Information Act
- Instructed all federal agencies to promote openness and transparency as much as possible
- Limits on lobbyist’s access to the White House
- Limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration
- Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date
- Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren’t even used or needed in
Iraq/Afghanistan
- Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research
- Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research
- New federal funding for science and research labs
- States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards
- Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect
- Funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools
- New funds for school construction
- The prison at Guantanamo Bay is being phased out
- Saved GM -- now reporting profits for first time in years
- Passed the largest economic stimulus plan in U.S. history
- The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying
- Passed financial reform bill
- The secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed
- Ended the previous policy; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with theGeneva Convention standards
- Better body armor is now being provided to our troop
- The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010
- Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols -- signed deal with Russia.
- Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic
- Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions
- Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office
- Successful release of US captain held by Somali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job
- US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast
- Tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles
- Cash for clunkers program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulated auto sales
- Announced plans to purchase fuel efficient American-made fleet for the federal government
- Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children
- Signed national service legislation; expanded national youth service program
- Lifted travel restricted on Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return home to visit loved ones
- Ended the previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions
- Expanding vaccination programs
- Immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters
- Closed offshore tax safe havens
- Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals
- Ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back
- Ended the previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry’s predatory practices
- Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources
- Lower drug costs for seniors
- Ended the previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings
- Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel
- Improved housing for military personnel
- Initiating a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses
- Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other military hospitals
- Increased student loans
- Increased opportunities in AmeriCorps program
- Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy
- Established a new cyber security office
- Beginning process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force; this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and cyber units and operations, etc.
- End previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts
- Ordered a review of hurricane and natural disaster preparedness
- Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the federal government money and making federal operations more efficient
- Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their loans refinanced
- Improved benefits for veterans
- Many more press conferences and town halls and much more media access than previous administration
- Instituted a new focus on mortgage fraud
- Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules
- Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports
- Authorized discussions with North Korea and private mission by Pres. Bill Clinton to secure the release of two Americans held in prisons
- Authorized discussions with Myanmar and mission by Sen. Jim Web to secure the release of an American held captive
- Made more loans available to small businesses
- Established independent commission to make recommendations on slowing the costs of Medicare
- Appointment of two women to U.S. Supreme Court -- one being the first Latina
- Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans
- Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000
- Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan'
- Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan
- New Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing and prioritizes aid, development of infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices by Afghans
- Announced the long-term development of a national energy grid with renewable sources and cleaner, efficient energy production
- Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters
- Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters out of his own pocket
- Held first Seder in White House
- Deported nearly 400,000 illegals with criminal past
- Has announced his intention to push for energy reform
- Has announced his intention to push for education reform
- Banned offshore drilling until parameters for deep well safety procedures are clarified.
- Put a hold on Artic oil exploratory digging until environmental impacts are clear.
- Signed order giving benefits to government employed same sex partners
- Signed Lilly Ledbetter Act improving women's right to sue employers for pay discrimination
- Signed order giving benefits to government-employed same sex partners
- Signed law meant to improve the ability of women who allege pay discrimination to sue their employer.
- Signed Matthew Shepard Act, a hate crime bill
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 02:57 PM
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130. Damn! My crystal ball is in the shop. n/t
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 03:39 PM
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131. perhaps you should see the front page of AOL today? Or talk to the teachers who came to my house
today.

Arrogance and smug are not winning votes for the dems, I will tell you that quite clearly!
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 03:41 PM
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132. perhaps telling part of the party to go fuck off was not helpful?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 03:51 PM
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133. someone in this White house should have thought long and hard about your questions before letting
loose and calling the base Retards and druggies!

It wasn't just we " Professional liberals " that heard it on Cable and the news, some of our grand kids and children heard it too!

For that, there is no forgiveness.

You don't keep beating this lady up and expect I will go back for more..no thank you.

Somewhere with abuse, someone must stop the cycle!

This is abuse.
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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 03:57 PM
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135. Here’s the thing
President Obama IS the leader of the party. Be it figurative or Literal – He is the leader.

What I can’t wrap my head around? Sitting out an election – and holding the perceived action/inaction by the administration prevent us from gaining or holding a single seat.

Let me explains what happens when you do this: You get a Governor Christie in NJ. The number of people that actually VOTED in that election was rather small . . . and not nearly as reflective of the numbers at the polls just one year earlier. Why? A lot of folks just sat home. Look – I DETESTED Governor Corzine. Seriously. But I knew the Devil I Know was far better than the Friend of Rove I Didn’t Know.

Think about that.

If you have a chance to vote for Rob Miller in South Carolina (Running against You Lie Wilson) – Why wouldn’t you?
If you could vote for Tarryl Clark in MN against Bat Shit Crazy Bachmann – Why wouldn’t you?
If you could vote for Ed P in NJ and oust Leonard Lance – Why wouldn’t you?

I don’t see why any of those three candidates – outsiders – non professional politicians should be punished because one did not get precisely what they want from the current Congress and Presidential Administration?


Gotta be honest. I’d cry tears of joy if we held onto every seat in the house and UPPED our TRUE LEFT Senate to 63. Know why? Now we have a year and a half of Republicans whining: 60, 60, 60.

They throw it back in their faces and say: Go play in the sandbox with Lincoln and Nelson. You don’t GET to participate in the process. And it would be a collective “Fuck You” to the administration. You know - the one lead by President Obama. He said "make me". Let's make him. And if he obstructs that OVERmajority - then "now we know" - He's gotta go in '12 and we run a Congressman with Guts.

It goes back to the “Make me statement”. You know – those were fighting words. Well I’m ready to fight the President and give him a bunch of hardcore liberals who only give a damn about the people who actually work in this country, children, the elderly, the sick, the people losing their homes because of people like Carly Fiorina . . . On that note: If you are at DU AND you live out in CA – AND you state you are staying home this November? You punish Boxer who has solidly been in your corner for a looooooooong loooooong time. Think long and hard if you want to smack her in the face for a woman (Fiorina) who has a track record of hocking lugies in the face of Jane and John Worker in America.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 07:28 PM
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138. It is being repeated over and over. One of those repeating it was Gibbs.
Gibbs Concedes GOP Could Retake House in November

“There’s no doubt there are enough seats in play that could cause Republicans to gain control,” White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “There’s no doubt about that. This will depend on strong campaigns by Democrats. And again, I think we’ve got to take the issues to them.”

Gibbs’s comment came after a week of increased campaign activities by Democratic President Barack Obama on behalf of his congressional allies, including fund-raising and sharp attacks on Republican leaders. Gibbs reiterated some of the attack lines on Sunday, saying Democrats would tell voters that the GOP drove the country “into the ditch” when they had power in Washington and that they should not be elevanted again.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/07/11/gibbs-concedes-gop-could-retake-house-in-november/

First, he concedes the House to the Republicans. A month later he makes insulting inflammatory statements about the left. It's starting to look as if Gibbs likes the sound of Speaker Boehner.

Some in the House were none too pleased about Gibbs writing them off:

House Democrats were angered by what Gibbs said, and some accused the White House of asking them to make politically risky votes on the stimulus bill, health care reform, and climate change without backing them up in their races for re-election.

"What the hell do they think we've been doing the last 12 months? We're the ones who have been taking the tough votes," Rep. Bill Pascrell Jr, D-N.J., told the Washington Post.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2010/07/pelosi-calls-gibbs-comment-unfortunate.html
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 07:14 AM
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143. STFU, Take 235 -
ZZZZzzzzzZZZZZZzzzz
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 07:35 AM
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144. Just because I'm not enthused doesn't mean I won't vote.
Very few times in the 40 years I've voted have I actually been "enthused."
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