Allan Grayson:The republicans hate the President because he's black

[bigdarryl]

lets tell it like it is. I love this man he tells it like it is

[phleshdef]

1. When was this? Is there a clip yet?

[WI_DEM]

2. Why did they hate Clinton?

[Raster]

3. He wanted to be black.

[phleshdef]

4. Because he was cooler than them, almost the same reason if you think about it.

I kid.

[rufus dog]

11. I agree

They hate him and anyone that is not like them.

Being black with a funny name is just a bonus for the hate.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

25. They hated Clinton because he is a Democrat. They hated FDR, JFK, LBJ, Carter

Gore, Kerry, because they are Democrats.

They hate Obama because he is a Democrat; they LOATHE him because he's a black Democrat who is the president.

Don't deny it. Don't make excuses. And don't attempt to draw false equivalencies.

That's the truth!!

[vaberella]

40. + Thank you. n/t

[Lilyeye]

45. I agree. Just pay attention to some racist right wing nuts

some of their reasons for hating democrats stems from racism. They feel they're white guilt traitors who bend over backwards for minorities. To be an actual minority democratic President just made it worse for Obama.

[Jennicut]

57. Wow, you put it perfectly.

Obama has it even worse then Clinton did.

[angee_is_mad]

69. Thank you!!!

amazing how some people won't see want is right in front of their eyes.

[golfguru]

79. Obama is NOT black

He is half black and half white.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

81. Yes, biologically, he is indeed biracial or multiracial. However, race is a *SOCIAL CONSTRUCTION*

As long as this society treats him as a black man, he is black. Period!

Either you're being willfully ignorant because you don't want to admit that race has anything to do with Obama; or, you are incredibly naive.

This country is not over its obsession with race.

Please wake up.

[golfguru]

100. I am observing more mixed race marriages than ever

so race is fading fast as an issue.

Besides, Obama is lighter complexion than many caucasians.
So color is fading as an issue also.

[BklnDem75]

91. Obama identifies as black, so he's black

While more people are identifying themselves as biracial, Obama doesn't. The 'one drop rule' still applied while Obama was growing up. In many cases, though ruled unconstitutional, it still applies in many people's minds.

[whathehell]

97. As he put it, actually, people identify HIM as Black, so he does himself.

During the campaign someone asked him why he doesn't speak about his white background, which includes, of course, his mother. He responded "Because when people look at me they don't know my mother was white".

[BklnDem75]

101. In the end, he made a decision

It's the only opinion that really counts as far as his race goes.

[whathehell]

103. I guess I'm less of a relativist.

My feeling is that one's race (or gender or age for that matter)is not something one can really "decide" on.

It's not a question of "opinion"..It's a question of genetic fact...For instance, I'm sixty years old. I could (and often do) feel like a thirty year old, but that doesn't make it so. I am what I am and that's sixty.

I remember a sociology teacher of mine, a tall guy in his early thirties speaking on the limits of relativism. He said "I can get up here and say "I am a young French girl"..It doesn't make it so".

[BklnDem75]

111. Neither applies in this situation

He was born in the 60's environment, the height of the Civil Rights Era. Other than from his immediate family, he was treated as black. In my opinion, your environment and personal experiences has more to do with your identity than genetics ever will.

[AspenRose]

113. Biracial people in America who look more black than white do not have the

luxury to make that distinction. That decision is made for them by society-at-large.

And if you doubt that, consider Obama's answer to the Taxi Cab Test.

[uponit7771]

106. yeap

[Chulanowa]

35. When was Clinton ever painted as a Kenyan Muslim fathered in an affair with Malcom X?

[activa8tr]

51. I think I read that somewhere in a a redstate blog by either a guy named

Breitbart or Erik Erikson.... one of the two, I can't tell them apart.... they both speak of race hate so often.

[niceypoo]

109. Yes

[Dulcinea]

80. He got all the women.

I mean, who'd want anything to do with Tom DeLay, Dick Armey, Newt Gingrich or any of the other Repubs from that era? :puke:

They were JEALOUS!!

[whathehell]

98. That's what I always thought too....Jealous. n/t

[Alcibiades]

84. Good point

The fact of the matter is that they hate any Democrat, especially elected Democrats. Anything you are and anything you have ever said or done, or whoever you are, will be used against you.

But there is a certain amount of extra-special hate for Obama that can only be explained by racism. Oh, and Islamophobia. And nativism, and anti-intellectualism.

[cowman]

5. So according to Grayson

my oldest daughter is a racist because Pres. Obama is black? What an asshole. My daughter, whom I disagree with, dislikes him because of his policies, which is her absolute right as an american citizen. Labeling all repubs as racist is racist itself. What a complete asshole

[phleshdef]

6. If the Republican party doesn't want to be called racist, it should stop being so damn racist.

Of course not all Republicans are racists. But most of the racists lean Republican/Conservative. It that sense, his statement is 100% correct.

[cowman]

8. But he is labeling all

repubs as racist. I stand by my post, what an asshole.

[RichGirl]

10. Okay...maybe all republicans aren't racist...

But ALL republicans are assholes!

Of course Grayson didn't mean ALL...some republicans are black. He was speaking in general terms and in those terms he is 100% right. Under no circumstances is he an asshole.

[cowman]

16. So your saying

that my oldest daughter is an asshole?

[KingFlorez]

17. You really shouldn't take what people say on message boards personally

The Republican Party has shown itself to be very negative and self-serving, so the description is accurate.

[cowman]

22. When the poster

says ALL repubs are assholes, of course I take it personally because of my daughter, what else am I supposed to do?

[KingFlorez]

30. You obviously take this too personally

[Sheepshank]

92. hyperbole in this case

makes a point with a broad brush.....the fact that you are taking this down to the minutae, to a personal level doesn't make the OP as much of an asshole (or your oldest daughter for matter) it make you look like you want to manufacture some sort of outrage.

[phleshdef]

20. Look, if every bad thing said about Republicans is going to make you defensive over GOP fam. members

...then you are cruising the wrong website.

[cowman]

24. Most of the time

I am in agreement here but not when my daughter is labeled a racist or an asshole, not directly, but just the same.
Jeez, I need some more coffee and maybe a Xanax. Sorry for such compassionate posts.

[Wednesdays]

85. You call Grayson an asshole,

then you slink away whimpering because of "lack of compassion"?

Yeah, I agree...you're on the wrong message board.

[cowman]

87. If he's labeling ALL repubs as racist

then yeah he's an asshole, my oldest daughter isn't a racist or as one other poster hinted at, an asshole.
And where did I whimper?
I meant to say sorry for the passionate comments but when my daughter is labeled a racist or asshole then that gets my dander up and if you don't like it well tough shit.

[TheKentuckian]

62. Yes! That or stupid or both. Same as Reich wingers I'm related to. Next question

Just because you love someone doesn't keep them from being a bigot, an asshole, stupid, greedy, ignorant, or whatever else leads you to such a crappy philosophy.

You act like there is some shortage of such characteristics in the TeaPubliKlan party.

[angee_is_mad]

70. exactly! Remember Obama's grandmother?

He said that woman LOVED him with every fiber in her body, but she had issues with blacvk people.

[phleshdef]

12. When a Democrat refers to Republicans, it should go without saying that there are exceptions.

And vice versa.

[indepat]

13. I don't know why pubs seem to dislike BHO so much: surely it's not because his politics are not far

enough to the right for his politics are seemingly pleasingly far enough to the right to be pleasing to all but those in the fringe of the far right. :P

[KingFlorez]

14. You can't take the views of one person you know and apply them to this

Have you missed some of the signs held up at Tea Parties? And he hardly called all Republicans racist, so there's no need to get hyper-defensive about the Grand Old Party.

[cowman]

18. Yes

I have noticed those signs and I find them repugnant as does my daughter and she totally disagrees with the Tea Party. Just because she is a Repub doesn't make her a bad person, misguided, not bad or evil. Keep this name calling shit up like Grayson is doing is only going to piss off the the repubs who will come out to vote even more ferverntly.

[KingFlorez]

21. They don't need name calling to be motivated

They are motivated by their own hate of anyone who doesn't share their ideas. Somebody has got to call them out of their insanity and Grayson is smart enough to do it. Republicans say terrible things about Democrats, but you don't hear any of them saying that that is wrong.

[cowman]

27. And vise versa

Look, I remember when Politics wasn't so poisonous and the two partys actually got along together, what has happened in american politics is a tragedy and both sides are responsible for it.

[Sheepshank]

93. so if name calling is so abhorrant

regardless of what someone else is doing, shouldn't the person who is against such actions be practicing what they preach? I believe you called someone as asshole?

[cowman]

94. Thats right I did call Grayson an asshole

and for that I apologize, He is wrong about all repubs being against the pres because he is black, maybe the repub party, nt all repubs are racist and Grayson should apologize to repubs like my daughter who doesn't have a racist bone in her body. My wife and me taught our 2 daughters that all people are created equal and its ok to disagree with them based on their positions but never ever base their opinions on their skin color, gender, religion, or sexual orientation and both have taken that to heart.

[jaybeat]

38. Friends and family can support evil things

"Just because she is a Repub doesn't make her a bad person, misguided, not bad or evil."

Maybe not, but if she votes for or works for or contributes to GOP candidates (hardly any of whom will go on record opposing even the worst of the tea baggers, or Faux Noise), then I'm thinking we may have a distinction without a difference, at least politically. I'm sure she's very nice, but since official GOP healthcare policy is, in fact, to not get sick (if you don't have money, that is), and, if you do, to die quickly, I'm not sure how "nice" someone could be and support that sort of thing. Or pre-emptive wars against people who are no threat to us, sold using lies. Or tax cuts for the wealthy, sold to voters with the lie that it will help everyone. Or laws that make illegal to be brown in Arizona without papers. I don't think those things are "nice" at all--they're down right nasty, in fact. Hateful, mean, evil even.

I'm not trying to go on about your daughter, but at some point, we have to realize, that, if we end up with a President Palin and a brown-shirt army of teabaggers, we can kiss our freedom goodbye. And our friends and family who are Republicans helped make it happen, well, it won't be much of a consolation to say, "But they were such nice people!"

[cowman]

46. And people said that about Nixon and the right

said that about Kennedy and Reagan and all Pres. and yet our country has survived. I just have faith in the American People to make sure that doesn't happen. Maybe I am the eternal optomist.

[valerief]

23. America is a dump because of republicans. nt

[whathehell]

99. Agreed...If you were an adult when Reagan came to power, you know it

in more than intellectual fashion...You remember what America USED to be....It's a far cry from that now...almost like a foreign country and I do not exaggerate.

[Kweli4Real]

32. What a ridiculous remark ...

"Labeling all repubs as racist is racist itself."

No, it's not! Or maybe you just have a different definition of what racism is.

[vaberella]

41. I caught that too...I kept thinking is this someone screaming reverse racism.

And if so...that would mean this is a Black versus White thing in their mind.

[Lilyeye]

48. That is a typical right wing reply "you're a racist for calling out racism!!!"

[AspenRose]

114. Cut them some slack. Perhaps they weren't paying attention

when the GOP demonized latinos in AZ this past spring, and black people over the summer. Now they're after Muslims riding into the fall.

Nah, the GOP isn't racist. :sarcasm:


(And I'm married to a white republican who THANKFULLY sat out the 2008 election. Even HE saw the writing on the wall.)

There may be individuals who consider themselves republican and aren't racist (just as there are individual democrats who are racist), but the GOP's *platform and modus operandi* is totally racist. The "Southern Strategy" is called that for a REASON.

[harun]

33. Sorry dude, the GOP serves the interests of rich white people at the

expense of other groups. It is one thing to disagree with Obama's policies, which I disagree with some. But to be a card carrying member of the GOP today... well, you do the math.

[BklnDem75]

34. Did he say all?

I haven't seen the quote, but the assumption when it comes to statements like that is the majority. There's always exceptions, so try not read too far into his statement. He doesn't know your daughter personally.

[ooglymoogly]

73. For cripes sake cowman

Playing dressup in the drag of a red herring does not become you. A strawman scarecrow suits you much better. How bout the least modicum of logic in your posts.

[cowman]

88. WTF does your rambling post mean

I can't make heads nor tails of it

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

7. He'd better not apologize, either. Many of us have been saying this now for over 2 years!

That's why the standards are so high. That's why the bar has been set impossibly high. And that's why this president can't do nothing right!!!!

It's about race. Sadly, when we (people of color) make that assertion, we're called "hypersensitive" here on DU and elsewhere. But when someone of another race makes that assertion, he/she gives it credibility.

Way to go, Alan!

I wish more people had the courage to admit the truth.

[JustAnotherGen]

19. Tend to agree with you

Goes back to Ms. Sherrod. The 'jump' these days is that black and latina woman collectively have our boots on the necks of white men, are ruling the country, and are denying them their civil rights because we are 'racist'.

This statement by Grayson is just ONE more reason why I feel he needs to be in Congress.

And noooo - I don't feel ALL Republicans are racists or assholes or whatever.

But as a black female who was a college student in 1994 -


I DO remember how they took over Congress and painted young black women.

I also remember Willie Horton.

I remember Cadillac Queens

Just a few examples - they may not all be racists but their LEADERSHIP/Powers that Be just love using stereotypes and fear of the 'others' to to 'win'.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

29. You also remember how they treated Anita Hill. The maltreatment has no party...

You remember how Clinton treated Lani Guinier and Jocelyn Elders.

You also remember Ronald Reagan's "Welfare Queen," the mainstay of the Southern Strategy.

It's the same now.

The despicable way they treat Michelle Obama...

The new Southern Strategy is to depict every public policy as some kind of "government handout" or "welfare." Now, unemployment insurance is "welfare." The stimulus is "welfare." Health care reform constitutes "welfare."

Anything the government does is "welfare," and notice the projection: they accuse Obama/blacks of being racists because Obama "is doing too much for blacks against whites," when in reality, it is they who are race-baiting.

The problem is that they get the message out--always on the offensive--before our side has a chance to respond. And when we do react by responding, we are accused of being "hypersensitive." Well, we got our "black president." How dare us be offended by the racist rhetoric coming from the Right and some on the left. :puke::puke:

[AspenRose]

115. Yep.

*nodding*

[totodeinhere]

9. Of course there are many Republican racists. And some Democrats and independents are also racists,

but Republicans in general would hate Obama even if he were white or any other color for that matter.

[cowman]

15. My oldest daughter

who is staunchly republican, ugh, doesn't hate him, matter of fact she finds him quite charming and handsome, what she 100% disagrees with are his policies so I think that Grayson saying that repubs hate Pres. Obama because he is black is a racist statement. There are plenty of racists in this country and not all have an R in front of thier names.

[CakeGrrl]

26. The broad-brush is unfortunate; HOWEVER,

I'm for whatever slaps the Republicans in the face for their coddling of the largely racist Teabagger faction. If they want to lie down with THOSE dogs, they get the fleas too.

Of course, as others have pointed out, that doesn't absolve some members of the more 'mainstream' Republican party. We've seen too many examples since the inauguration of this president of racist "jokes" and statements being propagated/promulgated by Republican Party officials at local and state levels. National Repubs are probably more adept at staying under the radar.

[suzie]

31. Florida has a large number of voters in the middle who are registered independents, or NPA.

They really didn't like the racism they saw come out during the primary season.

Grayson is in a tough race--reminding this group that Republicans have tolerated the racism of the Teabaggers is a good way to appeal to these voters. If Republicans in other states want to take offense, they can always donate to Grayson's opponent.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

36. Exactly!

http://congressmanwithguts.com

[vaberella]

42. Does your daughter have any ounce of power in the Republican party?

If not...then he wasn't talking about her or to her. His entire commentary is to the Republican party he deals with. Everyone knows the citizens of the United States of any ideological background have a nice number of racists or just haters. Don't make this about yourself or your daughter and get over it. Because it never was.

Additionally, adding how she finds him handsome sounds like you're reaching.

[cowman]

47. I don't much give a fuck

if you think that sounds like reaching, thats what she thinks.

[vaberella]

49. It reeks of...

"My best friend is a Black man." It has no purpose in the argument. You're running around thinking that Grayson is speaking about voters while a good number of the Republican party American voters class themselves as teabaggers too. So it's not necessary.

Grayson is only speaking about the Repubs with power. And he would be right. Your daughter has no power other than her vote once a year for an elected official who does have power and therefore represents her. And most of those clowns are racist or use racism to their advantage which makes the racist.

Further more when you had stated in an earlier post that it's racist to say what he did say...makes much of the rest of what you say,weak as a viable argument.

[cowman]

50. the only reason

I mentioned it is to prove that my daughter is not a racist in any way, shape, or form and Grayson said repubs hate Pres Obama because he is black, not the repub party, but repubs, so once again, he's an asshole.
BTW my oldest daughter is a veteran of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Dept. and she is very tolerant, not your usual repub, she is pro choice, pro gay rights, pro 2nd Amend, wants smaller and more efficient govt. and accountibility of our govt officials.

[Fire1]

52. I "tolerate" alot of people and alot of things I don't like. That's

not proof of anything other than she's tolerant. Hardly grounds to declare someone "not racist."

[cowman]

55. How many fucking times

do I have to say it, SHE IS NOT A RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Fire1]

56. Rinse, repeat. All caps won't change it. n/t

[cowman]

58. So basically

you're saying that because my daughter is a repub she is a racist? Please tell me you aren't saying that.

[Fire1]

60. Ok. I won't tell you. n/t

[cowman]

61. Well?

are you or aren't you calling my daughter a racist? Try being honest.

[Fire1]

63. You said, "please don't tell me." So, I won't tell you. I see

that this can cause hard feelings b/c afterall, she is your daughter. So, let it go. It's not worth it. Remember, there are AA who are republicans, too! But we have other names for them.

[cowman]

65. You know

your right, I know, my wife knows, her other sister knows, she knows and all her friends know that she is not a racist despite what Grayson says, if he said that.

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[dionysus]

90. jesus christ what an ugly thing to say. tons of repukes are racist but damn...

[boppers]

78. *parties, *bye

Sometimes calling somebody racist isn't calling them names, it's stating a fact.

Sometimes facts are hard to swallow.

Sometimes they make us mad.

Since you have stated that your daughter is 100% against Obama, and there is no rational basis for such opposition, something non-rational must be the cause.

Maybe it's a hatred for skin color. Maybe it's a hatred for men. Maybe a hatred for Hawaiians. Maybe a hatred for children of foreign nationals. Maybe a hatred of all government.

I agree it's unfair to brand your child a racist. Her irrational hatred may have other causes.

[cowman]

86. so now she hates Pres Obama?

Where the fuck did you get that? So according to you if you oppose someones policy, you hate them? My daughter doesn't hate him, she finds him quite charming and well spoken, she just disagrees with his policies.
I may not agree with my daughters political leanings but I will defend her right to have them.

[BootinUp]

96. There are plenty of forum members who are

100% against Obamas policies, so she has company in that respect. lol.

[boppers]

112. I got it from #15. 100%. Not "mostly", 100%. That's not rational.

Is your daughter against being able to sue for workplace discrimination against women? Against encouraging kids to work hard in school? That's what 100% looks like, it's opposition to the point of absurdity.

[ooglymoogly]

75. You are right, some of them are Dino's nt

[FirstTimeVoterAt37]

28. How many "racist elements" are required...

...before it becomes the norm and non-racists become the "elements"? I'm frustrated by extremely pervasive racism getting a free pass by being disregarded as "racist elements". Do you suppose there might be something that attracts these "racist elements", or do you pick them up by not washing your hands or something?

*sigh* Is it wall to wall? Of course not, nothing on this entire planet is wall to wall. But there's enough... say... sunlight on the planet that I'm willing to accept it as the norm even though it seems to go away at night.

Please pardon the hyperbole, I know this is over the top. Again, I'm frustrated by the fact that calling racism racism is now somehow the offensive statement. That fact is one of the great victories of the intolerant.

[fogonthelake]

37. This broad brushing -calling all repugs racist is uncalled for and will

just lead to more division. (If grayson did indeed do this).

[Fire1]

39. Well, most of them 'are' racist. Hate to be the one to tell ya. n/t

[vaberella]

43. Note the people who are defending repubs and how they're doing it.

n/t

[vaberella]

44. read post # 28. n/t

[Scurrilous]

53. ROFL

Glory Days!!1!

[CBR]

54. I do not want to dance with policies or persons that are racist

progressive or conservative.

[cowman]

59. I 100% agree

I guess at one time I was considered a racist, when I got home from Vietnam in 70 I looked at all asians as the enemy but after about a year of that I said to myself what the hell am I doing, I'm becoming what I swore I would never become and at that point, my life became so much better. Just a little anecdote

[provis99]

68. well, not all Nazis were anti-semites.

you gonna defend them, too?

[Chulanowa]

71. Fuck 'em

You heard me. Fuck 'em. We need division from these fucks. We need clear lines, because constantly trying to embrace them is just making things worse.

If calling them racists pisses them off, tough. They can either stop being racists, or they can stop associating with racists.

[KingFlorez]

72. It's not like there is anything that can really lead to more division

It's already at the maximum.

[ooglymoogly]

76. Pugs are arrogant, ignoarant, Nazi, shitheads and most of us are

already divided from them by intelligence. Does not include Dino's, who are just pugs in Dem clothing and equally loathsome. To claim that the general thrust of the pug party is not racist is in and of itself, ignorant and devoid of any reality.

[ooglymoogly]

77. Gee, funny, ever thought of standup, Dennis Miller might

be able to help.

[Skip Intro]

104. I agree with you. It is uncalled for. Lacks intellectual honesty.

Will it lead to further division? Probably. But that shouldn't be a reason not to do it. The reason not to do it is because it certainly isn't true. No more true than repubs calling all Dems socialists. Or us calling them nazis, or them calling us nazis. Such disingenuous namecalling only serves to deflect discussion from the true issues that face the American people.

If Grayson truly said this, I'd love a link to the entire quote, with context.

[ooglymoogly]

74. Allan Grayson for president 2012. nt

[Dinger]

82. President Grayson Sure Sounds Good to Me!

That is all.:)

[bobburgster]

83. I have no doubt this is true.....

they're also exploiting and reigniting racism throughout the country.

[woo me with science]

89. If he were white, they would LOVE him

and be supporting all his policies!!!!

[newtothegame]

95. Allson Grayson is a thinking man, but clearly not here.

We are way too smart to boil arguments down to soundbites or "gotcha statements" like the other side does.

[Old Troop]

102. Too easy. If we believe that, we ignore every other issue.

[Skip Intro]

105. Link?

[davidpdx]

107. It's funny how your thread got twisted by some

What a bunch of bull****.

[Vinca]

108. Republicans hate every Democratic president.

They would have treated Hillary exactly the same way.

[LoZoccolo]

110. GRAYSON NEVER SAID THIS.

If he had, it would be all over the place, but it's not.

http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=Grayson+Obama

Get off the Internet for a few hours, people.