Predicted responses if Obama achieves Israeli-Palestinian peace

[scheming daemons]

From Fox News:

"Israelis and Palestinians came to an agreement on a two-state solution today. President Obama, while in attendance at the talks, played very little role in the discussion according to some analysts, and simply built upon the foundation started by former President Bush. Meanwhile, rumors concerning the President's citizenship continue to dog him..."


From FireDogLake:

"While millions of Americans languish in the unemployment lines, President Obama continued to focus on foreign policy to the dismay of those of us in his base..."


From Glen Beck:

"By brokering this peace deal between the Israelis and Palestinians, President Obama has single-handedly pushed back the coming of the Rapture. And he has the nerve to call himself a Christian...."


From Chris Matthews:

"Even as he brokered a deal to end nearly 5000 years of violence and hatred between Israel and its enemies, President Obama's speech to commemorate the event was read off of a teleprompter. Howard Fineman, do you think the optics of this speech will play well with the white working-class voters in middle America?"


From Glen Greenwald:

"It's nice that President Obama was able to get the nation of Israel and the Palestinians to commit to a lasting peace agreement. But this President still won't work to allow gays and lesbians to commit to each other in marriage. Where is the man we voted for?"


From Rush Limbaugh:

"Now you just watch. President Obama will try to take credit for ending the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, even though it was only possible because of Ronald Reagan ending the cold war, thus making the United States the sole superpower in the world. The nerve of this Kenyan-born imam..."


From way too many on DU:

"Big deal. We still don't have a public option, Bush and Cheney aren't in jail, BP is still in business, and Elizabeth Warren hasn't been appointed yet. So he ended 5000 years of strife in the Middle East. So what? Any Democratic President would've accomplished the same thing, it's the bare minimum we should expect from him."

[Safetykitten]

1. Is it good to think in such absolutes? The war? Over. Mid-east savior. Done.

This is the mistake. While nice that the President went on air and told the nation the war was over, there are still people there, but more interesting no notice on the shit hole we left it and on what could happpen there tomorrow, a month from now, or a year while he is still in office. Perhaps a civil war, with us scrambling to get the other 50,000 out making his last speech on par with the imbecile on the aircraft carrier.

Also in the clingy-neediness of desperation, now he's off to take on the mid-east. Well good for him. But then blame people for asking the very pertinent...what about HERE?

It should be a goal to figure out what President Obama is, the globe trotting bringing two parties together that have been at war for years, yet the "best we can do" incapable of HCR.

I don't know, I have not been able to figure that out.

[Hekate]

69. LOL: So far SD's predictions have you falling right into line! Well done!

[Pisces]

2. Wow, it's like you have a chrystal ball. K & R

[Whisp]

3. heh. ;) rec'd.

so true. spot on for every one on that list.

[McCamy Taylor]

4. You forgot one. "Hillary brought peace to the Middle East"

[Sinistrous]

5. So sick.

So true.

[slay]

6. You left out how scheming daemons will mock fellow DU members

but i guess you already knew that part too huh? :eyes:

[The Doctor.]

10. it may be mockery, but it's also the truth.

I didn't get a pony either. Difference is; I didn't expect one.

[vaberella]

20. Yup yup. n/t

[scheming daemons]

11. Hit a little too close to a nerve, did I?

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[The Doctor.]

35. people seldom enjoy having their lack of realistic expectations pointed out.

[lfairban]

98. Bringing an end to 5,000 years of animosity . . .

. . . between the Arabs and the Jews is an unrealistic expectation.

Obama will be fortunate to get the Israelis and the Palestinians to quit shooting at each other for a while.

Didn't someone say, "There will always be wars and rumors of wars." I think he was talking about the Middle East.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

36. As long as it's deserved, that's a safe prediction.

And I'm guessing it will continue to be well earned mocking.

[scheming daemons]

38. As long as Skinner and EarlG let me, I'll continue to point out their silliness and hypocrisy

...

[msanthrope]

92. may it always be so. n/t

[blueworld]

59. +1000 n/t

[The Doctor.]

7. K+R for a man who could never do enough right to satisfy some.

Nice voice captures too. That was well done.

[BluegrassDem]

8. So spot on! Or would the media even mention it?

The media will probably still be obsessed with the "Ground Zero Mosque" or Lindsay Lohan. Middle East peace would be relegated to the ticker at the bottom of the screen. I could see Joe Scarborough and Chuck Todd wondering if getting Middle East peace may hurt Obama in the midterms cause it's not jobs related. :sarcasm:

[CakeGrrl]

9. Spot on. k/r

[readmoreoften]

12. Well, considering that the concept that OBAMA will bring peace to the Middle East is ASININE

to anyone who actually has read three articles on the situation, I'm not too worried. :eyes:

[readmoreoften]

13. More like: Obama will CLAIM that he brought peace to I/P for some minutia

by getting the Palestinian Authorityand Israel to agree on one minor concession that lasts as long as he's in the room. Obama will get to play the hero and two weeks later when the sham falls apart, the Obama Fanciers will whine and say BUT IT WAS A START.... WAAAAA.. IT WAS REAL PROGRESS.

If you think Obama's going to bring peace to the Israel/Palestine issue, I've got some Enron stock to sell you.

[Born_A_Truman]

15. Not too worried?

[scheming daemons]

31. See post #30 n/t

[vaberella]

21. What does "not too worried" mean?

You're not too worried he won't be successful? Huh.

[MineralMan]

63. Maybe if you read more than three articles....

You'd have a clearer view. :sarcasm:

The point is that we must try. We must keep trying. It is that simple.

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[jefferson_dem]

26. "Obama followers"?

Another shark jumped.

[scheming daemons]

30. Every once in a while, they let down their guard and their slip ends up showing

[CakeGrrl]

42. Yikes. I'm sure this is a rule violation, but I think it should be seen.

:wtf:

It seems that the "non-Obama-followers" are the most hostile and derisive when they see people not hating on the President as much as they'd like.

[jenmito]

45. Yup-it IS a violation of DU's rules. Nothing new there! n/t

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[CakeGrrl]

82. No it wasn't. Read the OP's statement

"Too many on DU" - that could mean ANYONE.

That's how so many threads devolve into arguments. People see what they want to see rather than understanding what was actually written.

[POAS]

84. As a liberal DUer

I don't feel attacked. Why should you?

[Smashcut]

60. Indeed.

[MineralMan]

64. And what was it about rallying Democratic constituencies

that you object to? Is not party unity a goal we should be working on? I'm really puzzled by your statement.

Are you not a Democrat? Do you not want the Democratic party to succeed. Please expand on your statement for clarity's sake.

[lamp_shade]

17. Thanks again, SD, for another brilliant post. You speak for so many of us.

[lamp_shade]

34. K&R

[Number23]

18. Yep. And the prematurely hurt feelings in this thread prove how accurate your portrayals must be

Kicked and rec'd. :thumbsup:

[lamp_shade]

22. "PHF"... I like that. I've heard it also called "feigned indignation".

[POAS]

85. Oh I think the indignation felt is real but

isn't based in reality. Sort of a psychosomatic indignation.

[vaberella]

19. You're on point man. On point---Tweety's response is so true.

My mum loves Howard Fineman---she says he's a beautiful little old man. <----it's said in Creole so the translations even funnier.

[impik]

23. Brilliant.

[SKKY]

24. Best post on DU in a very long time!

Excellent!

[jefferson_dem]

25. Ha.

Perfect predictions. No exaggerations there. I hope I get a chance to see them come true.

[SKKY]

27. Yep, that's going on my facebook page.

[Warren Stupidity]

28. Oh look another gratuitous slam at progressives.

On the other hand the fact that you are pinning this on resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is worth a chuckle.

Once again I am super motivated to come to the aid of the party by being slapped in the face by some self appointed holier than thou Democratic Party message board hallway safety patrol.

[scheming daemons]

29. Interesting that THAT is what you saw......

The Fox, Beck, Limbaugh, Matthews ones were ignored.


All you saw was the DU one.


Interesting.

[Warren Stupidity]

40. I responded to your slap in my face.

From way too many on DU:

"Big deal. We still don't have a public option, Bush and Cheney aren't in jail, BP is still in business, and Elizabeth Warren hasn't been appointed yet. So he ended 5000 years of strife in the Middle East. So what? Any Democratic President would've accomplished the same thing, it's the bare minimum we should expect from him."


Gee I wonder why I would choose to respond to that?

[Beetwasher]

41. It's Interesting You Assume He's Slapping YOU In The Face With That Comment

The only way that would be a slap in YOUR face is if you were planning posting something like that in response to a peace deal.

[scheming daemons]

48. What beetwasher said...... n/t

[CakeGrrl]

44. Why do you feel the need?

Unless it struck a nerve because it was pretty much what you happened to be thinking.

And the thing is, it isn't an exaggeration. Worse has been said about the President right here.

[Warren Stupidity]

46. because I generally don't let intentional insults slide

the so-called solidarity faction runs around here issuing smears attacks and insults with impunity. I refuse to let it slide.

[Beetwasher]

49. How Is It Insulting YOU Unless YOU Were Going To Post Something Like That?

You obviously believe you're in the group that would slam Obama no matter what if YOU are insulted by that comment. That's YOUR problem.

[Dawgs]

52. +1.

:hi:

[Warren Stupidity]

61. The implication is clear, you are simply being obtuse.

The progressive left never has anything good to say about Obama and aligns itself with the right - that was what I got out fo the OP and I find that deeply insulting. You obviously got something else. or at least would like to posture that you got something else.

[Beetwasher]

65. Only If You Slam Obama Constantly, Which Apparently YOU Believe That YOU Do

Which is why you take offense. The post says nothing about the "progressive left". That's just something you made up.

[CakeGrrl]

77. Why are you turning this into a broad attack on "the Progressive Left"?

This is the type of stuff that makes "discussion" impossible.

The OP clearly simply said "too many here on DU". They did not say "the Progressive Left".

As I've said, I've seen stuff like that and worse written here about the President. So has the OP and it was pointed out.

YOU are making the assumption (or admission?) that those statements are characteristic of the Progressive Left representation on this board.

[dionysus]

78. victim complex. you have it.

[POAS]

86. Did the Foo Shit?......n/t

[Dawgs]

53. It wasn't a slam at progressives.

It was a slam at DUers that will criticize Obama no matter what he does. Even if it's a thread that points out something he has done that progressives would like.

It says a lot about YOU that YOU would be so offended.

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[EFerrari]

58. It's actually hilarious and worth bookmarking for the comedy alone. n/t

[MineralMan]

70. Oh, there's comedy aplenty, but I do believe we're laughing at

different things. See ya around.

[EFerrari]

74. LOL. That oar of yours sure gets a lot of work. n/t

[tanyev]

32. You need to have Rush Limbaugh say something about Obama making the right bend over.

Rush seems a little obsessed with that.

[Hekate]

71. Right--Rush seems to get a "rush" from repeated references to that

creepy man

[Jennicut]

33. This is brilliant and oh so true.

It is sad when responses can be automatically predicted like that.

[Empowerer]

37. "do you think the optics of this speech will play well with the white working-class voters?"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

The entire post is a classic, but that line completely nailed it! Thanks!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

39. Yeah, because the black man can't do anything right. Nothing!!

:sarcasm:

[jenmito]

43. Bravo! K&R. n/t

[Phoonzang]

47. K&R! nt

[FrenchieCat]

50. There will be breaking news about everything but the issue of Peace in the ME.....

Until such time that it is no longer news.

There will be hurricanes, hollywood drug trouble of the stars,
and a story about Chilean mine workers trapped, or a shark attack....

but certainly, in reference to ME Peace, the coverage will be almost
as loud as when Financial Regulations were passed; nearly complete silence.

[Usrename]

51. Just like he closed down Gitmo!

This'll be great. They'll live in apartheid peace over there!

:patriot:

[Martin Eden]

55. The 2-State Solution is a FANTASY

Ever take a look at a map of the West Bank and how it is riddled with Israeli settlemts & ouposts and sliced & diced by connecting roads off-limits to Palestinians?

Remember a few years ago when the Israeli government forced a small handful of settlers out of an "illegal" outpost and how this engendered violent resistance & outrage by so many Israelis?

For a "2-State Solution" to include an actual soverign state of Palestine, the state of Israel would have to cede control of all those settlements & roads to the Palestinians. It may be possible to work out a deal whereby Israel maimtains a border somewhat expanded beyond the 1967 boundary, but unless some major unforseen change takes place I don't think there is a snowball's chance in hell of the Israelis giving up what they control throughout the bulk of the West Bank.

I don't know what President Obama thinks can be achieved by this latest effort, but I doubt he will get much besides egg on his face.

[Hekate]

72. There is support in both Israel & the US for a 2-state solution, among people who want peace/justice

Get this right: The Jewish State is prepared to give up land for peace.

The extremists and fundamentalists in all 3 Abrahamic religions want neither peace nor a partition, but they are a vitriolic, sometimes violent, and noisy minority who do not speak for all members of those religions.

Fundamentalist Christians thought Bush Jr would help them get what they desire: Israel "restored to its Biblical boundaries" and some of them actively work with ultra-orthodox Jews in Israel for this end.

The fact that actually achieving this goal would ignite a Mideast conflagration bothers them not at all, because they are doing Gawd's Will. The fact that the Christians believe the Jews will burn in Hell for eternity doesn't bother the Jews in partnership with them, because they believe they are doing G-d's Will.

Both believe achieving this real estate goal will further the End Times and bring about either the coming of Moshiach (Messiah) or the second coming of Christ.

As for extremist Muslims, they simply want to drive all the Jewish occupants of Israel into the sea, the way Ferdinand and Isabella did with the Spanish Jews in 1492. Barring that, blowing them to Kingdom Come will do.

To counter them, there are Jewish, Christian, and Muslim peacemakers -- including the statesmen meeting in Washington as I write this. They're not noisy, but they are our greatest hope for peace and justice in the Middle East.

I, for one, wish them well. As for President Obama -- he multitasks well.

Hekate

[IndianaGreen]

76. 2-state solution is deader than Reagan's corpse

Ashley Smith: THE TALKS themselves seem like an effort to legitimize a sham two-state solution. How do you see the increasing demand for a one-state solution fitting into this situation?

Naseer Aruri: IN MANY Palestinian circles, the idea of a single state has gained ground in the past year and a half. At the same time, we find that the idea is gaining ground among the Israeli right wing. This is pretty amazing. Most people have been astonished that the right wing is calling for a single state. But we have to keep in mind that the right wing in Israel has embraced a single state not based on equality.

Their single state would in fact continue the occupation. It would extend the status quo under the name of a single state. On the other side, more and more Palestinians now advocate a single bi-national state with civil equality and the right of Palestinian refugees to return as the only solution. So we have a situation of dueling concepts of a single state.

More ideas and strategies for Palestinians will hopefully come out of the demonstration on September 2 in Ramallah. We should recall the First and Second Intifadas. We have seen countless similar talks that produced very few results (and sometimes bad results) for Palestinians. And at the same time, they produced a new resistance. The First Intifada (1987-1993) produced a brand new approach to the political struggle for national Palestinian rights. We need to be on the watch for statements, ideas and forces emanating from the demonstrations in Ramallah.

http://socialistworker.org/2010/09/02/peace-talks-on-israeli-terms

[Martin Eden]

83. Get this right: The Jewish State WILL NOT give up land for peace.

Yes, there are moderates who are willing to trade land for peace -- but they do not define the Jewish State, based on the consistent actions of the Jewish State.

All you have to do is look at the reality on the ground to see how the web of Jewish settlements and connecting roads have inexorably expanded. Just getting Israel to temporarily halt construction is characterized as a major concession on their part -- and all it takes to squash any attempt at a brokered peace is an an act of violence by the Palestinian militants you described in your post (who want no such peace).

Why should the Israelis give up their multi-decade project for a Greater Israel when they are funded and backed by the world's superpower? The United States cannot be an honest broker when aid is delivered regardless of Israeli violations of UN resolutions, and I see no indication that AIPAC has loosened its grip over this aspect of our foreign policy. President Obama can grumble all he wants about Joe Biden being humiliated by Netanyahu, but he can't (or he won't) make US support of Israel conditional on abandoning the West Bank.

It would be interesting to see the reaction if he did.

[Enrique]

56. Glenn Greenwald and Firedoglake would welcome it

they're progressives, they like peace.

[glinda]

57. From Beck and Palin:

Oh shit...we wanted to build the new Isreal raaaat here in the good ol' USA.

[quiet.american]

66. Absolutely fab. Nailed it. nt

[NJmaverick]

67. Very good listing of the anti-progressive media

[Hekate]

68. LOL. That does it: I'm starting an office pool to replace "When will Prince William get married?"

:rofl: for spot-on accuracy in your crystal ball.

Hekate

[Cali_Democrat]

73. HAHAHAHA.....Golden!

K&R

[IndianaGreen]

75. Here is what the spiritual leader of one of Israel's coalition government parties has to say

Shas spiritual leader: Abbas and Palestinians should perish from this world

Army Radio reports Rabbi Ovadia Yosef denounces Palestinians as bitter enemies of Israel ahead of upcoming direct peace talks.

Published 02:37 29.08.10
Latest update 02:37 29.08.10

Shas spiritual leader Rabbi Ovadia Yosef denounced upcoming peace talks with the Palestinians, which are set to start September 2 in Washington, and called for Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to "perish from this world," Army Radio reported overnight Saturday.

"Abu Mazen and all these evil people should perish from this world," Rabbi Ovadia was quoted as saying during his weekly sermon at a synagogue near his Jerusalem home. "God should strike them with a plague, them and these Palestinians."

The Shas spiritual leader also called the Palestinians "evil, bitter enemies of Israel" during his speech, which is not the rabbi's first sermon to spark controversy.

In 2001, the spiritual leader of the ultra-Orthodox faction gave a speech in which he also called for Arabs' annihilation.

"It is forbidden to be merciful to them," he was quoted as saying. "You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/shas-spiritual-leader-abbas-and-palestinians-should-perish-1.310800

[Babyhoneylips]

79. You missied the fundies...

who will go into full "he's the anti-christ" mode.

[scheming daemons]

99. No..... they're accounted for in the Glen Beck entry.

[IndianaGreen]

80. REALITY: Settlers defy peace talks with new construction across West Bank

Settlers defy peace talks with new construction across West Bank

Yesha council says settlers will start building in at least 80 settlements, breaking a government freeze that ends on September 26.

By Reuters

Hours before peace talks were set to begin in Washington, Jewish settlers defiantly announced plans on Thursday to launch new construction in their West Bank enclaves in a test of strength with Palestinian Islamists.

Naftali Bennett, director of the settlers' Yesha council, said settlers would begin building homes and public structures in at least 80 settlements, breaking a partial government freeze on building that ends on September 26.

<snip>

The settlers, who have threatened to depose Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu if he does not let them resume building after September 26, ended the freeze unilaterally on Wednesday, the day after gunmen killed four settlers in the occupied West Bank.

Pro-settler parties are a majority in Netanyahu's right-wing coalition and a number of cabinet ministers have already backed demands to resume settlement construction.

Earth-moving vehicles and cement mixers went to work in several settlements on Wednesday, breaking ground for homes and community centers.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/settlers-defy-peace-talks-with-new-construction-across-west-bank-1.311729reality

Settlements on Arab land have always been the issue, outside of Arab Jerusalem, and no Israeli government can risk civil war by sending the IDF after them.

2-state solution is long dead. Let's work to make the existing 1-state solution a democratic state with equal rights for Arabs and Jews.

[Political Tiger]

81. K & R! n/t

[Donald Ian Rankin]

87. From me: death by heart attack, purchase of pig-shit proof umbrella, consumption of hat.

If you look at the backdrop to the current round of negotiations, you will see that there is not a snowball's chance in hell of peace. Look at the makeup of the current Israeli government, for God's sake!

[HughMoran]

88. Perfect.

:thumbsup:

[flamingdem]

89. Yes indeed! REC nt

[11 Bravo]

90. K&R! And the characterizations are absolutely pitch perfect!

Well fucking done!!!

[JNelson6563]

91. LOL! Loved it! So funny to see it all come true already!

If I didn't find the predictables so damn amusing (to the point of caricature material) I'd have an ignore list mile long!

Nice job SD! :toast:

Julie

[firedupdem]

93. Perfect! n/t

[boppers]

94. Nice! eom

[hulka38]

95. The whole thing is a farce.

Israel has more land to take. This strife did not begin 5,000 years ago. It began around 1880 AD when European Zionists began implementing their plan to cease land.

[hulka38]

96. *seize land

:blush:

[Rosa Luxemburg]

97. might as well get the middle east thing sewn up