Axelrod: "The President would veto any bill that included extending tax cuts for the rich"

[impik]

He just said so on CNN.

[CreekDog]

1. yes!!!

:applause:

[MadHound]

2. The president also said that he wouldn't sign any HCR bill that didn't have the public option.

So how can we trust him now, on this?

[Inuca]

3. I don't think he ever said that n/t

[MadHound]

6. Here

<http://www.youtube.com/v/83FvLjsUOJg&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&fs=1>]

[BklnDem75]

48. Actually... no

July 18 Any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange -- a one-stop-shopping marketplace where you can compare the benefits, costs and track records of a variety of plans, including a public option to increase competition and keep insurance companies honest, and choose what's best for your family. And that's why we'll put an end to the worst practices of the insurance industry. No more yearly caps or lifetime caps. No more denying people care because of preexisting conditions. And no more dropping people from a plan when they get too sick. No longer will you be without health insurance, even if you lose your job or change your job.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/18/AR2009081803652.html

No public option promised

[kas125]

53. It's right there in your quote -

"Any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange -- a one-stop-shopping marketplace where you can compare the benefits, costs and track records of a variety of plans, including a public option to increase competition and keep insurance companies honest..."

[BklnDem75]

55. That's nice

Try reading the quote as a sentence this time

[Clio the Leo]

16. Dont you get it?

.... if the President DOESN'T take a hard line, it's because he's spineless .... if he DOES take a hard line, he's lying! That's how the logic works. ;)

[Raine1967]

26. Hatahs gonna hate!

A good damn many people don't seem to get that in the end this man is not a dictator.

He's the head of ONE branch of government. ONE of THREE.

Excellent point Clio. I am sorry that many won't get it -- or don't WANT to get it.

[Pirate Smile]

28. .

[Raine1967]

30. LOVE it!

I wish I were so Zen!

[impik]

4. Don't trust him. I don't really care. You can always vote for someone else

And since he never said he'll veto a bill without a public option - then you're not even very honest here.

[MadHound]

8. The link to the president's address is above,

But here is the money quote:

"Any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange: a one-stop shopping marketplace where you can compare the benefits, cost and track records of a variety of plans - including a public option to increase competition and keep insurance companies honest - and choose what's best for your family."

This is the problem when you make promises you can't keep, it deepens cynicism and makes it hard for people to trust you.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

19. He promised the exchange.

Nice try though.

[no limit]

23. Stop lying for him. He said exchange WITH a public option

[MadHound]

33. What, you can only read half the quote?

He specifically stated an insurance exchange with a public option. Sorry, but where is that public option he promised?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

37. You people are exhausting.

Seriously, does context mean nothing to you?

[MadHound]

39. Seriously, do facts mean nothing to you?

I provided a link to the speech in which he made this promise, I provided the quote in full, including context.

You are simply in denial of the fact that the president made this promise concerning the public option, and then proceeded to break that promise.

[jefferson_dem]

20. Canard.

Cynicism? Meh.

Never mind your "apples to oranges" comparison bove...

it is clear that some were never prepard to "trust" the President regardless of what he does.

[no limit]

24. The president made a promise he didn't keep? And you're pissed at the messanger?

[dionysus]

43. at least spell messenger right, for chrit's sake.

:rofl:

[no limit]

46. Thank you for agreeing with me that the president lied.

[dionysus]

49. nope, just pointing out your lack of proper spelling.

[no limit]

59. Ahh, so you're just being ignorant. You disagree you just can't tell us why.

Thanks for the correction.

[dionysus]

61. your bitter tears are nectar to my soul.

[no limit]

62. No tears. Just disappointment. I used to laugh at freepers during the Bush years

Freepers that would support Bush simply because he had a (R) after his name no matter what Bush did. Now I see that here from people like you. Clear example of the president breaking a promise on the public option and you aren't mad at him, you're mad at the people that point this out. It's as if Obama said 2+2=5 you would be here arguing that he was actually right. During the Bush years I used to think everyone here was much smarter than allowing party politics to control what they think, boy was I wrong.

[dionysus]

63. public option didn't have the votes. were you would have been happy with no bill, at least some

progress was made.

funny how it's the president's fault that he couldn't force all 6 blue dogs and lieberman to vote for a public option.

if people like you were in charge, not a single piece of legislation would ever get passed.

[no limit]

65. Did I force the president to make that promise? No

If the promise couldn't be kept he shouldn't have made it in the first place.

And it's not that he couldn't force lieberman to vote for a public option. Turns out he didn't even ask.

[no limit]

44. self-delete, wrong reply.

[MadHound]

35. What apples and oranges comparison

This is what Obama stated, "Any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange: a one-stop shopping marketplace where you can compare the benefits, cost and track records of a variety of plans - including a public option to increase competition. . ."

It doesn't get any plainer than that, but apparently you wish to deny reality for whatever reason. Well, you can continue to live in your only little fantasy where Obama doesn't break his promises, but the rest of us deal with the real world. I would suggest you try doing the same.

[BklnDem75]

47. Honesty is your friend

Any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange -- a one-stop-shopping marketplace where you can compare the benefits, costs and track records of a variety of plans, including a public option to increase competition and keep insurance companies honest, and choose what's best for your family. And that's why we'll put an end to the worst practices of the insurance industry. No more yearly caps or lifetime caps. No more denying people care because of preexisting conditions. And no more dropping people from a plan when they get too sick. No longer will you be without health insurance, even if you lose your job or change your job.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/18/AR2009081803652.html


Though we quoted the same words, your use of the hyphen changed his whole statement. In the quote I provided, he promises no public option.

[MadHound]

50. You're quibbling over a hyphen?

Wow, that's, well, just sad. The words "including a public option" apparently means something completely different in your world. Alrighty then, moving along:eyes:

[BklnDem75]

52. Not at all

I'm quibbling at your attempt to change the meaning of his statement. The quote does not back your claim concerning the public option.

[kas125]

54. Yes, it certainly does. He specifically said an exchange that

includes a public option whether he said it with a hyphen or a comma.

[BklnDem75]

56. Read it again

He said 'a one-stop-shopping marketplace where you can compare the benefits, costs and track records of a variety of plans, including a public option to increase competition and keep insurance companies honest, and choose what's best for your family.'

He's clearly mentioning a public option as one of the plans the marketplace COULD cover. Nowhere in that quote does he state a public option must be in any bill he signs.

[MadHound]

57. Maybe in your own biased world,

But out here in the real world that quote is a promise, a promise for an insurance exchange that would include a public option. If you read something else into that, well, that's on you and your own interpretation.

[BklnDem75]

58. You're the one with the agenda

You read what you wanted to read.

[flpoljunkie]

5. Very smart move!

[Mass]

7. Did Axelrod say how they will get 60 votes in the Senate for something like that?

Or does he support repealing all the tax cuts?

[Ineeda]

10. the bill cannot be "repealed"

because it is set to "repeal" itself, IOW:expire, which is required by law (because it was passed by reconciliation) -- criteria set up by the rethugs ten years ago. To "extend the bill" would actually be to write a NEW bill, I believe. The proposal is to extend tax cuts only to the 98% of Americans whose income is under $250,000.

[Mass]

17. I know. This does not answer my question. What does Axelrod think will happen?

That ALL tax cuts expire or that they somehow find a magical 60 people in the Senate for the new bill?

The point is that, if a bill like that gets to his desk in October, I doubt he will veto it and give the GOP an instant ad "Democrats raise taxes on the middle class" (and yes, I know they would be lying, what's new there).

[indepat]

9. Off to the greatest page: I'll believe it when I see it, but perhaps he read my recent OP

on how those extended tax cuts for the uber-wealthy are to be paid for by a reduction in social security benefits. :eyes:

[babylonsister]

13. LOL!

I'm sure that's why-it was your post! Thanks! :rofl:

[indepat]

21. You no doubt caught the seldom-used

:eyes: I was recalling Gen. Patton's "Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book." :hi:

[WCGreen]

11. It's about fucking time....

[babylonsister]

14. How about, "Good move, Mr. President"? Cripes. nt

[TBF]

22. It is a good move. Hope he can follow though on this one. nt

[madmax]

12. Yes, Yes, Yes - He Can!

Alrighty Mr. Prez. :bounce:

[pinto]

15. Kick

:kick:

[Peacetrain]

18. K&R ...never had a doubt

[denimgirly]

25. Hope the WH keeps its word this time (no compromises, please).

Just hope they have enough guts at least for this one to not buckle to the right.

[Scurrilous]

27. K & R

:thumbsup:

[grahamhgreen]

29. YAY! C'mon Mr. President - your turn now! And don't forget Elizabeth Warren! nt

[flamingdem]

31. Rock n roll on de rich azzes! nt

[mzmolly]

32. But the 'free thinkers' implied that Obama would extend the tax cuts.

So, Axelrod must be wrong. ;)

[TheKentuckian]

34. Good. That's clear and unambiguous. Make it so.

If anybody cries if that means raising taxes on the bottom 98% then they should keep in mind the the Republicans raised those taxes. It was their bill.

[Orsino]

36. Change (sort of).

It's not a call for the progressive tax code we need, but it is good to see even a spokesperson tasked to deliver this message so clearly. :thumbsup:

[pleah]

38. K&R

[BlueIdaho]

40. Not just yes

But hell yes!

[bvar22]

41. I applaud the President for throwing down the gauntlet.

I pray he shows up for the fight.

[dflprincess]

42. A hopeful sign

but I'd feel better if Obama had said this himself. Having Axelrod do it gives him deniability. I won't believe it until I see if he follows through this time.

[kentuck]

45. It is now being reported that the President will not commit to a veto

if it is sent to him. Sometimes he is too cautious. This is a winner for him, even if they were to over-ride his veto.

[golfguru]

51. Many democrats running away from Obama's economic plan

On Thursday, Obama, along with the DNC, sought to regain control of the economic narrative. Obama unveiled a proposal that included $50B in new government spending on infrastructure projects and tax breaks for small businesses.

Sen. Michael Bennet (D-CO), who is locked in a difficult race against Weld Co. DA Ken Buck (R), was the first to oppose Obama's proposal. "I will not support additional spending in a second stimulus package," Bennet said in a statement Wednesday.

Since then, House Democrats in competitive races have also voiced their opposition. Rep. Gary Peters (D-MI) said he supports extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, which Obama opposes. He also said he opposes the $50B spending plan. Peters is facing former state Rep. Andrew Raczkowski (R) in MI 09.

Rep. John Salazar (D-CO) also expressed doubts, saying he is "skeptical of new spending." Salazar is facing Scott Tipton (R) in CO 03, who also ran in '06.

And Rep. Jason Altmire (D), a perennial target for the GOP in PA 04, distanced himself from the Democratic leadership on the economy even before Obama's speech. "The president is going to come out on Wednesday with the new economic plan and we'll see what he has to say," Altmire told CNN. "But I think that's one of the things that's making the public uneasy about the Democratic Party right now -- that there hasn't been a consistent message on the economy," Altmire said.

Other Democrats in running in conservative districts also distanced themselves from Obama. Stephene Moore (D), who is running for her husband's seat in KS 03, went so far as to release a statement opposing the plan, as did attorney Jon Hulburd (D), who is running against Ben Quayle (R) in retiring AZ 03 Rep. John Shadegg's (R)

[Arkana]

60. Doesn't get much clearer than that.

[marshall]

64. The term "rich" to be defined at some future point?

It's a sliding scale, not much use unless they also define the dollar amount they are talking about.