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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 11:42 AM
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Brewer gains, despite debate `meltdown'
PHOENIX -- Despite what she described as a "brain freeze" in her first and only debate, Gov. Jan Brewer has widened her lead over Democratic challenger Terry Goddard in the Rasmussen Poll.

A survey of likely Arizona voters following the Sept. 1 televised debate shows 60 percent support the Republican governor while 38 percent support Goddard, the current state attorney general.

Brewer drew wide criticism and comments for a 16-second lapse during her opening statements, when she was at a loss for words and looked down, wringing her hands and giggling nervously. She said afterward that she is just human and lost her train of thought.

http://ktar.com/category/local-news-articles/20100909/Brewer-gains,-despite-debate-%60meltdown%27/

How is this possible?
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 11:45 AM
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1. Sorry Arizonan DUers, but your state is packed full of IDIOTS.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 11:46 AM
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2. They like her anti-undocumented stance. What can you do?
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 11:51 AM
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6. I'd like to see the ethnicity breakdown of the poll and support.
So if the voters were evenly divided between Latino and non-Latino caucasian, would Brewer do what she's done? What would the polls say? One of the best things politically would be to open the door wider for citizenship for these people who are currently working hard and are undocumented.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 11:55 AM
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8. AMEN!! I wonder how many Hispanics, blacks and other people of color are asked!
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 12:59 PM
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20. The "political world" of 2010 is white world indeed.
They right-wing is partying like it's 1968, riding a presumed wave of white discontent. Problem for them is, it's not 1968 - not by a long-shot.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 01:17 PM
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22. ...and neither is it 1994, for that matter. n/t
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pezDispenser Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 06:04 PM
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29. and here we sit with underwater home estimates at 51%
Also, of the homes that were purchased within the last year - 11% are now underwater. But yea, our biggest problem is undocumented workers. This fucking state, or the voting majority rather. The state itself is beautiful.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 11:46 AM
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3. Because people are idiots
They identify with her. "She's just like me. I might have froze like that. I'm bad at public speaking."

They want to vote for people "just like me" that don't make me feel stupid or bad or feel like I need more education.

Me, I want the smartest person in the room running the show.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 11:58 AM
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12. I do freeze up like that
on occasion, but I'm not running for anything, nor would I. I, too, want someone who's capable and intelligent.

It's not the brain freeze that bothers me so much; it's her superficial knowledge of the issues. Even when she speaks it's just in sound bites and talking points. There's no depth there at all.
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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 11:48 AM
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4. It is Arizona and they apparently like having a fool for a
Representative as long as she is anti immigrant.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 08:39 PM
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30. That's like saying that all Americans liked Bush because he got re-elected.
Get serious.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 11:50 AM
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5. Brewer is a one issue candidate..
and as long as the people of Arizona support 1070, she's going to ride it to a probable easy win.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 12:04 PM
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13. yes, unfortunately
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 11:52 AM
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7. Why do repugs ALWAYS pick the dumbest person
in the room to represent them?
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 11:57 AM
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10. Which is more dangerous?
A dumb Republican or a smart Republican?
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 12:07 PM
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15. I'm not sure that question can be answered
been a long time since I've seen a smart republican run for office.
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Bill219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 11:57 AM
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11. Because their base or at least 20-26% of them are idiots
and these idiots identify personally with the idiots that the GOP put up for office.

There is a big reason why the GOP cannot stand having an educated electorate and want to keep our children stupid by killing our public school system.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 11:56 AM
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9. Bigotry and greed
and the fact that most people have absolutely no moral compass and are too afraid of ridicule to stand against the tide.

In other words, if we don't have a unified movement, THEY will.

Wake up lefties and stop attacking this president and his agenda.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 12:05 PM
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14. Rasmussen Polls were the pollster of choice for the Bush 2004 campaign.
Edited on Thu Sep-09-10 12:06 PM by ClarkUSA
Nate Silver doesn't think much of their accuracy and I trust him. No doubt Arizona has more than its share of ignorant racist idiots, too.
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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 03:10 PM
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26. That's not quite what Silver has said.
His position is far more nuanced than that.

It was only a few years ago that he said that if he could only have one pollster "that I'd want with me on a desert island" - Rasmussen was actualy his pick. Even in his fairly recent piece explaining how the normal RV/LV spin doesn't adequately explain the "house effect" he's seen in Ras's polls, he also says that their track record of accurately calling races is "formidable".

It's more important to understand the differences between the polling methodology than to simply say they aren't accurate.

It's also worth noting that over the last few weeks, there have been a number of races where both Rasmussen and PPP (an openly D pollster) have polled at about the same time. PPP has produced less attractive results in the majority of the ones I've seen.


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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 12:11 PM
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16. This one is a lost cause, I'm afraid.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 12:11 PM
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17. The RW idiots recognize one of their own.
They are rallying to her because of her crappy performance in the debate.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 12:52 PM
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18. I guess a brain freeze plays well with Arizonans.
Maybe in all that heat, a freeze of any kind appeals. Or it may just be that a brain freeze puts a candidate on the same intellectual level with much of the AZ electorate.
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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 12:59 PM
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19. This says more about polls than reality.
But do they use voting machines out there? Let me guess, no paper trail.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 01:01 PM
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21. Aren't there a lot of nuclear waste dump sites there? I would say it must be the water ....
Edited on Thu Sep-09-10 01:02 PM by BrklynLiberal
Obviously it has been contaminated, and affected the minds of the populace. Or perhaps, just destroyed their minds altogether...

or could it be the effects of Area51? You know, aliens ate their brains.
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Sheepshank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 01:23 PM
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23. Hate is hip in Arizona? n/t
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 01:46 PM
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24. My heart goes out to thinking Arizonans
At least you don't have cold winters south of Flagstaff.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 02:46 PM
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25. To all Arizona DUers--we would like to offer you asylum in New England
so we can cede Arizona back to Mexico.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 08:48 AM
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35. I second that offer.
We have our share of nutballs too but they are very much the minority, at least in CT.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 05:26 PM
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27. It means idiots outnumber intelligent people in AZ
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 05:54 PM
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28. John Fucking McCain...
I rest my case.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 09:17 PM
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31. McCain on his worst day is still sharper than this woman
And McCain was willing to debate anyone and everyone constantly.

Brewer has refused all future debates because of this meltdown (and probably for numerous other reasons).
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 02:18 PM
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36. John McCain is completely insane and a rageaholic. nt.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 09:22 PM
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32. One thing for certain, a meritocracy America ain't
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 10:22 PM
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33. They don't care if she's stupid. All they care about is keeping brown people out of their state. n/t
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 08:40 AM
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34. I'd like to know how she has 15 percent of the Latino vote
That is also baffling to me.
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