Why burning the Quran could incite such violence that Petreus spoke out against it

[Peacetrain]

Unlike the Bible (Christian) .. many Christian sects do not see the Bible as the literal word of God and therefore God.

For Muslims.. it is just that.. so when that Pastor burns the Quran, he is destroying God. The fact that those who have been involved in the Middle East for so long now, understand how this could incite attacks on other people is because they have gotten a chance to understand that culture.

And if someone thinks there are not enough loose cannons in the Islamic extremists to do just that..think of the attacks on artists in Europe and cartoonists for just making fun.

It really is that serious.

And the media is at fault for giving this guy such a platform.

It is sad to me that after 7 years of conflict, that media types have not learned this simple fact, and now that they have given this asshat all this time in front of a camera.

Let him burn his books and if the media had one ounce, one ounce of patriotic feeling..they would not cover it.

But as we know..it is all about the bucks.

[Cronus Protagonist]

1. So a pastor can burn God...

Really? What happened to His omnipotence? God is gravity anyway, and I doubt he cares about bibles or Korans... not enough mass to be bothered with...

[Peacetrain]

3. Does not matter one iota what you think, or I think..

[hlthe2b]

6. why on earth would you feel compelled to argue another faith's beliefs?

Do you really think YOU are going to convince them otherwise? How arrogant to do so. :shrug:

[BrklynLiberal]

2. And that demented "Pastor"'s only motive was to make money for his bankrupt church

that owes tax money and is being foreclosed. That is the ULTIMATE irony and stupidity of all of this...

[Peacetrain]

4. Really.. I learn something new every day!

[murielm99]

16. Link?

Churches are tax exempt. What kind of taxes do they owe?

[BrklynLiberal]

30. One of many articles that tells of the "church's" profit-making schemes and bankruptcy.

The church property is in foreclosure...

http://blogs.news.sky.com/foreignmatters/Post:41fa8f09-1061-4d85-b8b5-fc81dbd54d15

The Dove Center has also had its finances scrutinised. Local media in Florida say the churches tax exempt status has been cancelled due to Jones running a furniture business from its premises.

Schafer believes that Jones couldn't accept that his power had been taken from him and set out to build another power base. Earlier this year he wrote a book titled 'Islam Is Of The Devil', this is for sale on the Dove Center's website along with T shirts bearing the same slogan.

Terry has hit the headlines, he always meant to. This is his chance to make it big. If he goes ahead, he may die trying.


two more articles here..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9102340

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dove_World_Outreach_Center
Dove World Outreach Center

Financial issues

In March 2010 local officials began an investigation into whether the church's for-profit business, TS and Company, which sells donated furniture on eBay, invalidated its exemption from local and state property taxes. As reported by the Gainsville Sun, the county appraiser's office said it was not investigating the church's tax exempt status because of any of its political or religious stances or because of its signs, but instead was concerned with "whether taxes need to be collected."<23> The church has since been assessed some $3100 per year in property taxes.<5>

Jones told the New York Times that following his July 2010 announcement of the book burning event, the bank which holds $140,000 mortgage loan on the church demanded immediate repayment of the balance and Jones had his property insurance canceled.<1> The church campus is currently on the market, with the asking price reduced from $2.9 million to $1.1 million.<24>

[murielm99]

35. Thank you.

They should do this to some of the other fundie churches. Megachurches sell things in their lobbies and conduct other crass fundraising gimmicks.

[slackmaster]

5. Sounds like a Special Pleading Fallacy to me. Plenty of Christians see the Bible as the literal...

...word of God.

In 2009 the US military burned 200 bibles that were sent unsolicited to Afghanistan by a church in the US.

There were no riots by Christians, no threats, nothing.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/20/us.military.bibles.burned/

[Peacetrain]

7. If the media would just stop and not cover it..

Let the pastor burn away.. it would not be a blip on the radar.

But the reason we have the nut job Bin Laden.. who was able to enlist people to attack the towers was because he got it into their heads Americans disrespected Islam.

What you personally, or I personally would feel or do has nothing to do with the price of tea in China.

[Bragi]

11. Korans WILL BE BURNED!

If harmony between Muslims and others depends on a Koran never getting burned, then we have a serious problem.

The Koran-burning genie is already out of the bottle, and there is no doubt but that Korans will be burned, if not Saturday, then Sunday, and if not in Florida, then in Memphis, if not by Jones, then by someone else.

And regardless of how polite US media choose to be, these Koran burnings will happen, they will be reported, and videos will be put on the Internet.

Fact is, American cannot guarantee that Korans will never be burned or Islam ever slighted.

If that is intolerable to some Muslims, then that's where we're at. What then?

[Peacetrain]

14. I never said there will never be book burnings..I said, just don't give

this idiot all this press..

Hell we can't get along in here without people leaving at the drop of hat over some hurt feelings.. multiply that by a million and with a cultural divide and seven years of war behind it.

[slackmaster]

13. YES, I agree completely.

:hi:

[louis-t]

10. Idiot fundies that don't realize it is illegal to proselytize

in Afghanistan. Remember the 2 girls who were captured at the beginning of the Afghan invasion?

[Bragi]

8. Are you trying to justify what is going to happen?

I agree this situation is serious and dire, but I'm not what your point is.

You wrote: "For Muslims.. it is just that.. so when that Pastor burns the Quran, he is destroying God. The fact that those who have been involved in the Middle East for so long now, understand how this could incite attacks on other people is because they have gotten a chance to understand that culture."

The culture you describe above seems to be profoundly inconsistent with ours, since we believe in things like free speech, and they seem to believe they have a right to attack people whose views they oppose.

So, given that we cannot and will not and don't want to limit free speech so as to exempt Korans or any religion from possible insult, what do you suggest?

[Peacetrain]

9. Again.. just let him burn away and not cover it..

It is not denying him his freedom of speech. This is America, we can burn books if we want to or not.. (burning books is probably one of the stupidest forms of protest going... but we have the freedom to be stupid)

[Bragi]

12. Burning will happen, and coverage will happen

There is no way either can be stopped.

It's called freedom of speech, and freedom of the press.

It's a big part of what America is.

[Bragi]

19. It *will* be covered!

This loon will be reported, and others are also going to burn Korans.

Visuals of those burnings may not show up on CNN, but they will show up online, and according to the threats being made, this is all that will be needed to trigger jihad and violence.

I know who I will blame for that violence: the people who engage in it.

[amandabeech]

32. I'm going to blame the same people you are,

assuming that Petraeus and Clinton are right.

Nonetheless, I hope that our soldiers in countries with a large Islamic population will take extra safety precautions.

[RaleighNCDUer]

20. I suggest it is cowardly to pick a fight that somebody else is going to

have to finish.

[BillE]

15. The Paster may be putting himself in danger

He may find himself with a Million Dollar price on his head or a death Fatwa declared against him. Cartoonists certainly got it for lesser offenses.

[Peacetrain]

17. Ah yep..

[Bragi]

18. No doubt

And who will we blame when he needs 24/7 security for the rest of his life?

The loon who exercised his right to free speech stupidly, or the loons who will be trying to murder him for dissing their holy book?

[RaleighNCDUer]

21. If he needs 24/7 security, he can damn well pay for it himself -

he's doing what he is doing against the sound advice of the entire fucking government and military.

He can't say he wasn't warned.

[Bragi]

24. I see

So it will be fine with you if Islamists murder him for legally expressing his idiotic opinions?

I'd suggest you think through your answer.

[RaleighNCDUer]

26. Did I say that?

You are trying to muddy the water with conflating one fanaticism with another.

If some idiot wants to walk into a train tunnel, and a dozen people have told him there's a train coming through any minute, what happens to him is on him alone.

I wouldn't walk into a biker bar and yell out "You're all a bunch of faggots and pussies". Would it be wrong of them to beat the crap out of me? Of course. Would I be insane to do it? Fuck yeah.

[Bragi]

27. To push your analogy

So if the bikers then said they were going to kill you, do you think the police should let them because you were stupid?

[RaleighNCDUer]

29. I wouldn't expect the police to protect me - and I'd pay for private security

which takes us back to my original statement.

The state has no business trying to save this idiot from himself.

[CBGLuthier]

22. Muslims are children. Time for them to grow up.

[JCMach1]

23. There are intractable idiocies on all sides of this issue, who I feel for are the innocents who will

die in the coming riots.

It is guaranteed to happen.

Just like the idiot media covering it more than the President's speech or the floods in Pakistan...

Just like the idiots who light the match...

The difference is the dufus in Gainesville has the power to stop it.

[Bragi]

25. You wrote:

The difference is the dufus in Gainesville has the power to stop it.

I don't think so. The Koran-burning genie is out of the bottle. Burnings will happen. It's just a matter of time and place. And there will be mayhem following that.

I think America needs to deal with this whatever Jones may or may not do.

(I agree with your other points.)

[JCMach1]

31. No, I really think he does... the media has honed in and if he just stopped it

really and truly and begged others not to follow that path, I think it would have some impact.

[amandabeech]

33. I think that the people who want to riot have the ability to control their behavior

and protest vociferously within the confines of the law.

[RaleighNCDUer]

28. ALL religionists are children.

Children have tantrums. Our tantrum killed a million Iraqis and tens of thousands of Afghanis. You suggest they are the ONLY ones who need to grow up?

[ZombieHorde]

34. "For Muslims.. it is just that..."

'For people who choose to believe the Quran is the word of an extremely powerful, supernatural creature, is is just that...'