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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 03:09 PM
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How could they be winning..


How can these polls be correct about how the RepubliCONS will be winning in this upcoming election when they have alienated every race or group in this country? How could they be winning when they made sure that all of the people who needed their unemployment were told they were lazy.?

How can they be winning when we have so much video we can use and post all over the net proving their damn lies? I don't believe it..Where in the hell are the Democrats,when Obama comes out and tells us what we can do the Dems should play the video with Boner saying "Oh no we can't"!
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 03:16 PM
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1. Sarah Palin is reportedly about to announce her candidacy for President.
That should galvanize even the most lethargic democrat.
GO SARAH!
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 03:51 PM
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9. I'll be shocked if she runs. She's too lazy and the job doesn't pay enough.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 05:42 PM
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35. She is now the leader of the republican party. Her endorsements of all these teabaggers
has them (republicans) fired up and the media reports every move she makes and every word she says. She will run and get her payback from all those politicians she is helping.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 03:57 PM
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11. She's not going to run
She's much too lazy and there is waaaay too much money to be made off the lemmings that love her. She'll keep them on the hook hoping she'll run and at the last minute, something will keep her from running (needs to care for her family or some such other bullshit).
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 12:45 PM
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26. Fuck Sarah Palin..
that seems to be the only thing a majority of her supporters want to do..
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 03:17 PM
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2. I'm convinced they aren't winning...
That it's all talk, much like the talk they babbled about Obama's chances at winning the presidential election... and we know how that turned out.

They lie...
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 03:43 PM
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6. I feel the same
after all, msm is bought and paid for by those who benefit from republican policy.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 09:28 PM
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37. Hillary was the media-declared frontrunner for the entire primary
Edited on Tue Sep-14-10 09:28 PM by Radical Activist
until the day people started voting in Iowa.
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Marsala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 03:19 PM
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3. They aren't winning. We're just losing
Unfortunately, it being a two-party system, they may win by default.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 04:36 PM
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18. Well said!
The Democrats can lose without the Rethuglicans doing anything to win. That has been the rethugs strategy from day one.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-10 08:00 PM
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39. Why are we losing?
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 03:26 PM
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4. It's the economy stupid.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 12:39 PM
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23. It aint't over ..
till its over,nobody hasn't voted yet..
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 03:29 PM
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5. Democrats in Congress and the WH Vastly Underestimated the Severity of the Downturn
They saw it as a credit crunch and focused on ensuring that the banks were okay. Their thinking was that this would revive the economy which it hasn't.

Now, they're going to pay a huge price for it at the polls.
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SlimJimmy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 03:49 PM
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8. I agree
We are going to get our asses handed to us in the mid-terms. Anyone who thinks otherwise has just not been paying attention, or is whistling past the grave. I've been involved in politics for thirty years, and I've never seen it this bad prior to a midterm (well, maybe '94). We need to get a very energetic lame duck session in the works if we are going to retain any semblance of power until we can reverse this course in 2012.


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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 03:58 PM
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12. I'm afraid you're absolutely right. We let things get away from
us and squandered a once in a generation opportunity with Obama's election. The mood among the general populace is foul and they're very much looking for someone to blame - guess who? I agree that unless we get our asses in gear and really flood the lame duck session with legislation that may have some immediate impact we are going to get hammered.
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SlimJimmy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 04:14 PM
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15. Yep (nt)
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 12:41 PM
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24. I think no one has voted yet..
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SlimJimmy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 02:00 PM
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32. You go right on with that head in the sand attitude.
We'll talk again after the midterms and see who needs a good lame duck session. The time to start planning that is now, not then.

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 03:53 PM
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10. There's not a big enough difference between the Parties...
Unfortunately.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 04:02 PM
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13. It's a ? of degrees. off year elections traditionally the party out of power wins more seats
the ? is will it be a traditional gain or a blow out. I think Dems have turned the corner and that we will not lose the house and senate.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 04:07 PM
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14. Republican voters are smarter than democratic ones?
they are enthusiastic to vote and would rather win then lose. Democrats not so much!
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 12:43 PM
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25. Wrong...
have you seen any teabagger tapes lately.Smarter than Democrats my ass..Dems aren't paying attention.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 04:16 PM
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16. You said...
How can these polls be correct about how the RepubliCONS will be winning in this upcoming election when they have alienated every race or group in this country?

This is simple: they don't ask minority voters...or, at least not enough of them! I've been active in politics all my life, as have most of my family. When I asked them how often they are polled; or, whether or not they've ever been polled, NOT ONE of them responded in the affirmative. NOT ONE!

Again, my entire family is from Atlanta and there is a very strong tradition of politically active minorities in that city and in the immediate surrounding cities like Decatur (Cynthia McKinney's old district). Most of the population in Georgia comes from Atlanta and the surrounding areas. No member of my family--and no one that I've ever met--has ever been polled or surveyed. NOT ONE!

Bottom line: these polls are full of shit! First, it's way too early to be counting chickens before they catch. Second, the polls don't account for people without LAN lines. Third, I find it very difficult to believe that these so-called polling experts are capturing a broad aspect of the voting population that is diverse. Lastly, these polls tend to capture registered, not likely voters. Some more respected and well done pollsters will provide "likely" and "registered" voters, but be leery of those polling organizations that only provide "registered" voters.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 04:30 PM
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17. Look at the whole picture.
Edited on Mon Sep-13-10 04:34 PM by DURHAM D
What does the Democratic President or Democratic Party stand for? DON'T KNOW

Where is the over-arching narrative? MISSING

Who is he/they fighting for? NOT THE MIDDLE CLASS

What are Obama's core values? DON'T HAVE A CLUE

What is Obama passionate about? NOTHING THAT I KNOW OF

THERE IS NO CLEAR MESSAGE.
(except for the wrong one that has been conveyed to the base)

To get out the voters (Dems and Independents) you have to be FOR SOMETHING - YOU HAVE TO STAND FOR SOMETHING. AND IT HAS TO BE CLEAR WHAT THAT IS. IT HAS TO BE SHORT. WHAT IS IT?


Edit: I am begging the Democrats - give us something to work with out here. Leaders - start leading. Give us a message we can get behind.

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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 05:56 PM
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20. Exactly! And it has to come from Obama. Nancy and Harry have already been ..........
painted as not able to unite Democrats in their respected chambers.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 12:49 PM
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29. So,what is the job..
of the so called Dems is it helping Cons because that's what most of them are pretending to be Dems..
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 12:47 PM
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27. And..
what do the repubs stand for? expect money and helping the rich. Where is the cons clear message how are they going to create jobs?
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 01:12 PM
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31. The clearest message is that they are all xenophobic.
Half the country feels the same.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 04:42 PM
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19. Reasons:
  • It's the usual trend

  • It's the expectation because it's the trend

  • The expectation is being enhanced by media reports



    If the election outcome bucks the trend and Republicans don't make significant gains, will everyone be surprised?

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    Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 06:17 PM
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    21. Great point.
    The real story is how few pug turnovers there actually are. Won't be covered.

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    Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 11:26 PM
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    22. It only takes 5% of people to sway an election
    If they vote one way in one election, then the opposite in the next that is a 10 point net gap.

    Either way, even if 2010 is a rout 2012 will likely see dem gains IMO. It'll be a presidential race so turnout will be higher. Turnout in midterms tends to be conservative (whites and older people tend to vote in midterms, non-whites and younger people tend to stay home). Plus the party in power loses seats. Plus there is energy on the GOP side but little on the dem side.

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    mstinamotorcity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 12:48 PM
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    28. The vote isn't until November
    They are lying. They must be lying. I haven't participated in any polls, except in DU. No one has called me. No one has sent a mailer to my address.They are polling their own constituents.Not the Democratic party. And most Independents are former repugs. Do not believe them. This is the conquer and divide ploy make you think that you are out numbered when you are not. They have used every hateful buzz word to incite a very bad taste in the mouths of Americans.They are liars and you cannot believe what they say. Believe the millions of people you see out of work.
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    butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 01:02 PM
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    30. No,the media..
    Edited on Tue Sep-14-10 01:04 PM by butterfly77
    wants you to believe their bullshit day in and day out,morning noon and night change the channel and you hear the same old shit about the Dems are losing and asking Dems and repugs what should they do as though it is a for gone conclusion..

    They looking at it as an sporting event they don't give a damn about people.
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    mstinamotorcity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 05:00 PM
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    33. They do care about
    advertising.Don't forget that Media Matters is doing a 30 second commercial during Bill O'Reilly on Fox tonight don't miss it.
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    Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 05:26 PM
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    34. Your reasoning is accurate. But Neocons don't need to reason.
    Come Nov. 2nd, they have this advantage: Most states are still using the
    Republican-made electronic voting machines that leave no paper trails.
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    besdayz Donating Member (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 09:27 PM
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    36. a
    polls mean very little this time around b/c there will be a sea change in the voting public.....
    and my guess is that they will be GOP but not as overwhelmingly so as predicted...these people hate old white farts in the GOP as much as liberals..
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    butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-10 08:04 PM
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    40. The polls..
    never have meant anything,the media asks a sample group of people who don't speak for the majority of the public and usually are very much uninformed.

    Things will change between now and election day and the Dems are not going down without a fight because we will make them do what we want..
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    spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 10:13 PM
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    38. pssss...they're not.
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