BRING BACK HOWARD DEAN! ...to lead the DNC.

[onehandle]

[mikelgb]

1. K + R

[democrank]

2. Agree....and while he`s leading the DNC he

can give leadership classes on how to deal with Rethugs and still stand for something.

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[jgraz]

4. Now THERE's a logo I can get behind.

[MissDeeds]

5. His leadership is certainly needed

K&R

[trayfoot]

6. Better yet, give him Rahm's job!

[Nite Owl]

8. Now that would be change

we can believe in!

[peace frog]

48. +2

My hope for the Dem party, and for this country, would be restored in that event!

Bring back Howard Dean NOW!!!

[molly77]

49. If Howard Dean got Rahm's job

I might be able to vote for a democrat. When the democrats in office can't pass legislation to help US, only the corporations, why bother to go to the polls in Nov. Sorry I cannot have any party loyalty. My party left me.

Howard Dean has been treated horribly by this administration and the clintons. But, to me , they are all the same.

[LiberalAndProud]

61. fine. stay home and enjoy.

But be sure to keep your peace when you reap the reward.

[atreides1]

65. Reward?

Pray tell!

[pansypoo53219]

74. yes,

you get a big slice of republikkkan pie.
crazee crazee pie

[molly77]

80. Stay home and reap the rewards of having a republican

replace a democrat? If they all vote the same , who cares?

[LiberalAndProud]

83. Since you're in Maine, the likelihood of that isn't great.

They don't all vote the same. You know this. They aren't interchangeable. You also know this. But here's the thing, your vote probably won't change the direction in your election anyway, so keep your easy chair on November 2nd.

I'm in a red state too. I get nothing good in return, except for credentials to bitch. If you stay home, then shut up. That's all I'm saying.

[sallyseven]

76. I'll bet you never voted for a Democrat.

I think your a repuk and a tea bagger. Grow the hell up.

[molly77]

81. I only voted republican once in my life

and deeply regretted it. I am a democrat through and through. I love Howard Dean...and surprisingly to you I am sure. ...I still like Obama. But where we probably disagree is that I think the clintons have been running the Obama administration and trying to sabotage him the whole time.

[chimpymustgo]

52. Dean for Chief of Staff!!!!! Been sayin'

[Flipper999]

54. Or just fire Rahm.

All sorts of people would probably do a better job.

[kenfrequed]

77. Rahm departing would help.

Though putting Warren in place helped a hell of a lot for my morale.

[lonestarnot]

64. Now that would be some change I could get behind!

[BEZERKO]

69. That might get the base fired up!

Sounds good to me!

[ClarkUSA]

7. No thanks. Dean stands with teabaggers on saying "No!" to a Ground Zero mosque. nt

[donheld]

26. If that's all you got on him, I say you got nothing.

[ClarkUSA]

29. Yeah, religious bigotry is "nothing". Muslim-American voters are "nothing".

Try and win a single statewide election in Michigan with that slogan.

[donheld]

30. After all the work Dr Dean has done,

his one statement negates all that?

[ClarkUSA]

32. It makes him an unfit candidate to lead the DNC and speak for all Democrats, yes. nt

[donheld]

37. .

:crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:

[mdmc]

53. Did he oppose it or say that he could understand the politics

behind opposing it?

It is wrong to oppose the mosque, but politically easy to do so..

[ClarkUSA]

55. Dean used the same rationale as Sarah Palin & Newt Gingrich in opposing the mosque.

Read more: http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/08/18/dean

Here are varied sources about it: http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=howard+dean+ground+zero+mosque&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

<< It is wrong to oppose the mosque, but politically easy to do so. >>

I agree, which makes it even more disgusting that Dean took this position, because he has no political reason to do so, which means he really feels this way. Dean does not represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic party and he will never be the DNC Chairman again.

[mdmc]

95. much ado my friend

much ado about nada..

[golfguru]

33. I stand with Howard Dean on the mosque issue /

[ClarkUSA]

57. You also stand with Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin. I'm a New Yorker and I don't. nt

[golfguru]

94. and also with 71% of all Americans //

[tavalon]

36. So do a number of DUers

They are wrong but right on many other things. If this is your single issue, line in the sand, then okay. But otherwise, he's the Change We Need.

[PBass]

41. Dean's position on the "Ground Zero Mosque" (sic) is a lot more nuanced than "No!"

as you just claimed.

Disappointing? Yes. Deal breaker? Hell no.

BRING BACK HOWARD DEAN

[ClarkUSA]

58. Dean's position is the same as Newt Gingrich's & Sarah Palin's. If that's "nuanced" to you, fine.

No one with that position is ever going to be chosen DNC Chairman. Religious bigotry against Muslims is a deal breaker for the party and for most liberal Democrats like me (I'm a born and bred New Yorker, too).

[Enthusiast]

46. Yes, I was disappointed in this.

But, I'm good with the rest of his positions. I can't understand why he takes this position on the mosque. Building it would serve to showcase U.S. tolerance and humanity.

[ClarkUSA]

60. "Building it would serve to showcase U.S. tolerance and humanity."

:thumbsup:

With a beautifully expressed perspective like that, you deserve to be DNC Chairman more than Dean does because you represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party more than he does. I tell you this as a New Yorker whose best friend worked five blocks from Ground Zero on September 11.

[Enthusiast]

71. Above all else we have to

live up to our founding principles. These are what made us a great nation. I don't know why people have lost sight of that.

[ClarkUSA]

84. +1

If you speak as well as you write, you should run for office. Start at the local level. You'd be a shoo-in (unless you live in Wyoming, Kansas or Utah).

[Enthusiast]

98. Thank you for the kind words.. nt

[wake.up.america]

47. That is a point with which I strongly disagree with Dean

[molly77]

82. Nobody is perfect

Howard Dean is a leader. He has been treated horribly by the clintons and the Obama administration.He won the election for Obama and got fired.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

9. The guy who's all upset over the "ground zero mosque?"

He's unfit for the job.

[w4rma]

10. Interesting how the DLCers latch on to one thing and try and try and try. (nt)

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

11. Bigotry is a pretty big thing to latch onto.

Hell, I'm not even DLC. Aren't you a little tired of that conspiracy theorist boogeyman?

[pa28]

28. He's an anti-religious bigot?

Are you sure you want to be the one to wag that particular finger around?

[YOY]

20. Did you know Dennis Kucinich once took a ride with aliens and smoked some alien doobage?

Or so that crazy crazy crazy man claims!

And That fucker FDR put the Japanese Americans in camps! That's all the bastard did! The only thing!

[whathehell]

23. Exactly....what garbage.

[whathehell]

24. Uh....No.

He wasn't "all upset" in the least...He stated his opinion. He didn't think it was smart and neither did I.

..And if THAT is all you know about Dr. Dean, you don't know squat.

[Bitwit1234]

12. As I posted in the grandstanding of Kaine.

Howard Dean went out and got campaigns to elect Democrats in the 50 states. The replaced him with Tim Kaine. Who promptly went out and got someone to make up a new logo. Boy Howdy doody...logos now they are what win elections. HA!!!!!

[Ignis]

13. Nah, he won us control of Congress, and that's inconvenient.

When we control Congress, voters expect us to actually do something with that mandate.

:scared:

It's much more pleasant to rearrange these deck chairs.

[suzie]

17. The anger against everything George Bush and Dick Cheney gave us Congress.

But some certainly wish to give it back to the same folks who supported their every move.

Interesting that a certain group among those call themselves "progressives/liberals".

[Ignis]

18. So Dr. Dean's work had NOTHING to do with it?

Oh. Well. OK then. :freak: I mean, that anti-Dean explanation flies in the face of the evidence available--but since I can't put on my telepathy hat and read voters' minds, I guess we'll take your word for it.

But pray tell, who precisely are accusing of both being a faux progressive and wanting to hand Congress back to the RWers? Or was this ever-so-sly implication simply another attempt to paint those who dare to disagree with the current "STFU about the gay stuff, the economy, and the wars--but remember to show up in November to pull the lever, you dirty hippies" approach to GOTV as somehow being in bed with the Thugs?

:eyes:

Yeah, that's an original one.

[craigmatic]

14. I was thinking the samething after seing Kain on GMA today. Dean was competent.

Dean would've made us compete in all districts instead of leaving 21 seats uncontested. Kain is a guy who got the job because Obama is his friend.

[Norrin Radd]

15. kr

[AtomicKitten]

16. Why do people keep banging their head on a wall over stuff like this?

Kaine is DNC Chair whether some like it or not. Get over it.

[Cal33]

19. They have limited terms, don't they? Dean for next chairman?

[AtomicKitten]

22. I think Dean did a great job at the DNC during his tenure

and would support him in that capacity in the future. I just think it's kinda of pointless to be in a constant state of waxing rhapsodic over something we have no control over.

[whathehell]

25. Because...

we have hope for something better?:eyes:

[defendandprotect]

43. Suggest you try to stop banging your head on a wall over this stuff ... Get over it--!!!

Kaine was a poor choice --

Howard Dean is an excellent choice -- and proved it!

[AtomicKitten]

72. *

----> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9obgyYB1IU

[defendandprotect]

86. "You want a pony" .... is now "Oompha Loompha" .... and that's the progress you've made ...???

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


This will probably come as a shock to you, but the GOP doesn't attack their base ....

they USE IT . . . to move the GOP and politics to the RIGHT --

Obviously, Obama/Dems aren't interested in moving government to the LEFT -- otherwise,

they'd be using liberal/progressive criticism on issues to move the party to the LEFT -- !!


You might have had a small hint of that when Obama eloped into the White House with DLC/

corporate-Rahm and Wall Street, the banksters and kept the secretive Bernanke on at the

FED keeping taxpayers from knowing where their "bailout" dollars were actually going!


A few more bread crumbs can be found in Obama and Baucus leading the attacks on universal

health care, keeping a single payer system off the table for their health care industry

sponsors. Interesting that Rahm even "crowed' about this in his bragging that they had

"preserved the private health care system for business" -- !!


Did we elect a Democratic president so he'd load a panel with Republicans anxious to destroy

Social Security and Medicare . . . ?


Stop worrying about the "pony" and watch what has to be cleaned up in the stables!

[AtomicKitten]

88. blah blah sell-out blah blah DLC blah blah pony blah blah wheeze blah

[defendandprotect]

90. Quite some debating technique -- I'm sure we're all envious . . . !!!

:eyes:

[AtomicKitten]

91. Kaine is still DNC Chair & Dean has moved on. Long past time to pull up your socks and do the same.

[defendandprotect]

92. Kaine is a step backwards in support for repoductive rights --

and is not as qualified as Howard Dean --

Howard Dean, fortunately, is still with us --

Not so clear as to whom Obama is with!

Pull up your own socks and "move on" -- !!

[tritsofme]

21. If Dean was DNC chair during this period you would all hate him as much as Kaine/Obama

When we have the presidency, the DNC is but a political arm of the White House. "Dean's" DNC would have looked exactly the same.

[onehandle]

27. I don't hate Kaine or Obama. But I think Obama and the party would be in a better position...

...under 50 state strategy Governor Dean.

[democracy1st]

31. K & R

[glinda]

34. K & R n/t

[tavalon]

35. Hell, I'm ready to back him for President in 2012

But yeah, he should replace what's his name immediately.

[Winston Wolf]

38. K and fuckin' R.

I'd follow Howard Dean straight through the gates of hell.

That man has a passion for doing the right thing - something that is becoming increasingly rare these days.

I sure hope he can come to save the day.

Granted that there's still a day left to save.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

39. Yup

He still screams for me.

[DallasNE]

40. Add Me To The List Of People

Wanting Dr. Dean back leading the DNC.

[defendandprotect]

42. Would be wonderful . . . and intelligent move -- !!

The democratic wing of the Democratic Party -- nice change!!

[DFW]

44. The party chair is a different animal when that party is in the White House

When we are in the opposition, the DNC chair is the real party head. When we have the White House, the president
is the party head. Howard stepped down because he was right to give Obama to pick the DNC chair. The fact that
Obama picked the wrong guy for the job doesn't have any bearing on this.

After the election, Howard was the logical pick for HHS. Only Rahm's grudge holding kept Howard from that position,
which is what he really would have liked. Rahm made sure Howard was shut out of the Obama administration, and got
instead probably the most important and well-liked Democrat sought after on every talk show there is, free to speak
his mind with no inhibiting loyalty to the administration.

Howard has long been of the opinion that younger people need to take over, anyway. He likes that Obama is still under 50.
He thinks that he, at 62 (will be in November) is already too old to even consider presidential politics now. Plenty of
us think he's wrong, but that's the way he feels about it.

For now, he's content to speak his mind and "raise hell about causes I believe in," as he puts it. He certainly isn't
bored. Just trying to catch hold of him is like trying to chase a tornado.

I just wish that Howard would have a say in who is DNC chair. He certainly was the most successful one we've had in a while.

Leave it to Rahm to blow our seemingly invincible juggernaut that we appeared to be after the 2008 election.

Leave it to Howard to remind us of what might have been (or what might still be).

[YvonneCa]

85. Great post. I think you are...

...exactly right. :)

[DFW]

89. I had lunch with him about 6 weeks ago. He hasn't changed his view on all this

And he is, as always, perfectly willing to say what he thinks, and why.

That's probably why he's not in the government now. Can't have people doing saying what they think, can we?

[YvonneCa]

93. ...

...:7

[Citizen Worker]

45. The DLC gave Dean the boot. Get rid of the DLC and we may regain a semblance of what once was the

Democratic party.

[peace frog]

51. I'm down with that

A girl can dream, can't she. Imagine no DLC, I wonder if you can.

[defendandprotect]

87. DLC corporate wing/Emmanuel in the White House now TWO YEARS ...!!

Don't know if we can take another two years of this!!

[Pryderi]

50. knr

[davidwparker]

56. +1

[Kingofalldems]

59. Republicans fear him--

That is why he is attacked on the internet so much.------> :shrug:

[laughingliberal]

62. K & R nt

[lonestarnot]

63. K & R!

[DesertFlower]

66. yes. nt

[mckara]

67. We Need a Proven WINNER!!!!!!!!!

We need to call OUR doctor!

[BigD_95]

68. i agree

[Smarmie Doofus]

70. Beats doing nothing.

Nothing appears not to be working.

If we get an electoral repreive because of the wing-nut takeover of the other party it will be because of THAT reason and that reason alone.

"Nothing" still does not work for us.

Not in terms of earning popularity with the general public; not in terms of solving real social problems.

[The Wizard]

73. K&R

Assertive leadership from the grass roots. The DLC corporate stooges are only interested in getting big money from corporate shysters.

[DirtyDawg]

75. It ain't gonna happen...

...but it should. Don't know if anybody saw, and perhaps it's been mentioned above, the current DNC head, Kain (or ever how he spells it) on The Daily Show last week. It was pathetic. He whipped out that key-chain/don't give 'em the keys back, thing and Jon Stewart did everything, including laughing at it, that a FauxNews would do to belittle the Dems' lousy efforts at message strategy.

As I watched it I wanted to crawl through the screen and grab both of them - Kain and Stewart - by the neck. If Howard had been there Stewart's rant wouldn't have lasted five seconds. Stewart was griping about the Dems' failure to establish a focused message strategy that would 'win the day'. I was shouting 'Dammit Kain, stop him right there with...'Let me get this effin straight, Jon, you're saying that come November your gonna vote to return Republican's into power - and all that represents - because you don't think we've done a good enough job at messaging? The only message you need to know, and the one you should be hammering here, night-in/night-out, is that these SOBs have done everything in their power to rip the Country apart and given the opportunity will finish the job'...but no, the guy, sheepishly, grinned and allowed Stewart to make him look weak and unprepared. Howard would have had Jon eatin' out of his hand right up 'til 'the moment of Zen'.

[Duval]

78. Delighted to rec this! Thanks!

[onehandle]

79. .

[angee_is_mad]

96. so he can say, "Vote for the rethug/indie in Florida"

Over the progressive democrat?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

97. ITA!