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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 09:51 AM
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Tim Kaine can't even answer the simple question - HOW are you going to motivate the Dems to vote?
Chuck Todd & Savannah Guthrie gave him every opportunity & all he could say is we're better than the republicans.

No bumpersticker message, nothing motivational other than the rethugs will take us backward.

Even Biden was more motivating during his interview with Rachel last nite than Kaine was today.

Yes - I am venting. I am frustrated!! We need excitement coming from the DNC. Not a bunch of excuses of why the teabaggers are more motivated than us. Get to work Kaine, or resign!
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 09:55 AM
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1. Not the time....
Dump him after the 2010 Election. Like it or not, he's the guy until then.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 09:56 AM
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3. It could be worse - we could have Michael Steele.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 10:18 AM
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11. In a sense, we DO HAVE Michael Steele...
God Bless his wacky soul!
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 09:56 AM
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2. The teabaggers didn't wait for party leaders to motivate them....
.... they got off of their butts and started talking to (or yelling at) their neighbors.

While we sat around and waited for the President to do our work for us.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 10:02 AM
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6. I have to disagree with you - their leaders motivated them. Palin, Beck - etc.
They started spewing their bs, organizing rallies and the insane among us started coming out of the woodwork.

I can call and call and call voters in my area to get out and vote but that is only part of it. I'm not talking about Obama and Biden here, they are really ramping up the message. I'm talking about a strategy.

I want to win in November & I hope Tim Kaine proves me wrong.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 10:08 AM
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8. Palin and Beck don't run the RNC
So where are the Democratic leaders outside of the WH, Congress and the DNC?

They've got Rove, Palin, Limbaugh, Beck and others rallying them.

Democrats spend all their time complaining about the President, as if he's on the ballot or the only one voting in November.

Frankly, nothing Kaine says is likely to motivate anyone who wants him replaced with Howard Dean.

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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 10:13 AM
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10. You're right! But when the leader of the DNC is asked over and over how he is going to motivate the
base to gotv - he should be able to answer.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 11:12 AM
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16. There is one thing he could say that could motivate a lot of us.
"I'm stepping down and turning the DNC back over to Howard Dean - he knew what the fuck he was doing."
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 10:21 AM
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13. Not exactly - they had millions of dollars from the Koch bros and Fox newshandling their PR ...
... we don't have that kind of muscle.

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 10:31 AM
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15. Well, they did not appear out of thin air. There is a huge organization and leadership
that creates this energy (Dick Armey, ...).

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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 09:57 AM
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4. There is no easy answer - the damage to base morale has been done. No easy redo on that,
Edited on Thu Sep-16-10 10:25 AM by leveymg
at this late date. Nothing this Administration or Congress might be willing to try, anyway.

Indictment of Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Rove and some others for war crimes might do the trick to start. Or, nationalize BP and the Big Banks. But, THIS Administration isn't about to even think about THAT . . .
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 10:02 AM
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5. I've never been remotely motivated by Tim Kaine
I recall seeing him many times on TV but I can't recall ever hearing him say anything relevant or compelling.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 10:04 AM
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7. I'm not waiting around for someone to "motivate" me. I've been doing GOTV with OFA for months now.
Edited on Thu Sep-16-10 10:12 AM by ClarkUSA
Howard Dean never did a thing for me. Nor did Terry McAuliffe.

What's up with the new onus on a DNC Chair being a motivator?
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 10:08 AM
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9. I've been doing that too - we have alot at stake in Arizona!! But when the leader of the DNC
is invited on a national cable news show and asked how he is going to motivate his base, he should have an answer, don't ya think?

Even Biden's "Get in gear, man or we are going to lose everything" message was more than Kaine could get out of his mouth today.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 10:18 AM
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12. I didn't see the show but I do know that Kaine is not a flashy talker.
Edited on Thu Sep-16-10 10:19 AM by ClarkUSA
Kaine is more of a behind-the-scenes facilitator than a TV personality. It's that Midwest (that's where he grew up) vanilla persona.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 11:25 AM
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20. In which case, he is in the wrong job.
He should be where Rahm is, as that is his strength. The DNC is the public face of the Democratic Party - sure, Obama is the titular head of the party, but he has to be president of the nation and look beyond partisanship. The DNC chair MUST be partisan. He must be the messenger and the message. That's where Dean excelled - he could rally the base, he could empower the 50 state organizations, he could put out a message of clear Democratic principles. Kaine seems incapable of that. McAuliffe, before Dean, never tried - he was partisan only for the DLC. Dean, despite his being presented as a left-liberal, was a moderate who helped a lot of much more conservative Dems get into office with his 50 state strategy. Kaine, OTOH, seems intent on driving the other wing, the left-liberals OUT of office.

It's time to shake things up. Move Rahm out of the WH. Replace Kaine. Put people in who are not trying to undermine the progressive base.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 01:48 PM
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22. Lately I'm having the fantasy of Biden being the head of the DNC - that is of course
after he is done being VP.

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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 10:26 AM
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14. Frankly Biden should be the one going on these shows--he's great.
Kaine is the wrong guy for this job. Sorry, Mr. President, I love you, but your friend shouldn't be DNC chair.
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 10:54 PM
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26. Obama made the right choice for VP
The contrast between Biden's appearances and Kaine's appearances makes that unbelievably obvious.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 11:14 AM
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17. Tim is failure on so many levels
He promoted and signed anti gay laws as Governor, and he defends his prejudices in hyper Evangelical terms, same as Palin. Say good morning to Tim Kaine and he's at a loss for an answer. Bigotry stunts minds.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 11:15 AM
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18. Don't wait for the Cavalry. YOU are the Cavalry.
Call your local Democratic office and sign up for GOTV efforts or start a grassroots table at fall events in your town.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 11:24 AM
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19. zz - I am involved. All I am saying is that Kaine should be able to answer that question.
Believe me when I say that I spend everyday trying new ways to get Brewer out of office!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 10:48 PM
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25. Coolioo! n/t
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besdayz Donating Member (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 01:05 PM
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21. a
the tea party beneffited from daily plugs on fox and many of their hosts pledging outright support in their fair and balanced way....

sadly we got no network equivalent as most of the big press is conservative....

i have hope though b/c we dominate the internet mobilization and fundraising......
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 04:49 PM
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23. Found the video of this
Posted here

IMO, Kaine started off a bit weak, but his overall response was pretty good. He was able to reject Chuck Todd's argument.

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 05:00 PM
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24. Good grief. Thanks for posting this.
Kaine was well-informed and straightforward, and that in the face of CTodd's sniveling line of questioning.

Me thinks the dissatisfaction with Kaine has more to do with some people's infatuation with Howard Dean who did a great job during his tenure but is no longer DNC Chair.
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angee_is_mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 10:56 PM
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27. here we go again!
:spank:
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