Get it straight...President Obama would NOT be "liberated" by a Republican takeover this fall!

[Ken Burch]

Obama would not gain anything from progressive voices being driven away from even the distant place at the end of the table we have now.

Bill Clinton didn't improve as a president because of the GOP takeover in 1994. He was reduced to being a figurehead, a junior partner in a center-right coalition.

Those who push the "Obama would be liberated by a GOP Congress" meme are NOT friends of this administration or this party. They are the voices of Corporate America who want to see the president elected by this country's progressive majority in 2008 reduced to being nothing more than a spokesperson for the right-wing status quo.

Don't listen to them.

Don't trust them'

See them for what they are: THE ENEMY!!!!!

[eleny]

1. Agreed

[LiberalAndProud]

2. Did somebody say he would? In what context?

[Ken Burch]

4. Google "Lanny Davis" for a start.

There's also been unattributed comments from Dem strategists suggesting that it would be in Obama's interest for Dems to do badly this year so he could run against a RW Congress in 2012(or not run against them and just promise to surrender to them, as our last Dem incumbent did in 1996).

[David__77]

5. That POS...

Those people do NOT have a place in the Democratic Party in my opinion.

[LiberalAndProud]

6. Oh.

Well RW trolls will always be RW trolls. What can I say? I can't be surprised that he's working to undermine our party. It's always been his way.

[Ken Burch]

7. Even when he was a staffer in what was supposed to be a Democratic administration

n/t.

[LiberalAndProud]

8. Mmmm hmmm.

One wonders how much damage a mole can do that close to the inner circle.

[Ken Burch]

28. Now, the "Democratic" president Lanny Davis has said the same thing

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/19/ftn/main6881548.shtml?tag=strip

This PROVES we should never have renominated the guy in '96.

[Ken Burch]

29. (that SHOULD have read...)

"The 'Democratic' president Lanny Davis worked for has said the same thing".

[NRaleighLiberal]

3. Thom Hartmann has an interesting theory on all of this - the target is 2012.

Tea Party = Republicans..not that it is an entirely manufactured Civil War, but they do not break ranks when power and influence is there for the taking. Obama is "not one of them". He is not white like them. Many of them doubt he is an American. Thom sees it as rooted in race....and fear....and loss of something that many of the Obama detractors on the right never really had or understood in the first place.

So I agree with you. It is no advantage whatsoever if Dems sit this one out and let the government go divided...because it would just be the next step needed to return the presidency to them as well in 2012. And God help all of us in the US - even those ignorant, easily mislead hoards who are Republicans, Tea Partiers, or those independents who, to "spite" Obama, will sit this one out. This is dangerous territory for all of us.

[golfguru]

9. I beg to differ

If republican take over congress, The president wins easily in 2012.
If democrats retain control of House and majority in senate, it will be a difficult
re-election for president Obama.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

10. Let me guess

You voted for Nader in 2000 because you thought there was no difference between Bush and Gore.

[Ken Burch]

13. No...that was a DLC argument, not a Naderite one.

It was the DLC that gloated about how much better things supposedly were once the liberals were TOTALLY out in the cold(i.e., after 1994). It wasn't something said by people who criticized the party from the left.

[golfguru]

18. Wrong! Try again //

[nxylas]

15. I beg to differ from your differing

If the Repugs win in November, they will continue to obstruct everything Obama tries to do, and Obama will continue to get the blame for "failing to show leadership".

[golfguru]

17. Different subject

I was talking about re-election 2012.
You are talking about next 2 years.
We both are right on the different subjects.
So I concur with you that a GOP takeover of congress will be horrible.

[nxylas]

20. No, I was talking about 2012 as well

The Republicans own the media, and such liberal journalists that exist are cowed into overcompensating for their sinful liberal bias by going far easier on Republicans than Democrats. Whatever the Pukes do to America in the next two years will be blamed firmly on Obama (in between manufactured outrages like the "Ground Zero mosque"). That has to damage his chances of re-election.

[golfguru]

22. Every bill has to be passed by congress

It is impossible to blame Obama if both houses are controlled
by republicans. The president can't spend one red cent without
congressional approval.

If the unemployment is still high in 2012 & the economy in bad shape,
no one can blame it on democrats if republicans control congress.

[nxylas]

27. Since when do logic and facts dictate media narratives?

No-one can LOGICALLY blame Obama for the so-called "Ground Zero mosque" either. But they do.

[JVS]

11. Who is pushing that meme?

Perhaps they think that such an event would trigger a "circle the wagons" reaction.

[opihimoimoi]

12. Obama plays basketball...he is no fool...he will prevail as he plays honestly and competively

on/off the court.

Fairness is the Game

Smartness is part of it

Team Play gets Trophies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4l3Rgq-L1M&feature=more_related

He has CLASS

[BzaDem]

14. There are people here that want him to have a GOP Congress, to send Obama "a message."

Something tells me if they are that far off the deep end, they won't be convinced by your post.

[Ken Burch]

24. It's people on the RIGHT wing of the party who'd buy the "liberated" meme

Not anybody on the Left.

[3waygeek]

16. The Republicans haven't liberated anything

since 1862.

[Name removed]

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[geek tragedy]

21. Amen. Obama and progressives are on the same side.

It may not always seem that way, but we need him and he needs us.

[Skittles]

23. that's ridiulous logic, but pretzel logic is a common affliction with THEM

[LaydeeBug]

25. I just wish Mr. Gibbs and Mr. Emmanuel thought they were the enemy too, instead of thinking it's me.

nt

[Proud Liberal Dem]

26. Davis' comments are dumb

Despite what many people believe about him having negative views of progressives, I don't honestly believe that President Obama dislikes progressives as much as some people seem to believe he does nor do I believe that he (and the rest of the Democratic Party) want to "tank" this election so that he can be "liberated" from worrying about what progressives want and care about and allowing to him to "cater" to the Republicans- certainly NOT by having the Republicans come in and take over Congress. Even though Davis is spewing a bunch of BS, it is, unfortunately, not unlike some of what I've seen posted here and elsewhere, albeit from a different angle, of course.