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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 10:43 AM
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It's Not the End of the World-Why we can survive a Republican Congress
I know, cold comfort, but some (for me anyway).

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=its_not_the_end_of_the_world


It's Not the End of the World
Why we can survive a Republican Congress
Paul Waldman | November 2, 2010 | web only



Days before the midterms, President Obama makes a final get-out-the-vote push for Democratic candidates in Bridgeport, Connecticut. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)


When Barack Obama was elected in 2008, many Republicans went berserk. The governor of Texas began talking about seceding from the Union, religious conservatives literally saw the new president as the Antichrist and decided Armageddon was around the corner, and people even started listening to Glenn Beck. Now, faced with the likelihood of a Republican takeover of the House of Representatives (and the small but real possibility of the Senate turning Republican as well), Democrats have to decide just how freaked out to be.

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Don't get me wrong -- I'm not among those who believe that having a Republican Congress is just what the doctor ordered for Obama's political fortunes. It may prove politically useful for the administration to have a foil, and when Americans get to know John Boehner and the gang, they're not likely to be particularly impressed. What matters most are results, and with such an oppositional opposition, there won't be much in the way of results coming from Congress.

There's a difference, however, between getting less of what you want through Congress and getting an avalanche of conservative legislation -- something Republicans will be unable to make happen. It's not that they won't be able to do some meaningful harm, but the harm they do will be mostly negative in nature. In other words, they will be able to stop the Obama administration from doing some of the things it wants to do, but they won't be moving the Republican agenda forward.

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If Republicans take the House, there's also a good chance they'll lose it right back in 2012. If they do win the House, it will be by a small margin. And in 2012, they'll probably suffer significant losses. First of all, provided the economy looks better in two years than it does today, chances are that President Obama is going to romp to re-election -- like Ronald Reagan did in 1984 after suffering losses in 1982, and like Bill Clinton did in 1996 after suffering losses in 1994 -- and if he does, there will be some coattails in congressional races. Second, the Republican class of 2010 is going to include a lot of inexperienced, inept, and just plain crazy people who are going to be vulnerable to challenge when they have to run in a year not characterized by 9.6 percent unemployment and a general mood of rage.

Nothing is certain in politics, and the next two years could turn into a nightmare. But it's more likely it'll be mildly unpleasant, not catastrophic. The country will survive, just as it has survived before. And before you know it, the pendulum will swing back.

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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 10:52 AM
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1. I'm somewhat excited about it....
.... I'm NOT excited that the GOP will control the gavel .... but I think the President needs a foil ... one that is EXPECTED to do something. So I'm excited about the political aspect of it.

I also hold a teeny, tiny hope that, being forced to work w/one another, something will get done to help the economy even more.

Until THIS guy stops doing THIS ....



.... I'm not overly worried.


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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 10:54 AM
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2. I read another article this a.m.
bemoaning the fact that Obama doesn't seem worried. I swear. I decided it wasn't worthy of Obama or DU. :eyes:

Never a dull moment in politics, is there.

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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 10:57 AM
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3. It's clear he thinks long-term
Edited on Tue Nov-02-10 11:18 AM by AspenRose
And he's a lot smarter than many of us.

I hope the gamble pays off. And hope the economy recovers.

This will also give us a time to primary some Blue-Dogs and get more Progressives in the party.

Hey BabylonSister (and you too Clio), thanks for the optimism. Tomorrow is the beginning of a long, long journey.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 11:03 AM
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5. Pres. Clinton said yesterday....
"you all are upset because most of the jobs dont come until the last 3rd." By that he meant the last 3rd of the recovery .... which is exactly what the President's budget is saying, unemployment is gonna stay at 8 or 9% until 2012.

The two Presidents are clearly NOT the best of buds ... so in the areas where they're saying the SAME THING, we have to take heed.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 11:01 AM
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4. I think I saw that one too...
.... steaming pile of BS it it was!

Whenever I hear someone make that claim I 1. wonder if they weren't paying attention at ALL during the '08 election and 2. wonder why they aren't supporting the screaming, angry party (if that's what matters most.)

One of the reasons I voted FOR him was because I wanted the CALM GUY in charge of the WARHEADS.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 11:03 AM
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6. Two more years of gridlock under the GOP?
Yes two more years that the Oligarchs can continue to tighten their hold.

That sucks, and there's no way to sugarcoat it.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 11:09 AM
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8. They've been gridlocking even when they didn't control
either chamber. Maybe they'll be required to at least act like they're doing something. I know, not holding breath either.
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 11:17 AM
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12. yes, exactly
I'm really not looking forward to tonight--it'll SUCK to see the tea partiers gloat, oh, that will hurt--but it probably does make a presidential victory in 2012 even likelier, because it makes the Republicans bear some responsibility for unpopular behavior, it'll relieve some of the pent-up pressure of the "I want my country back" bullshit, and they'll be a foil to the Democrats who'll clearly be the party who wanted to do good things for people but were blocked by the House majority.

So, the next two years will be painful, but if it means 2010 and not 2012 is the year when the pendulum swings back to the right, that's some balm.
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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 11:05 AM
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7. It may embolden PBO

President Obama may decide to take the fight to them. He's vastly smarter than they are, time to start using that all powerful brain of his, and his passion to do great things.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 11:12 AM
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9. Did it for almost ten years--I think we can survive it again.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 11:13 AM
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10. I'm not convinced they WILL lose control
of either or both houses sis. I mean I know 'I' didn't answer one poll question this year. How many people even have home phones anymore? The younger generation just uses cell phones. I'm going to wait and see how this all shakes out before I panic.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 12:08 PM
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15. No panic here either; que sera sera. nt
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NI4NI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 12:14 PM
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17. I'm with you!
I'm not so sure the House Democrat majority will be lost. I would be mildly surprised if so(and truly disappointed); But, after so many months of political right wing attacks, and MSM blasting just how angry Americans are, the only angry Americans I have seen were teabaggers.
I understand that unemployment is a big issue, but I happen to think that most unemployed Americans are aware of who voted for benefit extensions, and who fought against them.
I also understand why gay and lesbian Americans should be frustrated and ticked off with DADT not being repealed, but I would think that they too are also aware of what party stands for their rights, and who doesn't.
As for the DEM majority in the Senate, I would be shocked if that was lost.

It all boils down to rational factually informed Americans voting instead of staying home.
Just my opinion.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 11:15 AM
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11. But the Republicans are already committed to making the country suffer (so they can defeat Obama)
There number one goal is to make Obama and the Democrats look bad. The way to do this is to block any attempt at solving the country's problems. The worse conditions are, the better they think it will be for their political prospects.

That's what they've been doing the last two years - screw the country to make the Democrats look bad. If they get a victory in 2010, they are going to double down on this strategy. More suffering so they can have political power.
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 11:18 AM
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13. Thank you! Taking a deep cleansing breath!
"The country will survive, just as it has survived before. And before you know it, the pendulum will swing back."

Good reminder!




To myself: Be patient, cb...be patient.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 11:46 AM
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14. Get out and vote, we can discuss losses or victories tomorrow!
Edited on Tue Nov-02-10 11:46 AM by Democat
Don't want to discourage anyone from voting today.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 12:12 PM
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16. good info , though I'm still hopeful we'll retain the house
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