That Was Quick: Obama Officially Unloved By DU

[MannyGoldstein]

The Democratic President of the US accepted the Nobel Peace Prize in Oslo today. One would think that this would bring a tear to the hearts of most at a site named "Democratic Underground". Yet, looking at the http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=greatest_threads&topten=1">Top Tens page, I'm blown away to find that not one of the ten most-recommended posts in the past 24 hours is about said event.

We're not talking the "recs minus unrecs" top tens, the ones that get scored down by our beloved unrec-ing crew. Even looking at just recs, it seems that few at DU have the stomach for the odd speech of the President aggressively promoting war in accepting a peace prize.

Welcome to Oceania: War is peace!

There's a bunch of other big hits for Obama on that page:

On eve of receiving Nobel, Obama's DOJ files amicus brief upending Nuremberg Protocols.
The Rude Pundit: From Oslo, Barack Obama Wasn't Talking to You
Obama's 47 Percent Approval Lowest of Any President at This Point

and so forth.

Some say that this is simply, well, "Navel gazing, self-defeatism, hysteria, asshattery." I disagree. Rather, I see it as a healthy sign that Democrats are learning. Clinton was able to pull off sending our jobs to Asia and deregulating Wall Street before most committed Democrats figured out what infernal business he was up to. Now we've "gotten it" in less than a year - much better! This time we have an opportunity to head it off before a second term.

Three more years until the primaries: I'll drink tonight's beer to the hope that we can find an ass-kicking member of the Democratic wing of our party to move the country forward.

OK unrec-ers... you know what to do...

[Robb]

1. Oops.

Accidentally hit rec. Ah, well. :D

[bevoette]

2. i would not consider that Rude Pundit article a 'big hit' on Obama (nm)

[saltpoint]

3. I was proud to have been an American citizen today in the inspired

reverberation from Oslo. I thought the address was at once heady and humble but loved it for its wide, deep, scope and its long look into history.

It was absolutely an address worthy of a Nobel laureate.

It was also absolutely an address by a humble man who quickly acknowledged his stature in that long historical look back. I heard, felt, and saw the anonymous women and men Obama referenced as those who have suffered for their dignity and who have fought to restore it under abominable conditions.

Hold the election tomorrow morning. Plenty of votes at my place for Barack Obama.

[demosincebirth]

30. Plenty of votes here, too!

[saltpoint]

31. Go Obama, and go unions, too.

:thumbsup: :hi:

[demosincebirth]

39. Years ago my father told me, and it seems true, here, at DU, that

if you go far enough to the Left eventually you'll be shaking hands with the Far right. Of course, they'll never admit it.

[saltpoint]

41. I'm for bringing pressure to bear on the system with a view toward

alleviating the misery in our economic system and the injustice in our judicial system and the perilous crisis in the environment.

If I am given the chance I'll handpick Senators to my liking -- folks like Wellstone, Whitehouse, Birch Bayh, John Kerry certainly, and right on down a list of progressive minds.

So far, though, that phone call hasn't come in!

When it does, I'm ready.

[goclark]

75. Smart Papa

[goclark]

59. Absolutely agree

:fistbump:

[saltpoint]

69. -- -- --

:toast: :hi:

[emilyg]

4. ......

:toast:

[winyanstaz]

5. yup...K & R....:)

[budkin]

6. The sooner you let yourself be disappointed like the rest of us, the easier it will be for you

[JanusAscending]

12. Hate to burst your bubble but.............

My President, Barack Obama, could NEVER disappoint me! I loved him then, and I love him now!! Wish I could say the same for sooooooo many DUers these past few weeks. I'll just call them "fair weather" Democrats, OK?
Please, don't feel a need to reply, 'cause I'm not hearing any of it.

[ZombieHorde]

37. You are definitely one of the more honest DUers.

Not to many DUers will admit they refuse to use critical thinking skills.

[JanusAscending]

50. Sometimes the most honest answers

come from the heart, as well as the mind. You don't KNOW anymore about what our POTUS's intentions are than anyone else, so kill me for thinking positive thoughts. I just don't CARE what everyone else thinks, so I would say I'm a pretty independant thinker. It took me 71 years as a Democrat to get this way.

[tekisui]

52. lol.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

48. you are in the minority here on DU

Your last sentence is very telling "Please, don't feel a need to reply, cause I'm not hearing any of it." That basically encapsulates the entire rah rah crowd in one sentence. Ignoring policy failure just because you "love your president". Principles or personality?

[shirlden]

53. 'cause I'm not hearing any of it

Is that because of your Disassociation Disorder?

Just Asking..........

:eyes:

[JanusAscending]

65. Go ahead...insult me all you like.

It doesn't make you right and me wrong does it? If it helps you feel better though.......whatever. DU is becoming a childrens playground. I do believe that I still have the right to MY OPINION! whether you agree or not.

[budkin]

56. Take your fingers out of your ears and listen to what is going on out there... we were USED.

[JanusAscending]

64. Who's WE ?

Don't count me in on your "blanket statement"! I don't feel that I was USED, and my ears are wide open. As for me....I prefer to be patient...and SEE for myself. Just because I don't agree with ...you...makes me wrong?? Get real.

[pocoloco]

7. OK, just make sure it's not somebody Kerry recommends.

[saltpoint]

10. I love John Kerry.

Always did.

[depakid]

15. One thing for certain- a Kerry administration wouldn't be giving torturers a pass

nor banksters or food poisoners.

Frankly, I'm just dumfounded- flabbergasted and appalled by the way the Justice Department has been run up 'til now. It makes no sense at all to me either in terms of the public interest or as political currency for the administration.

[saltpoint]

22. Hi, depakid. A few posters every now and then offer a wider look at

Democrats, at least the ones they generally and genuinely admire, and some of the findings lean toward the best of the bunch being qualified for more than one role.

Had Obama not won the White House he would have made a terrific HUD Secretary, IMO. The very strengths and experiences Sarah Palin tried to ridicule in him would effectively address widespread strife and suffering and genuinely help people who need and deserve the help.

Kerry is not very flashy, which puts him on the "no can do" list of newer progressives, but were they to carefully consider his decades-long voting record I think they would be very enthusiastic about it, and justifiably so. And while I think he is strong as Chair of the SFRC, he would in fact make an equally convincing Sec of State or he could head up Justice. Holder is no dummy but Kerry is quite a damn bit more focused.

[JanusAscending]

17. Same here!

Always will!

[saltpoint]

28. He's one of only a few U.S. Senators who can stop me in my tracks.

If we're flipping thru the channels and Kerry is speaking on the floor of the Senate on C-Span, I will stop what I'm doing and listen.

You can be certain I wouldn't do the same for John Cornyn or Orrin Hatch.

[rockymountaindem]

38. Yep. He would have been a great President

I wish he'd have run again in 2008, because I thought all our candidates overall were pretty week. I was happy to vote for Obama, but considering that we could have elected just about anybody in the last cycle given the way things were going, I kind of wish we had gone for someone more progressive.

[AVID]

8. I'll Kick and Rec just to watch this "Best of 2008 Primaries REMIX'!!!

Are still in that much pain?
How old will you be in 2016? Let go, or you'll have a coronary by 2014.

:hi:

[NJmaverick]

9. Wow, you didn't even last a year before your true colors showed

that was pretty quick

[dionysus]

45. oh, it's been apparent for quite some time.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

61. ...

I don't know how he's still allowed to post here. This is outright calling for Obama's ouster.

[timeforpeace]

11. Thinking, rather than emoting? It's so crazy, it just might work!

[doc03]

13. Obama has turned out to be what many of us thought

last year, he gives great speeches, period. He had no experience in government, just charisma and BS when he decided to run for President. Oh he goes to Oslo to pick up an award he didn't earn and makes a great speech. One good thing when he is over there he isn't spending us into bankruptcy.
This coming year is going to be a total blood bath. Who you going to send to the slaughter in 2012?

[Name removed]

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[doc03]

35. No he hasn't even started yet. What will health care cost us?

What does he plan on spending on another make-work program? How much more are the wars going to cost us? If you want jobs, drop the HCR now, don't spend the TARP money on another Stimulus. If you want people to have jobs quit scaring the hell out of employers and consumers. In order to make jobs you need to consumers to have the confidence to buy things and employers that have confidence in a recovery that will sustain jobs. It's the uncertainty that is preventing an economic recovery. Job one should have been to get the economy going before all this talk about spending the money we don't have. just because GWB tripled the debt doesn't mean we have to triple it too.

[doc03]

36. What a pie chart with 59%? How did they account for the

other 41%?

[JanusAscending]

66. How would you like to volunteer for that???

What do you say guys????

[vaberella]

14. Since I've been here----I can't say O has ever really been loved. I found HRC to be more "loved."nt

[jesus_of_suburbia]

29. ....

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:



:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:



you keep believing that.... and ask Chris if he still has that tingle up his leg!

[Arugula Latte]

57. Hillary loved on DU? You've got to be kidding.

Obama fans outnumbered Hillary fans here by about a 7-1 ratio, in most polls.

[jeanpalmer]

70. After 11 months of this

I know how Elin feels. Betrayal has a way of destroying love.

[Enrique]

73. the "I fucking hate her" thread was at the top of the greatest page

how many people rec'd the "I hate Obama" thread? Oh, yeah, there never was one. No one has said they hated Obama, ever, and if they did there would certainly not be any support for it.

[Arkana]

16. So you're...happy, then? That there are so many folks here who loathe and despise Obama?

Geez.

[MannyGoldstein]

19. I Hate It. But It's Better Than Letting Him Get Away With More.

I took great pleasure in Obama's election - like Paul Krugman, I thought he might be another FDR.

Instead, he is another Clinton.

[vaberella]

25. You know how assinine that sounds?! No, you probably don't.

I've never seen a Pres taken apart in 10 months like this one. He's done far more good than bad and he's evil incarnate. He's getting away with doing "more"---what "more" I have to wonder.

[Cha]

18. BFD...I consider the hateful, disingenuous,

high up there on their sanctimonious pedestal, source.

Pres Obama is loved by many on DU whom I respect, including myself.

[MannyGoldstein]

21. Well... The Numbers Are The Numbers

Show me the recs.

[Cha]

26. Have your own little game with this Manny.

I had my say.

[arcadian]

27. That's pretty narcissistic.

[spoony]

44. Really? Love?

I think people way overuse the words love and hate. Do you really mean love? And if so, how? And is that why some people immediately jump to sayng others "hate" him, because they think it's the opposite of what they feel for him? I really don't get any of that.

[Bitwit1234]

23. I don't think he is...

I think people on DU still like Obama. But I think we Cristie him because we don't like some of the stuff he is doing. And that's OK. It is not like bush when you had to kiss his a** and never never ever say a word of dissent. That's the difference between Democrats and republicans. Our politic ans have the ability to take constructive criticism.

[arcadian]

24. accidentally unrecced before reading whole post.

I usually auto-unrec for a rec function mention. But it was a good post anyway. It will get more recs.

[JanusAscending]

32. Hope not!

[JTFrog]

60. Yes, less than zero kicks ass.

:eyes:

[KrR]

33. he's damned if he's Clinton by some... and he's damned if he's not. by others...

[JVS]

34. Could Howard Dean make a comeback?

[SoxFan]

40. The Dennis Kucinich Chowder and Marching Society

[Forkboy]

43. Is that supposed to highlight your maturity level in comparison?

[dionysus]

46. !

:spray:

[PBS Poll-435]

42. This thread is crashing. I think we may need to intubate.

:(

[dionysus]

47. good luck. let me know when you start campaigning against obama on DU...

oh wait, you have been all along...

[freddie mertz]

49. I do know what to do, and it's "K & R"....

So far, Obama is a major disappointment on both policy and intellectual grounds (hated the Nobel speech--which was eloquent on the surface, but laced with bellicose oversimplifications).

What we see here is an honest, probably inevitable response to the present situation.

[Cali_Democrat]

51. LOL Manny

You're a real hoot.

[SoxFan]

54. "Manny being Manny"

[Cali_Democrat]

55. LOL!!! Perfect!!!!

:rofl:

[firedupdem]

58. Congrats on finally getting the board to 97% anti Obama! n/t

You're right...it was pretty quick! Most of it started before the inauguration! You guys rock!

[dionysus]

63. yeah, isn't that something to be proud of...

[SoxFan]

67. These would make Manny & Co. happy

[Cha]

68. Why not? The escalation of fever pitched whining

would only enhance their reason for being.

[elana i am]

62. people are waking up from the mass delusion

that obama was anything other than a moderate liberal trending toward centerist.

the irony of this is that obama has stuck to his campaign promises and delivered on them more than i could have ever hoped in my wildest dreams. so while he may be completely and utterly disappointing most people here he is absolutely astounding me. change has happened, even if it isn't readily apparent by progressive standards.

here's a little bit of "what if" as food for thought. what if kucinich (my idealism got the best of me during the election, but i was under no delusion that he would get anywhere) had been elected and he was doing battle with this "do nothing" congress? I can count on one hand the number of dem congressional backers he would have had solidly in his corner. right now we have centerist obama, with his "everyone has a seat at the table" philosophy, and he still can't even get all the blue dogs on his side.

in spite of my progressive politics, i have a heavy streak of pragmatism. lets not pretend that progressive policies have a champion in obama. lets also not pretend that progressive policies will ever get the support of the blue dogs. we need not even mention the repug scums. obama's nobel speech was the perfect allegory for the challenges we progressives face.

[dionysus]

71. it warms my heart to know you have 7 years left of misery.

[dionysus]

72. actually, the negative recs destroy you whole argument. better luck next time...

[jefferson_dem]

74. DU has become (virtually) intolerable as of late.

Haters and trolls everywhere, including in this thread.