Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Am I crazy? I see this as a blessing in disguise.

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » General Discussion: Presidency Donate to DU
 
timkainemustgo Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 09:46 PM
Original message
Am I crazy? I see this as a blessing in disguise.
The Republicans can no longer just sit there and say no. People expect them to get something done. The only way they can get anything done is to comprimise with Obama. I hope they go after him with investigations, etc. This will backfire on them badly.

Also, I think we kept the Senate by a decent margin. I was thrilled when Clorado came through.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 09:51 PM
Response to Original message
1. I am worried about an all out cave in by the Dems to any and everything.
Hope I am wrong.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. That's my concern too. However;
I can't help thinking the loss of the blue dogs will stand in our favor ultimately. And if we run real Progressives in the next election, it'll bring out voters who are tired of rethugs in dem clothing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #1
10. I hope so too.But many are just lap dogs when the going gets tough...thats in the senate.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 09:52 PM
Response to Original message
2. Not crazy, and correct, they must govern.
We hope people recognize when they don't. Prob then, media still plays the 'ignore' game.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 09:57 PM
Response to Original message
4. Maybe you have a point......
But losing Sen. Feingold will be the hardest reason to consider this a blessing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:00 PM
Response to Original message
5. Republicans in power is not a blessing in disuise...
It is rape by an uggly elephant.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:03 PM
Response to Original message
6. I Wish I Had Your Optimism
I think this is nothing short of disastrous.

First, let's look at Congress. The Republicans are going to pass their right wing crap. It will be stalled in the Senate. The Republicans will blame the Democrats for blocking legislation to help Americans. Remember, despite what Boehner and his pals say now, they doesn't want to work with Obama and the Democrats, they want to destroy them.

Next, let's look at the Senate. We kept that, but remember, the seats up for election now are those most recently won in 2004 (there may be a few replacements, but most of them are from 2004). In 2004, a lot of Republicans won. Thus, Democrats weren't really defending that many seats this time around. In 2012, however, there will be more Democratic seats to defend, as it will be the re-election of those who rode in on the Democratic wave in 2006. Given the Republican strategy of don't compromise, I see 2012 as a tough year for Senate Dems.

And, how many of us were paying attention to the state races? Republicans made big gains in state legislatures and governor's races. That means they get to draw the lines for redistricting. They will be sure to use gerrymandering to get rid of any good progressive Dems left in the House.

Meanwhile, expect the corporate interests to be emboldened as they realize how easy it is to buy elections. Now that one true champion of campaign finance reform has been eliminated and the other has been nuetered, don't expect any progress on that front.

It is not going to be OK.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 11:57 PM
Response to Reply #6
17. Senate in 2012 really depends on the economy and messaging
Some of the Dems up in 2012 are from safe Blue States. If voters think they economy is improving, higher turnout will help Dems. If they think it's not, Repukes will gain the senate. We'll take back Ted's seat in MA in 2012
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
trayfoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 06:52 AM
Response to Reply #6
23. I agree with you!
Not going to be OK for a very long time!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:07 PM
Response to Original message
7. If they had to take something, just as well it's the House
Edited on Wed Nov-03-10 10:09 PM by CakeGrrl
Because now they have to share some responsibility rather than sitting back and whining that the President isn't working with them.

Now they're on the hook for making something productive happen, and they have to get it past the Senate and/or the President's veto pen.

And for everyone who fears the dreaded Presidential capitulation, the President has incentive not to greenlight shitty legislation.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 11:00 PM
Response to Reply #7
13. no more party of "no"
You have a good point. No more whining--get something done now!

And it will also help Obama win re-election. Because he will be forced to slow down which will make the independents happy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:11 PM
Response to Original message
8. Republican law will favor anything but the little guy, the environment, or civil rights
Edited on Wed Nov-03-10 10:12 PM by texastoast
So I hope all the infighting between the establishment of the party and their new teabagger caucus proves to be as entertaining and impeding as I hope. But I doubt the "liberal media" will spin against them. Keep tuned to alternative sources of news of Capitol Hill to watch the teabaggers assigned to the Latrine Cleaning Committee by their established peers.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:14 PM
Response to Original message
9. Also, now that they're the cocky majority, it's gonna be their turn to have a civil war.
Grab some popcorn - the teabaggers and the neo-cons won't be able to get along much longer...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:43 PM
Response to Original message
11. It is more like a shit sandwich.
Edited on Wed Nov-03-10 10:44 PM by liberalmuse
I guess the bread part isn't so bad, but once you put the shit in the middle, the bread loses it's appeal. I don't know what that means. The election has clearly driven me insane. I suppose the Democratic Senate and President Obama are the bread part...

Maybe some good can come if it - perhaps American's will finally see Boehner's true face. It's ORANGE, with little discolored trails made by all his tears, people!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:57 PM
Response to Original message
12. They were going to obstruct everything he did anyway. At least now
they are expected to get results and can't just say no.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 11:04 PM
Response to Original message
14. Politics in the USA is a trainwreck
I agree with your screenname; Kaine never should have been in his position.

We did good in California at least. Maybe CA will set some new trends of sanity.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 11:29 PM
Response to Original message
15. Now they share some responsibility, yes.
I don't think you're crazy. :D Welcome.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sohndrsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 11:41 PM
Response to Original message
16. You're right. They can't. But I don't doubt that this is their MO:

1. Obama failed in his first 2 years WITH a Dem House and Senate (they will ignore their obstruction, and people will let them).

2. Obama WONT LET US pass legislation (popular that they previously obstructed, manipulated beyond recognition)!

3. REPUBLICANS are the ONLY ONES who want (popular legislation that "Obama" refused (no, the GOP obstructed - hence - refused to enact) what the "American people" want - something the GOP/TP keep proclaiming to know, but it never makes sense whatsoever...

The power play is so simplistic and obvious it's almost chilling that we don't get it... Blaming Obama for his inability to be bipartisan after refusing to even acknowledge his existence? Oh, but now that they have the House, they're guaranteed to claim Obama's lack of cooperation when they demand incomprehensible, unworkable propositions.

That any of us falls for this is what would be really discouraging, not that they'll do it - because that's guaranteed...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 12:05 AM
Response to Original message
18. I'm feeling it too
I think having a real "enemy" to play off against might motivate the dems.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 06:38 AM
Response to Original message
19. Yes.
Edited on Thu Nov-04-10 06:39 AM by Fly by night
This election -- the first since Citizens United and the one before redistricting -- is a pathetic portent of things to come.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 06:43 AM
Response to Original message
20. "The only way they can get anything done is to comprimise with Obama"
They don't want to accomplish anything. They want to obstruct everything President Obama does, prolong the recession, and then blame it on him and defeat him in 012.

How can anybody not get this?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
queenjane Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 06:47 AM
Response to Original message
21. The state house wins were bigger for them than the House
Here in NC, the GOP won both senate & house for the first time in, oh, many moons. Now they control redistricting. They can pretty much guarantee long-term control of the House seats.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ghost of Tom Joad Donating Member (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 06:49 AM
Response to Original message
22. Its not a blessing in Florida
they now have total control a veto proof majority. Florida will be going back to the 18th century. Women's rights, gay rights, environmental rights--all gone.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 06:56 AM
Response to Reply #22
24. Yes, what happened in Florida is heartbreaking. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 07:08 AM
Response to Original message
25. Wishful thinking. You're still in the 'denial' phase of coping with this tragedy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec 26th 2024, 05:20 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » General Discussion: Presidency Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC