I wish to apologize to all the HRC supporters

[gort]

I was very rude to many of you during the primary phase when Clinton would not concede to Obama.

I now see that she knew more about the mettle of Obama than I knew.

I will still support Obama in 2012 because hopefully the President will see the sense of having Clinton take a more active role in advising him on how to fight the right wing Congress as they start their witch hunt against him. If he is not reaching out for counsel from her then he is a damn fool.

She was the only one brave enough to call out the vast right-wing conspiracy when they were attacking her husband and I will proudly vote for her should she run for President in 2016.

[kenfrequed]

1. And when...

Will anyone apologize to Kucinich supporters?

I am not going to hold my breath or anything.

[Whisp]

2. what flamebait bullshit. mettle your ass.

[physioex]

3. No thanks....

The Clintons are centrists as well. She took thousands from the health care and oil lobby and poof there went here healthcare agenda. And thank Bill for NAFTA.

[gort]

5. Yup. She's not perfect

But she stood up for herself and her party.

Obama still has my support, but he is danger of playing it safe to catastrophe like Krugman has tried to warn him against doing.

He is a hippie puncher like Rahm is and I am sick of being punched.

[physioex]

7. You live in WA....

Damn every one of those intiatives were struck down. Except for the alcohol Yay. The biggest loss was the additional tax to fund education. There go all our public services and childrens education. Enjoy it jerks. (Talking about the RW nuts not you!)

[Mortos]

9. and she got her ass kicked all over the field

by the man who play's it safe. How would she beat the republicans if she can't even beat, according to you, a wimp?

[whathehell]

15. She hardly "got her ass kicked all over the field".

It was close...

My first choice at the time was Edwards...That being said, Hillary is more of a fighter than Barack.

She also had/has a LOT more experience.

[suzie]

16. Experience at what?

Her lack of experience at running a competitive campaign where other candidates actually challenge you became obvious during the primaries.

No one has experience being President until they are president. It's a pretty steep learning curve.

Unless you're trying to say that Bill had more experience, which undercuts all the things said about Hillary as a candidate.

[whathehell]

19. Experience at writing a health care bill, at being HEAVILY attacked

by the Reich Wing and an up close and personal eight year trip next to the oval office, if not IN it.

[suzie]

26. Experience at being one of the most unsuccessful people ever at developing a significant

piece of legislation, which severely harmed future attempts to deal with health care--that's experience that would help in the presidency? You gotta be joking.

Hillary Clinton was actually kept as far as possible from the Oval Office during the last years of the Clinton presidency because her status had been so damaging earlier on.

There are tons of women politicians who start out in politics at the grassroots level and move higher.

Any of the Claire McCaskills, Barbara Boxers, Diane Feingolds who had Hillary's advantages going into the 2008 campaign would be President today--they wouldn't have made her rookie mistakes in managing a campaign.

Just witness the "we came in under fire" episode. That's a rookie political mistake, yet you wanted that in the presidency?

[whathehell]

29. I can see you really dislike her....I, on the other hand, neither "love" her or hate her

I voted AGAINST her in the primary in favor of Obama.

That being said, I'm not going to blame her for the health care bill...Unsuccessful?..Maybe, but at least she tried and I do believe her plan went further than Obama's.

As for "rookie mistakes"...Please..Obama made his share as well. If you need me to list them, I will...but I don't have a lot of time now.

FWIW...I like Obama...I'm from Chicago and I saw him up close and personal in a small venue in 2004 when he was stumping for local candidate, Melissa Bean.

The man is utterly charming, he's VERY smart, and I think he's well-intentioned..That being said, I think he was too inexperienced for this job and I think he's made some serious mistakes. That's it.:shrug:

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[whathehell]

20. ..and how old are you?

because I can tell you're not nearly old enough to have "been there".

You're post is B.S.

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[CakeGrrl]

6. Here's hoping to lots of egg on faces for

all the knee-jerk reactionary "I was wrong about Hillary" crap.

After a midterm that did nothing but conform to historical trends.

As someone else said, I wouldn't want to be in a crisis situation with a lot of people around here.

[1stlady]

8. shaking my head at the op

This is not the time for flame bait threads and bringing up the past. Get out of 2008 and join everyone else in 2010 please. Some dems just complain too much, learn from your mistakes and move on.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. I'm Not Gettiing Into This Debate

I'm not getting into this debate but to suggest this "midterm that did nothing but conform to historical trends" is simply not supported by the facts.

The average mid term loss includes the loss of twenty six House seats. We lost 65 House seats, six Senate seats, ten governors seats, and ten legislatures. It was the biggest loss for the Democratic party since WW ll.

Saying this was an average loss was like saying Dien Bien Phu was an average loss for the French military. We were humiliated.

[CakeGrrl]

13. I think holding the Senate counts for something. And

I'm simply saying that the party in power takes the hit when the midterms come around.

Given the severity of the economy and the susceptibility to fearmongering and gullibility of a large swath of the American electorate, I'm not scratching my head about the whys.

[Chulanowa]

10. This is the silliest post to come out of this fiasco

Yes. Hillary Clinton would have been the progressive choice that Obama could never have been.

:rofl:

[denimgirly]

14. Although i've been Critical of Obama, I assure you Hillary would have been Worse

Recently Penn, hilary's major advisor and friend came out and said that the problem was that Obama did not want to give in wholly to the right...and that he should do so now....And lets not forget that hillary openly says that Lobbyists are not bad people and dont corrupt the system. She and her husband are very much corporate democrats...no doubt about it.

The problem with obama is he is too timid...but his heart is true. Hilary's heart is not as true, but yes she does no how to fight. THe problem is she would not be fighting special interests.

[left is right]

17. If you think it has been bad under Obama

it would have been worse under HC she would have accomplished nothing because repukes would be hammering her for all of Bill’s sins as well as her own.

[rug]

18. The difference is, she would be hammering back.

If there's going to be a centrist in office, it might as well be one that will fight back the right.

[whathehell]

25. My sentiments exactly! n/t

[vaberella]

33. Sure she would...and she'd do the same to you when she puts you in an endless war.

Enjoy.

[rug]

40. We're still in one.

Are you enjoying it?

[stray cat]

21. If she runs in 2016 I hope you keep your pledge!

[Orangepeel]

22. Yeah, Hillary would never have allowed the Citizen's United decision to stand!!

Regret for decisions not taken is a normal human reaction, even if there is no evidence at all (and even some evidence against) the idea that the foregone alternative would have turned out better.

The same people on the SCOTUS who allowed unlimited, undisclosed corporate cash into the election would still have made the same ruling. And, there is no reason to believe the economy would be any better now if Clinton were president -- we'd still be fighting the same wars and still have the same problems with the financial system and outsourcing that we do now. If you think that Clinton would have been any better at forcing recalcitrant republicans to agree to pass a larger stimulus, then well just have to agree to disagree.

[DCBob]

23. Ha, funny! But you forgot the sarcasm tag.

At least I hope you forgot it.

[JCMach1]

24. As a former Hillary supporter, I want to say I am still sticking with Obama

and hoping against hope he can pull this out.

[scheming daemons]

27. this OP is a complete FAIL

[SunsetDreams]

37. absolutely!

[Arkansas Granny]

28. Why bring this up now?

[harun]

30. If Hillary was President we'd be at war with Iran right now, just say'in.

[vaberella]

31. Are you nuts?! SHE WANTS AN ENDLESS WAR!! HELL NO!! n/t

[AtomicKitten]

32. Pfft.

:boring:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. Resurrecting The Primaries Are Not Helpful

With the economy in the toilet this would have been a bad year for the incumbent president and his or her party whether it was McCain, Obama, or Hillary.

Also, taking on the Republcants requires more than just calling them a bunch of names. This crappy economy is their biggest weapon and until it improves I don't see much we can do about it.

[DrToast]

35. Vast right-wing conspiracy?

You realize that she was talking about how Republicans made up the Lewinsky affair when she said that, right?

[HughMoran]

36. Unrec

Flamebait.

[NYC Liberal]

38. Unrec from a Hillary primary supporter for the

"mettle of Obama" comment. BS.

[uponit7771]

39. K, when is this gonna be locked?