Anyone have contact #'s for MSNBC so I can tell them to STOP BASHING OUR PRESIDENT?

[bushisanidiot]

I'm so sick of Ed Schultz, etc. constantly bashing President Obama, then when voter turnout is down they bash him more wanting him to go further left. YOU IDIOTS!! YOU ARE THE ONE'S THAT ENCOURAGED DEMOCRATS TO STAY HOME! YOU SAID HE WASN'T DOING WHAT HE WAS ELECTED TO DO! IDIOTS!!

[flamingdem]

1. They want Obama to go nuts on the repukes

then their ratings would go through the roof.

As if they know 1/1000 th of what Obama knows about the reality of dealing with congress.

Like I say every white dude with a mic in his hand thinks he is superior to Obama right now.

[denimgirly]

9. If u cant see how Obama's obsessive Water it Down,Give in to Repubs Governing style is Wrong then...

i cant help you. The progressives are mad and rightfully so. They were sold out and Obama is realizing that...sadly he is already showing he is willing to go further right so the Repubs wont be as angry with him...wtf?!?

[bushisanidiot]

10. Sold Out?? He can't govern from the left.. unless he wants to lose in '12

which apparently, is what everyone wants to happen.

He HAS to try to work with the other side. This country should be governed from the middle to middle left because as an electorate, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE!

Ed Schultz should just go work for Fox "news" because he's helping their side A HELL OF A LOT MORE THAN HE'S HELPING OURS!!

[jgraz]

32. Um, he just lost in '10

And you're complaining because some in the media are trying to get him to change his losing strategy. What's wrong with this picture?

[SunsetDreams]

37. um, correction some Blue Dogs and some Liberal/Progressives lost

Not Obama. Obama's election is in 2012.

[jgraz]

41. So Obama is not the de facto head of the Democratic Party?

If so, dude just lost the House. End of story.

[SunsetDreams]

44. he wasn't running.

[jgraz]

46. So his political and legislative strategy had nothing to do with Tuesday's election.

Is that the lifeline you want to cling to? Really?

[SunsetDreams]

47. There are many reasons for Tuesdays results, blaming Obama

entirely isn't one of them.

Midterms are never comparable to General elections.

[jgraz]

48. So, in response to these results, Obama should...

:shrug: ???

[SunsetDreams]

50. you didn't finish your thought,

I would be interested in hearing more.

[jgraz]

51. Well, if you think that Obama bears responsibility for these losses, he needs to change course

And he needs to do so immediately and dramatically. Appeasement and weakness have been rejected by the voters.

[SunsetDreams]

53. I don't know that "appeasement and weakness" was rejected by the voters

Again there are a multitude of reasons for the way Tuesdays election turned out.
That's a broad brush statement you have there.

It could have been on some voters minds yes, but not all.
The loss of the Blue Dogs, doesn't really concern me, because they came from red districts.
What concerns me, is why did we lose Progressives like Feingold and Grayson? It seems to me if the voters thought that Obama needed to go further to the Left, then they would have wanted to keep them.
That and coupled with the fact that Midterm turnout for Democrats, is never like the General Election.

[jgraz]

55. Yeah, it was.

If we don't understand that basic fact, we'll lose rest of the government in 2012.

[SunsetDreams]

56. Actually we have to stop assuming, or we lose

[jgraz]

57. It's a pretty basic assumption

Kind of like when it's light outside at 8 am, you "assume" the sun has risen.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20021591-503544.html

Democrats shit on the base, the base stayed home. Pretty simple stuff.

Democrats showed weakness, and independent voters -- who hate weak politicians -- went Republican. Again, this is politics 101.

Democrats compromised on healthcare and the economy and 74% of voters are dissatisfied with how the government is working. If you believe that Obama's original agenda was actually a good thing for the country, then you have to accept that compromise with the right wing hurt us. Your other option is to try to convince us that the Republican ideas actually made his legislative agenda better.

[SunsetDreams]

60. that's just it, it's an assumption that has no basis in total fact

It could be a reason with SOME voters, but to suggest it was that way with all is a pure speculative hyperbole.

[jgraz]

62. Well, you should really try to not learn anything about why we lost.

:eyes:

[SunsetDreams]

63. I'll do it without assumptions, and believing everything

I read on the internetz.

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[SunsetDreams]

66. Wow you are good, first you read voters minds,

and now you read mine :)

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[SunsetDreams]

68. I'm flattered :)

[bushisanidiot]

40. The left bashed him all the way up to election day then tried to trumpet

all of his accomplishments.. and he has a LONG LIST OF THEM.. then the next day they're back to attacking him.

Hell, why do freepers need Fox news. MSNBC attacks democrats just as much!!

[jgraz]

42. The left tried to steer him away from the strategy that lost the House

Meanwhile, others cheered on that losing strategy.

The question is: now that you've seen that Obama's strategy results in electoral disaster, what are you going to do?

[NJmaverick]

75. Stop blaming others

[sabrina 1]

45. That's what we were told for the past two years, so he governed

from the right, to please the right and Wall St. and Democrats lost.

This garbage about governing from the left or the right is pure nonsense.

All he has to do is what IS right. Do what he people want.

The people want the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy to go.

They want Gays to be allowed to serve in the military.

They do NOT want anyone touching SS.

They want these costly wars over.

The did not want bailouts.

They did not want mandated insurance, they wanted a National Healthcare system.

They did not want offshore drilling by foreign corps who don't care about this country's environment or people.

He did not listen to the people, he listened to the corporations.

They want a president who is fighting for them, not caving to Republicans.

People did not come out to vote because they have lost faith in both parties. NOT because of Ed or anyone else.

Ed is trying to tell him to listen to the people and to ignore Republicans and if he does that we will not have another election like this one.

The people want him to start listening to them. And if he does that, he and Democrats will win in 2012.

You are not helping when you try to protect him from the facts and blame everyone else for the actions of the administration.

And please, give credit to people for being capable of making up their own minds about these things.

Ed is just reflecting what the public thinks, not the other way around. If Obama is smart, he will start listening and tell those corporate lobbiests he is not interested in screwing the American people just so their bosses can hold on to their profits. The American people don't have lobbiests. So they don't get a hearing in the WH or Congress. I'm glad we have a few people like Ed trying to get a hearing for the American people.

[Exilednight]

69. That's total bullshit. This country is further to the left than you think. ........

A majority of people support single payer health-care.

A majority support a woman's right to chooose.

A majority of people support election finance reform.

A majority of people support more taxes on the rich.

Tell me, which of these ideas is not progressive/liberal left?

[bushisanidiot]

77. HCR didn't have to be the first thing tackled. Our focus should have been

the economy first and foremost. We gave the tea baggers an open when we focused on HCR. They've had "obama-care" to whine about for well over a year now. We GAVE them their rallying cry. We could have taken care of the economy first, held the house and senate in the mid-terms, THEN tackled HCR.. and it would have passed more easily, and possibly, with a single payer option if we'd had done it AFTER the economy improved. We did it BACKWARDS and HANDED the repukes a victory.


AND THE LIBERALS ON CABLE NEWS HELPED FOX NEWS IN BASHING OUR PRESIDENT!!! Even if the message was not the same as the lies that Fox was spewing, they still bashed him.. and in doing so, they encouraged "single payer loyalists" to stay home and not vote.. which is why blue dogs were voted out. So, thanks for NOTHING, Ed Schultz!!!

[Exilednight]

80. The economy was the first thing he focused on. The reason we didn't get ............

the public option is due to the fact that he spent so much time trying to sell his stimulus. If HCR is going to pass with true reform, it has to be the first priority of a Democratic president's agenda.

I will also point out, Obama did not run on a single payer system, he ran on a public option, which liberals were willing to settle for.

[catgirl]

14. Um, congress watered down legislation

to get it passed. And where do you get that he's "already showing he is willing
to go further right so the Repugs won't be a s angry with him"?

I'm a progressive and I'm mad at the RW Supreme Court judges who voted to
enact Citizens United. I'm mad at the dem candidates that ran from Obama
during their campaigns, instead of touting all he has accomplished... I'm mad
at people who put words in my mouth like you just did.

[SunsetDreams]

39. +infinity

[denimgirly]

2. It was Obama that said we should call him out if he isnt doing his Job...

he clearly has been ignoring his base and appeasing the repubs for too long.
Right now he is getting talks by his admin and Fox to go more right.
We need to make sure we have the Left reminding him what the REAL reason for the anger. So MSNBC's constant attack on Obama is like a parent scolding a child...unless obama can get the message clearly he will just cotinue to think he should give away the queen to the Right.

[bushisanidiot]

4. So cable news on the left and cable news on the right are all saying don't vote for Obama in '12

GREAT! I guess we "learned our lesson"!! More republican take overs.

[flamingdem]

7. Herd mentality at work nt

[bushisanidiot]

20. Exactly! When the "herd" only hears how horrible the president is, of course they won't

vote for him in '12.
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Ed needs to STFU!! AND START SUPPORT OUR SIDE!

[Exilednight]

74. Ed does support our side. He supports democrat values, but there's a difference ..............

between democratic values and Democratic values.

[treestar]

5. Enough. REally.

This is enough of this crap.

[FrenchieCat]

28. Poster under the radar, but still obvious.

[flamingdem]

6. You may be right but it doesn't add up

Obama is too smart to be the doofus they portray. you know that and I know that.

my guess is that these issues are not something you can reduce to a soundbite on tv

[catgirl]

18. Obama's the POTUS, not a child

And he's a hell of a lot smarter than most of these news idiots. You've got it all wrong.
The manufactured anger that you refer to, is repug manufactured. They run the news.
Keep that in mind.

[Supersedeas]

73. Bingo

[Fresh_Start]

3. Have you made the slightest attempt to locate it for yourself? nt

nt

[jberryhill]

8. It must be painful to be forced to watch stuff on TV you don't like

[davidinalameda]

17. guess they don't have remote controls in his/her neck of the woods

:shrug:

[jberryhill]

21. What part of the woods is the "neck", anyway?

I think it must be the part of the woods where the caps lock key goes haywire.

[dchill]

11. Me, I love Ed Schultz...

AND Barack Obama. AND Sergeant Schultz, for that matter. Ed is doing his job, as he sees it. You can get contact info at their website.

[flamingdem]

23. I still like Ed too, I think he means well but he's also seeking ratings via hyperbole nt

[dchill]

30. So?

What business do you think he's in? As long as he's saying what he honestly feels, I'm good with it. Beats the hell out of the Blanche Lincoln Show. If there were such a thing.

[Cognitive_Resonance]

12. Lawrence O'Donnell has been hosting a far superior show lately. nt

[earthside]

13. Ed Schultz, Adam Green ...

... Glenn Greenwald, Cenk Uygur, all of whom I have heard today are 100 percent correct!

Where and when will President Barack Obama FIGHT for something? Even if it means losing? Is there anything he will go to the wall for?

It is not necessarily about "governing from the left" ... it is about having the guts and determination to make a stand for average employed and unemployed Americans.

So far, Obama has gotten everything he deserves for letting the 2010 election fiasco happen.

Sorry that the truth hurts.

[polichick]

15. If the prez would listen to Ed, he'd be in a much better place - and so would we. nt

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[flamingdem]

19. He's up against a crew of PSYCHOPATHS, how about that? nt

[polichick]

22. That's exactly why he has to stop acting as if they're capable of bipartisanship. nt

[flamingdem]

34. He has to do the bipartisan effort sincere or not + independents are needed in 2012

They don't want to see strife, blame them.

[polichick]

36. They just voted for "strife." nt

[catgirl]

26. neutered?

Your entire post is sickening.

[baldingrockwarlord2]

33. sorry you feel that way

I am finding that sugar coating and euphamizing words are not helping. As you can see there are many others who do feel the same way. We voted for and put our hearts and money, support and votes behind Barack. We are now becoming disappointed. This is no small group. We banked on his message and promises and also that he would be strong. I didn't vote for a man to allow himself to be humiliated and in turn insult those of us who placed our trust and "hope" in him. Until now I have been a proud liberal and Democrat and Barack voter and supporter. I did my part. Although I will never switch political sides I'm not sure I can subscribe to the Democrat/liberal ideology if it always means we get beat up and ridiculed by repukes and our own leaders can't stand up to them. I am sorry if you do not like my choice of words, but my opinion is by no means solo these days, and this is no time to exchange niceties. Barack has tried playing nice for the last 2 years. It's time to get ugly or get out.

[angrychair]

70. Drawing the line

in the sand. First, the words you were looking for and failed to find in your third sentence were "President Barack Obama"...not "Barack"...he is not one of you blog buddies...he is the POTUS and deserves to be referred in that manner. Second, did you even think to look at the exit polls or give honest analysis to what happened on election night? The majority of voters were over 50 and white. Due to talk stations like MSNBC and people like you here on DU, Dems stayed in bed on Tuesday and let it happen instead of working to prevent it. If the majority of people imbrace progressive ideals, the hyperbole du jour on DU lately, to the exclusion of all others, why did Grayson and Feingold lose? They were the lions of the progressive moverment. If this president were such a lapdog to repubs, why do they confront him on every front and dig on him at every opportunity? This president and this Congress have done more in 20 months to further liberal ideals and been more productive, than any Congress or administration in modern history. Equal pay for equal work...Education loan reform...credit card reform....TARP (paid back in full with interest-made money on the deal)...cash for clunkers (saved industry...got old beat-up cars off the road) and healthcare reform (no, not single payer but far better than nothing at all...everything starts somewhere) children healthcare...more done for our vets than in the last 20 years of Congress...I could go on but I've made my point.

[baldingrockwarlord2]

76. ...

Look, we are on the same side of that "line in the sand". I am happy with the things that actually have been accomplished. I am simply saying that I expected and voted for more and that I don't like seeing the President being pushed around and bludgeoned on a daily basis and never fighting back. I expected and voted for a President to go in with the same verocity(not same ideology or ideas) that Bush had and hand the other side their asses-this clearly has not happened.

In many cases I do refer to my President as President Obama. But be happy that I call the President by his first name. It is not derogatory-not like Coulter and others referring to him as Hussein. I voted for, supported and donated and put him in the white house-I earned that priveledge. The emails I get supposedly from him and or his people refer to me on a first name basis and refer to him in first name-don't make a bigger deal out of that than it is. I am on your side. I have been a proud liberal and Democrat and have voted as such. Don't try to make me your enemy with your line in the sand B.S..

I wanted my(yours,our) President to be just as much a hardass as Bush was and stick it right back at these clowns. I wanted the "with us or against us" tables to be turned on them. Not this la-di-da turn the other cheek and let them walk all over us crap. We have tried the Rodney King/kumbaya/olive branch approach with the Repukes and it hasn't worked. When Rand Paul can win after his thugs have jackbooted and stomped a woman to the curb, and men are throwing haymakers at women at town halls, and folks are bringing side arms to town halls and parades and even to events that the president attends-THAT is not what I voted for, nor is it what I want to see our side just sit idly by and let pass. Do you think anyone would have been able to openly display a weapon at a Bush/Cheney event? Also, I see they arrested an idiot in DC w/ a sniper rifle who has previously threatened my President. THIS is the type of crap I am fed up with-the OTHER side of the real line in the sand. I am not here at DU to divide any DU'ers. I am just another voice, but I am definately NOT trying to draw any lines in the sand towards my own party. I am finding that DU-although it is a big tent-has many factions and some of them either can't stand one another and/or have no desire to get along.

[Top Cat]

24. They want the POTUS to show his ASS like the refucks...

[polichick]

25. No, they want him to quit bending over so they can kick his ass. nt

[MrSlayer]

27. Schultz is dead on today.

The President and the Democratic Party needs to stop capitulating to these right wing scumbags. They needed to stop doing that last January.

[lamp_shade]

29. He's just too loud for me.

[catgirl]

31. I stopped watching him after a few shows

He puts on an angry show for ratings. I was turned off by him from the get-go. I have
a hard time watching Keith too. I'll stick with Rachel. She's reasonable and smart as hell.

[Yeshuah Ben Joseph]

35. How is it "bashing" to ask the President to do his damned job?

His job is NOT to kiss Republican ass. It is to govern. And the only reasonable way to govern is to undo the damage done over the last 30 years.

Stop taking advice from the likes of Larry Summers, Tim Geithner, and Arnie Duncan.

Stop letting Boner & McTurtle intimidate you. FUCK what they think.

Mr. President, act in the interests of the PEOPLE, and the PEOPLE will have your back.

And so will I.

[jenmito]

38. Ed Shultz has Adam Green on and THEY say Obama needs to go to the left...

then Chris Matthews has Jim Moran and Claire McCaskill on and THEY say Obama needs to go to the "center" as he's governed from too far left (saying he should temporarily extend tax cuts for the rich). He gets attacked from both sides. He shouldn't change ANYTHING-except finding a way to make his accomplishments KNOWN.

[flamingdem]

43. hallelujah to that nt

[jenmito]

52. Thanks, flamingdem. People have to remember that he got elected

with the help of states like IN, NC, VA, OH, FL, CO, NV, etc. His approval now in those states and others is "under-water" because they feel he went too far left. He HASN'T gone too far left, but Faux and RW radio and even people like Chris Matthews SAY he has. He just has to TOUT everything he has done and get the FACTS out and keep on keepin' on.

[butterfly77]

59. McCaskill is a bluedog ..

and she has been going along with repugs on healthcare and always runs to the middle or further...

[jenmito]

64. Jim Moran isn't. n/t

[BootinUp]

49. What we need is a new types of CW (conventional wisdom)

The new conventional wisdoms would be called:
CW professional left
CW professional right

These new categories of CW will greatly simplify these threads.

You can put a CW in thread title to indicate you are for conventional wisdom on topic whatever. In the thread body put a link to a page describing the CW for that topic.


Likewise the same for CWL and CWR.

This will save us all from a lot of typing and reading the same arguments over and over and we can go about more important things like making even longer threads on these topics.

just a thought. :)

[JTFrog]

54. K&R!

[Pisces]

58. These people are paid pundits they make money by being controversial like

Glenn Beck. They need something to say. Turn the tv off, don't give them the ratings.

[kjackson227]

61. Ed is right, and he's on our side so...

I'm not worried about him and his opinion, but I am beginning to wonder what direction MSNBC is going when I see Faux News Major Garrett(sp) on Hardball... hmmm.

[CTLawGuy]

71. won't make a difference

they are there to make money, the Fox way, but just a bit to the left.

[Jester Messiah]

72. While you're at it, see if DU has such a number as well. [nt]

[LawnLover]

78. Do you now realize

that all the cable news outlets are interested in doing is drumming up drama so they can sell soap and cookies? It's all a business to them. They offer what sells.

[mstinamotorcity]

79. Personally I'm tired of all the Bulls--t

I keep hearing and reading all about how disappointed they are at Our President. You wanted change? He has enacted more legislation across his desk than any other President. You mad because you didn't get everything you wanted in those pieces of legislation? Then get you ass off the computer get your petitions ready and get your signatures to get on the ballot and Run Your Ass for office and do it BETTER!!!! I have no problem with having a a vigorous discussion on policy, but to demean the President and the office is not in my book. He has taken heat from everywhere. He at least should get comfort from his own sometimes to regain his purpose for being there. Just like when you leave home for work or to commute to work or go out of town on business. With the hassle and stress you are glad to return home to get some rest. And even if we don't get every personal thing that we want, do we sacrifice everything for NOTHING.
We need not argue like this is about anything other than Corporate everything throwing their money at Newspapers,TV,Political Pollsters,and Think Tanks. Now that we have let troll heaven invade every part of our critical thinking the question should be how do we de-program what most Americans have been fed for years,giving ridicule to Math and Science. Example-Tax cut for the top 2% create jobs= no job creation only record outsourcing.No such thing as climate change=More volcanic activity,heating of our oceans,reduction in polar ice caps.

The Billionaires club that want to play God with the lives of American citizens for profit,are using every personal hangup we have with each other to keep us divided,it is about time we lay all the bulls--t down and get about the business of coming together to give Our President the kind of legislation the people need. He can only sign what is placed on his desk. And the legislation must go before Congress and the Senate before it gets to him. We are supposed to make sure That When a bill starts in Congress it the way we want it and has enough votes to pass. Anything else in null and void.

And answer to bushisanidiot maybe this link will help you get to where you want to go http://www.msnbc.msn.com/