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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:08 PM
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"How can the Dems stop the Republican agenda when they only control the Senate and White House?"
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joshtpm How can the Dems stop the Republican agenda when they only control the Senate and White House?\

http://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/368392238272512



I think we can lower the mass hysteria just a few decibels and still make it.


You Work For Me, Barack!


Josh Marshall | November 4, 2010, 10:19PM

Mitch McConnell to John King on President Obama: "I'm on (his) speed dial now."

With the speech today and this, I just realized that McConnell doesn't realize he's not Senate Majority leader.

For all the trash-talk and political gamesmanship, there's more going on here. This guy is burned that John Boehner is in charge in January but he's not.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/11/you_work_for_me_barack.php?ref=fpblg
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:11 PM
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1. The Republicans would do well to remember that Obama holds the veto pen.
Maybe if their cocky attitude continues like this, it will finally piss Obama off enough to use it.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:17 PM
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:20 PM
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3. He has already vetoed two things. I don't think he is going to have any trouble vetoing lots of
legislation BUT most of the House crap isn't going to get passed by the Senate to make it anywhere near President Obama.

We already KNOW how much legislation the House can pass which the Senate just ignores or can't pass anyway.

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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 06:54 AM
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8. And this is GOOD for the Repukkkes
Edited on Fri Nov-05-10 06:55 AM by kwolf68
The US House will advance the most nefarious bunch of shit and none of it will pass.

So this will allow the fascists to

-Go back to the voters and say, "look I tried to eliminate the EPA, but the Democrats in the Senate or Obama blocked it"

-Since none of it will pass, the backlash against them will be nill and true scrutiny on these archaic ideas will never come to pass.

It's a win-win for the Grand Oligarchy Party...you can be a nut and act like one too, but not get anything done for many to notice.

What worries me if thet beat Obama in 2012 and flip the Senate. But that's two years off, no way to smell the leaves in political terms that far out.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 10:01 AM
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16. Let's just hope that Boehner decides he LIKES being Speaker and wants to stay Speaker. If that is
his goal (unlike Mitch "booting Obama in 2012 is my top priority" McConnell) then the Orange Man will want to actually make some progress on some things such as - Energy Legislation and jobs.

I hope he decides that holding the House is more important in 2012 then trying to make Obama look bad by trying to make the economy tank instead of grow stronger.

The problem is that this self-interest argument doesn't work for the Republicans in the Senate and McConnell has made it clear he wants to continue the "Block Everything" strategy that worked for the last campaign.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 06:59 AM
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9. Which is exactly
the reason Yertle McConnell gave for his statement that the number one priority is to make sure President Obama is not re-elected. "we have to have someone there who will not veto these things". I am quite sure the president would veto any attempt to repeal the health care law.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:22 PM
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4. jit's never too late for change....we can truly believe in because we see it in action. nt
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:42 PM
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5. Having the Senate and the White House means they are still
in charge. Nothing can happen that does not go through
the Senate.

They just have stiffen those spines abd stand up and fight
being just as tough as the Republicans.

What do you do when you are bullied??? You do not turn the other cheek.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:18 AM
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6. There are tons of things that got passed through the house the last 2 years
And they didn't make it through the Senate. Nothing is going to change that, except it will hopefully be the dems that are holding up legislation.
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winstars Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 07:01 AM
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10. Really, if we could not get...

most of our bills passed in the Senate in the last two years, I sincerely hope that the pugs can't/won't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 06:14 AM
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7. given that the republicans agenda is simply to stop obama's agenda....
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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 07:01 AM
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11. That depends on which agenda we're talking about.
If we mean their agenda for new legislation. That's not too hard to stop.

If were talking about their agenda to stop OUR agenda... There's very little we can do before bringing it back to the voters.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 08:24 AM
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12. As I keep on saying...
In 1980, Reagan was essentially treated as ruler of the world with the White House, no House of Representatives, and a 53/47 split in his favour in the Senate.

In 2010, Obama is treated as defeated with the White House, no House of Representatives, and a 53/47 split in his favour in the Senate.

Why?
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smitra Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 08:30 AM
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13. Because the House had a majority of reasonable, well-meaning Democrats..
who actually cared about the people, and were willing to sit down and talk with the other side ... not crazy, Tea-party republicans who stick to their reactionary agenda, and are willing to go to any lengths to demonize a well-meaning President.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 09:27 AM
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15. Yep, flip the Ds and Rs ...
R president with no house and a small margin in the senate = a mandate ...
D president with no house and a small margin in the senate - crippled ...

So sayeth the Rs and "liberal" media ...
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 10:27 AM
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17. This is the sad and scary thing - Republicans are destroying the basic social contract
Edited on Fri Nov-05-10 10:27 AM by Pirate Smile
both Democratic and Republican Governments have worked under since the beginning of this Country!

The Logic Of Republican Total Opposition

This is a pretty telling window into the House GOP's strategy for taking back the majority:

The PowerPoint slides presented to House Republicans in January 2009 seemed incongruously optimistic at a time when the very word “hope” belonged to the newly ascendant Democrats and their incoming president, Barack Obama.
“If the goal of the majority is to govern, what is the purpose of the minority?” one slide asked.

“The purpose of the minority,” came the answer, “is to become the majority.”
The presentation was the product of a strategy session held 11 days before Mr. Obama’s inauguration, when top Republican leaders in the House of Representatives began devising an early blueprint for what they would accomplish in Tuesday’s election: their comeback.


It's probably always been true that the fundamental role of the minority is to oppose the majority and pave the way to winning reelection. America's long history of ideologically amorphous parties, a relic of Southern Apartheid policies, created a tradition of cross-party cooperation. Those social norms persist, and both Washington elites and many Americans expect the two parties to work together as if they aren't engaged in zero-sum political conflict.

But the truth is that, when the minority party cooperates with the majority party president, it generally makes the president and his policies more popular. The difference is that the Republican Party of 2009-10 is probably the first opposition party to fully recognize the dynamic and make this the core of its legislative strategy from the very outset.


Here is how Mitch McConnell explained the dynamic in March:

“It was absolutely critical that everybody be together because if the proponents of the bill were able to say it was bipartisan, it tended to convey to the public that this is O.K., they must have figured it out,” Mr. McConnell said about the health legislation in an interview, suggesting that even minimal Republican support could sway the public. “It’s either bipartisan or it isn’t.”


McConnell's speech today makes this strategy even more explicit:

An emboldened Sen. Mitch McConnell on Thursday will declare that President Barack Obama must be defeated in 2012 because Republicans "can't plan" on the White House to listen to voters and cooperate on some of his party's top political priorities.
“Over the past week, some have said it was indelicate of me to suggest that our top political priority over the next two years should be to deny President Obama a second term in office," the Senate Republican leader will tell the conservative Heritage Foundation, according to excerpts of his speech provided to POLITICO.
“But the fact is, if our primary legislative goals are to repeal and replace the health spending bill, to end the bailouts, cut spending and shrink the size and scope of government, the only way to do all these things is to put someone in the White House who won’t veto any of these things," the Kentucky Republican will say. "We can hope the president will start listening to the electorate after Tuesday’s election. But we can’t plan on it.”


In the media you're seeing a lot of familiar claims that the two parties need to work together. There is no incentive for the Republicans to do so. Even on issues where they can get a pure win, handing a win to Obama reduces their ability to gain the presidency in 2012. So why would they pursue an ancillary part of their agenda and reduce the chance to achieve the core elements of that agenda?

The trouble, of course, is that our political system isn't set up to handle this reality. It was not designed with parties in mind. That's another reason we have strong social norms dictating that elected officials ignore their political interests, at least for some period after elections. But that norm is dead. Meanwhile, we're left with a political system that doesn't work.


http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/78940/the-logic-republican-total-opposition
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 08:45 AM
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14. He thinking back
to the reagan and bush years..
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 03:14 PM
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18. kick
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 04:43 PM
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19. They can talk like that. Because Obama hasn't shown the spine
to talk shit back.
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