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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 09:04 PM
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ACLU: Obama Adm. Claims Unchecked Authority To Kill Americans It Designates An Enemy of the State


NEWS RELEASE

Obama Administration Claims Unchecked Authority To Kill Americans Outside Combat Zones

November 8, 2010
Federal Court Hears Arguments Today In ACLU And CCR Case Challenging Administration's Claimed Authority To Assassinate Americans It Designates Threats

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: (212) 549-2666; media@aclu.org

WASHINGTON – The Obama administration today argued before a federal court that it should have unreviewable authority to kill Americans the executive branch has unilaterally determined to pose a threat. Government lawyers made that claim in response to a lawsuit brought by the American Civil Liberties Union and the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) charging that the administration's asserted targeted killing authority violates the Constitution and international law. The U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia heard arguments from both sides today.

"Not only does the administration claim to have sweeping power to target and kill U.S. citizens anywhere in the world, but it makes the extraordinary claim that the court has no role in reviewing that power or the legal standards that apply," said CCR Staff Attorney Pardiss Kebriaei, who presented arguments in the case. "The Supreme Court has repeatedly rejected the government's claim to an unchecked system of global detention, and the district court should similarly reject the administration's claim here to an unchecked system of global targeted killing."

The ACLU and CCR were retained by Nasser Al-Aulaqi to bring a lawsuit in connection with the government's decision to authorize the targeted killing of his son, U.S. citizen Anwar Al-Aulaqi. The lawsuit asks the court to rule that, outside the context of armed conflict, the government can carry out the targeted killing of an American citizen only as a last resort to address an imminent threat to life or physical safety. The lawsuit also asks the court to order the government to disclose the legal standard it uses to place U.S. citizens on government kill lists.

"If the Constitution means anything, it surely means that the president does not have unreviewable authority to summarily execute any American whom he concludes is an enemy of the state," said Jameel Jaffer, Deputy Legal Director of the ACLU, who presented arguments in the case. "It's the government's responsibility to protect the nation from terrorist attacks, but the courts have a crucial role to play in ensuring that counterterrorism policies are consistent with the Constitution."

The government filed a brief in the case in September, claiming that the executive's targeted killing authority is a "political question" that should not be subject to judicial review. The government also asserted the "state secrets" privilege, contending that the case should be dismissed to avoid the disclosure of sensitive information.

The lawsuit was filed against CIA Director Leon Panetta, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and President Barrack Obama in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. Attorneys on the case are Jaffer, Ben Wizner, Jonathan Manes and Jennifer Turner of the ACLU; Kebriaei, Maria LaHood and Bill Quigley of CCR; and Arthur B. Spitzer of the ACLU of the Nation's Capital. Co-counsel in Yemen is Mohammed Allawo of the Allawo Law Firm and the National Organization for Defending Human Rights (HOOD).

For more information on the case, including fact sheets and legal papers, visit: www.aclu.org/targetedkillings and www.ccrjustice.org/targetedkillings

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/obama-administration-claims-unchecked-authority-kill-americans-outside-combat-zone
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 09:13 PM
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1. OK, Anybody Had Enough?
I have.
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sally cat Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 04:48 PM
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33. Well, at least they're not going to waterboard them.
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 09:14 PM
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2. Great news!!!
Means the end of repug party!!

Gonna get 'em all!
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 09:16 PM
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3. This just continues to be insane.
In other parts of the world, they have other names for these kinds of political and military regimes.



"The government filed a brief in the case in September, claiming that the executive's targeted killing authority is a "political question" that should not be subject to judicial review. The government also asserted the "state secrets" privilege, contending that the case should be dismissed to avoid the disclosure of sensitive information."

Just unbelievable.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 09:18 PM
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 10:42 PM
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5. Poor helpless little Awlaki!
Edited on Mon Nov-08-10 10:44 PM by Clio the Leo
Of ALL the downtrodden people in this country, sure am glad the ACLU is wasting time/money/energy looking out for him! :sarcasm:

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/kill-americans-says-yemeni-cleric-awlaki/708403/">Kill Americans, says Yemeni cleric Awlaki


I wouldn't worry too much about Obama taking him out if I were you....

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gSZgi-Wpd9gPRmhDOW5inHIt8wUw?docId=3f7eaa40460042adbf5a219b76c068ba">Yemen charges US-born radical cleric al-Awlaki
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 11:30 PM
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6. Ever hear of the Constitution? The right to a trial by jury? It's not all about Awlaki!
Edited on Mon Nov-08-10 11:33 PM by Better Believe It
But you can pretend it is and dump all over our Bill of Rights, the Constitution and the rule of law if you wish.

As you also an advocate of torture for those who are enemies of the state?

What you just did was shameful for someone claiming to be some sort of progressive.

It so contrary to what this nation is suppose to stand for .... democracy, human rights and the rule of law, that I have no choice but to put you on ignore.

I just don't want to see that kind of garbage on DU anymore.

Bye.

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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 01:21 AM
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8. The Unitary Executive and the trashing of democracy, human rights and the rule of law
was only egregious and repulsive when George Bush and Dick Cheney did it. And it will only be bad again when a Jeb Bush or a President Palin does it. And they will. Further entrenchment of it now smooths the way.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 01:04 PM
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14. Indeed. Mr. Awlaki needs to surrender and submit to jury. n/t
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 01:33 PM
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20. Surreal, ain't it?
Most of these posters have never even heard of Habeas Corpus and could care less about its origin, proud history and now craven dissolution.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 03:03 AM
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9. Get back to me when President Palin decides you need to be killed.
After all, posting on DU makes you a clear enemy combatant.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 01:16 PM
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16. Yeah, President Obama is worse than President Palin.
He's a terrorist. He can surrender and be tried. Until then, he's just like any other enemy combatant.

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 01:28 PM
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18. At least with President Palin
Edited on Tue Nov-09-10 01:52 PM by jgraz
You wouldn't be posting excuses for her illegal behavior.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 01:35 PM
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22. "At least with President Palin"
Would that make you happy?

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 01:37 PM
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24. You not making excuses for horrific Constitutional violations would make me happy.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 01:53 PM
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26. BS. n/t
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 06:37 PM
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34. Nice concession.
Even you can't credibly defend this doctrine, so your only alternative is to kick up dust and hope nobody notices. Mission accomplished. Sort of. :eyes:
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 03:21 AM
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10. It's not about Awlaki or any one individual. It's about doctrine
Edited on Tue Nov-09-10 03:28 AM by chill_wind
I never thought I would see under a Democratic President.

What difficulty do you have with the idea in this sentence?:

"If the Constitution means anything, it surely means that the president does not have unreviewable authority to summarily execute any American whom he concludes is an enemy of the state."

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 01:23 PM
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17. It is about Awlaki
Any one individual who is a terrorist is a terrorist.

American is not synonymous with enemy combatant.

Why is it okay to target and kill a terrorist, but not okay if that person is an American citizens in the same location carrying out the same terrorist activities?

"The lawsuit asks the court to rule that, outside the context of armed conflict, the government can carry out the targeted killing of an American citizen only as a last resort to address an imminent threat to life or physical safety."

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 01:31 PM
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19. It's shocking to see a defense of this on DU
Edited on Tue Nov-09-10 01:52 PM by jgraz
In your snark, you missed the key point of my post above: Would you be comfortable with handing President Palin this power? For example, how long do you think Julian Assange would stay alive once she took office?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 01:33 PM
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 01:37 PM
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23. So you'd trust her to "do the right thing" with this extra-judicial power?
Sorry, I don't have that much faith in her judgment.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 04:06 PM
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31. or how about Pres Jeb??????? eom
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 10:52 AM
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 10:55 AM
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39. Personal attacks are allowed now?
Interesting...
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 11:20 AM
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40. I hope all DU'ers remember your support for this policy
In short, Prosense seems to be fully behind the idea that the President can kill any person anywhere without judicial review if the President designates that person an enemy combatant.

It is my hope that all DU'ers remember this whenever they read your silly posts.

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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 12:16 PM
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13. I think I'd better renew my membership in a hurry.
Even though I'm a little short of cash.

They're about the only group that's trying to protect the constitution anymore.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 04:04 PM
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30. ever been to Germany? ever been to Berlin's Topography of Terror museum ?
Edited on Tue Nov-09-10 04:05 PM by flyarm
YOU need to go there to find out why this is so abhorrent!

Or perhaps pick up a fucking history book..will ya!
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 12:13 AM
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7. Recommended. I am horrified. Simply horrified. n/t
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 03:45 AM
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11. One of the first things that the Bush/Cheney team brought...
back were the previously forbidden 'wet work' teams. Approved and encouraged by a presidential order.

Obama should have taken care of this one right off the bat. Perhaps he is still 'looking into it.'
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 07:47 AM
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12. k&r
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 01:13 PM
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15. K & R nt
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 01:48 PM
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25. K & R
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 01:53 PM
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27. CCR:
Edited on Tue Nov-09-10 01:58 PM by chill_wind



While the government can legitimately use lethal force against civilians in certain circumstances outside of a judicial process, the authority contemplated by senior Obama administration officials is far broader than what the Constitution and international law allow. Under international human rights law, lethal force may be used in peacetime only when there is an imminent threat of deadly attack and when lethal force is a last resort. A program in which names are added to a list though a secret bureaucratic process and remain there for months at a time plainly goes beyond the use of lethal force as a last resort to address imminent threats, and accordingly goes beyond what the Constitution and international law permit.

Moreover, targeting individuals for killing who are suspected of crimes but have not been convicted – without oversight, due process or disclosed standards for being placed on the kill list – also poses the risk that the government will erroneously target the wrong people. Since 9/11, the U.S. government has detained thousands men as terrorists, only for courts or the government itself to discover later that the evidence was wrong or unreliable and release them.



more about this at http://www.ccrjustice.org/targetedkillings


To add once again:


"If the Constitution means anything, it surely means that the president does not have unreviewable authority to summarily execute any American whom he concludes is an enemy of the state."
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 02:56 PM
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28. Kick and Rec!
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 03:26 PM
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29. 5 dimensional chess or really fucked up
Are they pushing this this way to make it unequivocal in the future or are they seriously claiming this extra-constitutional privilege?

Where is the due process in these determinations?

Who has been killed or even attacked?

-Hoot
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 04:19 PM
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32. The guy I keep thinking of is Julian Assange
What do you think his life expectancy would be under a Republican King President?
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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 06:47 PM
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35. Megadimensional chess
We can't even see the chessboard Obama's IQ must be 240. This will somehow hurt Rethugs in the 2012 elections.

:sarcasm:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 07:03 PM
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36. Maybe he's planning on declaring John Boehner an enemy combatant
I can't say I'd entirely be against that idea.
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TriMera Donating Member (885 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 07:22 PM
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37. k & r. n/t
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 11:26 AM
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41. Automatic unrec for the ACLU
kidding!

K&R.
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