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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 03:08 PM
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Kent Conrad on Bowles/Simpson proposal (updated)
Edited on Wed Nov-10-10 03:38 PM by ProSense
TPM: A Bold Plan (That I Can't Commit To)

Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad (D-ND) issued the following statement on the Bowles/Simpson proposal:

We have now received a proposal from the bipartisan co-chairs of the President's Fiscal Commission, Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson. This is not the conclusion of the commission's work. This is the beginning.
I commend them for putting together a serious proposal. It reveals just how difficult it is to put the nation on a sound fiscal course. Some of it I agree with; some I strongly disagree with. We will have a chance to offer alternatives as we advance the process later today and next week.

Our task ahead will be difficult, but we must continue to work toward reaching a bipartisan agreement.




Calculated Risk:

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I doubt the mortgage interest deduction will be eliminated, but maybe it could be reduced over time. Same with the exemption for health benefits. I'd prefer if they left Social Security out of this proposal completely, and just addressed the General Fund deficit. Then, after reaching agreement on the General Fund deficit reduction, they could return to Social Security in the future.

Oh well, this proposal will probably end up with most other commission reports - gathering dust (well, mostly digital dust these days).



Steve Benen: THE FISCAL COMMISSION APPEARS TO HAVE WASTED ITS TIME....

Following up on an earlier item, the White House's "National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform" has released a plan from its chairmen on how to balance the budget. At its core, that's pretty much all it is -- a report from former Clinton White House chief of staff Erskine Bowles and former Wyoming Sen. Alan Simpson (R) on their vision for fiscal reform.

But those worried that the fiscal commission might actually present a plan that does real damage can relax. No one could possibly vote for any of this. Megan Carpentier's summary was a good one:

Their recommendations are more or less a list of the third-rail issues of American politics, including cuts in the number of federal workers; increasing the costs of participating in veterans and military health care systems; increasing the age of Social Security eligibility; and major cuts in defense and foreign policy spending. They also encompass a range of tax system reforms that have been floated by many in Washington for years to little effect, including reducing tax rates by eliminating many beloved credits and deductions.

The top-line changes are likely to get the most attention, including Medicare cuts and undermining Social Security.

But some of the other provisions in the chairmen's plan are just head-shaking recommendations, pointing to things that simply won't happen. Some of my favorites -- and by "favorites," I mean ideas that I found astounding, not ideas I actually approve of -- include the elimination of hundreds of thousands of federal workers, the elimination of subsidized student loans, new costs imposed on veterans for their health care, cutting schools on military bases, and new entrance fees at the Smithsonian.

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I've seen some suggestions that the report, such as it is, should be considered "controversial." But that's not quite right. It's better to call this what it is: hopelessly irrelevant.

Indeed, I suspect in a couple of months, this commission will have been almost entirely forgotten, mentioned only as a point of ridicule for what not to do.


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Ezra Klein: There is no report from the fiscal commission

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It's worth taking a moment to consider how we got here: The fiscal commission we have is not the fiscal commission we were supposed to have. The fiscal commission we were supposed to have was the brainchild of Kent Conrad and Judd Gregg, the two senior members of the Senate Budget Committee. "The inability of the regular legislative process to meaningfully act on (the deficit) couldn't be clearer," they wrote. Their proposal would have set up a commission dominated by members of Congress and able to fast-track its consensus recommendations through the congressional process -- no delays, no amendments. But that proposal was filibustered in the Senate, mainly by Republicans who worried it would end in tax increases.

So the president stepped in and created a fiscal commission of his own. Like the Conrad-Gregg commission, it had 18 members, though fewer of them were members of Congress. Like the Conrad-Gregg commission, it would need 14 of its 18 participants to agree to report out its recommendations. But unlike the Conrad-Gregg commission, it had no actual power in Congress. If 14 members agreed on the recommendations, all that meant was that ... 14 members agreed on the recommendations. They could still be filibustered, amended -- whatever. The political logic of this seemed rather peculiar: If the fiscal commission itself could not pass Congress, how would the recommendations from an executive-branch fiscal commission pass Congress? The recommendations, after all, are where the hard stuff is.

Increasingly, the concern looks to be moot: The National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform will not get agreement from 14 of its members. It might not even get a majority. Today's release, unexpectedly, is a draft proposal from the co-chairs, and that might be as close as the commission comes to a comprehensive product. "This is not a proposal I could support," said Rep. Jan Schakowsky, one of the members. Rep. Jeb Hensarling, another participant, was less definitive, but nowhere near supportive. "Some of it I like," he said. "Some of it disturbs me. And some of it I've got to study." The full commission is expected to debate the proposal over the next week.

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Substantively, my impression of the report mirrors Hensarling's: Some of it I like, some of it I don't like, and some of it I need to think more about. But the report doesn't fulfill its basic purpose, which was demonstrating enough consensus among congressional representatives of both parties to convince the public and the political system that Congress is ready to make these choices. The reality is, we don't have a congressional fiscal commission, we don't have a report from the White House's fiscal commission, and we don't have a consensus on fiscal issues between the two parties. The co-chairmen have some interesting policy ideas for how to balance the budget, but as of yet, they've not made any discernible progress on the political deadlock preventing us from balancing the budget. And it's the deadlock, not the policy questions, that they were asked to solve.




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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 03:20 PM
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1. "reducing annual cost-of-living increases for Social Security"
The COLA is already a joke, never keeping up with inflation as it is currently structured.

This will be a killer for those living on SS.
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countrydad58 Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 01:22 AM
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14. Thats the truth!
I know first hand as someone trying to survive with a family on SS Disability!
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 03:50 PM
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2. Conrad is conciliating with fascist austerity!
"serious proposal?" Really? This is a corporativist "bi-partisan" effort. Who will own it? Obama set up the commission, not the Republicans. This commission must be immediately disbanded and its findings condemned 100% by all Democrats who stand as actual progressives. Can you imagine the uproar here if Bush can an austerity commission coming up with these recommendations, and a Democratic senator issued this statement?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 03:53 PM
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3. Have you ever
"Can you imagine the uproar here if Bush can an austerity commission coming up with these recommendations, and a Democratic senator issued this statement?"

...heard of Evan Bayh and Third Way? This is typical for them.

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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 03:56 PM
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4. Yes, and they are enemies.
A recipe for the complete and total destruction of the Democratic Party. Worse, they would be able to do things the Republicans would be hard-pressed to do.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 04:23 PM
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6. Speak of the devil
Third Way lauds fiscal commission chairs proposal, real Dems blast it

The corporatist wing of the Democratic party, in other words Third Way, thinks the plan to lower taxes on the rich and make everyone else hurt proposed by catfood commission chairs Bowles and Simpson is just peachy.

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countrydad58 Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 01:25 AM
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15. So why did Obama
appoint these stooges? His appointees . His Commission!
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 04:01 PM
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5. Why condemn the entire report? It is a reasonable PROPOSAL to start resolving a real problem here.
Edited on Wed Nov-10-10 04:32 PM by Hoyt
I'm not saying it doesn't need some serious tweaking, but it is nothing like the fearmongers among us have been warning us about. As to who gets the credit, I don't care.

Obama made a smart move in my opinion by placing an "adversary" as co-chair. That's a common strategy that astute lawmakers use. I think the first draft is pretty dang good for what it is, and I'm only a couple of years from going on SS and Medicare.

For example, it calls for raising the wage base significantly that is subject to SS tax. That has always been the obvious fix to any fear SS might not fund itself. None of us -- including me -- thought a Republicon would suggest that. But, he did. Why -- because Obama put him in a place where he had little choice.

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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 04:36 PM
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7. Please, you've got to be kidding. A smart move to fill this
Commission with anti-SS and all social safety net programs and give then the authority to provide fodder for the Republicans to finally realize their long-held dream of gutting all Social Safety net programs?

This problem, the deficit, is the business of Congress and never, ever should have been placed in the hands of a bunch of Republicans and near Republicans like Bowles who drool over the prospect of taking every dime they can away from the working class. Apparently now they even want to take away more jobs.

This was insanity. It was declared irrelevant and wrong by every reputable economist (and there are no economists on that Commission except one with dubious credentials).

This pretending that stupid capitulation to the Republicans is 'brilliant' is really becoming ridiculous.

Obama himself condemned Commissions like this in the Campaign, slamming Hillary Clinton for saying this is what she would do. He called them excuses to make an end-run around Congress where these important discussions need to be held IN THE OPEN, by the people who represent the American public.

I hope Democrats will quickly slap this down and then disband this irrelevancy which itself has cost money we apparently CAN'T afford for the people, but can afford to play politics with.
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 04:44 PM
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8. Tell me where it guts SS. Have you even read it?
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 06:46 PM
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13. SS should not even be a part of this discussion.
Who ran up this massive debt? Have you looked at the statistics on when this all began and what actually is causing the deficit? Why is SS even being discussed as part of a way to reduce the deficit when that is a lie? Even if they raise the retirement age, that saved money will NOT go towards reducing the deficit. It will remain in the already solvent SS Fund.

IF they were going to discuss SS in terms of helping to reduce the deficit the only way that could happen would be to RAISE SS benefits.

Their first step towards gutting SS is to raise the retirement age, next will be privatization and reduction of benefits, IF they do not get some strong pushback to this. They've trying to do it for years. This Commission, appointed by a Democrat gave them their chance to start down that road after decades of failing to do so.

Either the American people fight NOW, or kiss SS goodbye over the next few years. Are you going to wait and trust these anti-SS and anti-all Social safety net programs NOT to take this step and then become emboldened to take the next step? Or draw a line in the sand now. SS has nothing to do with the deficit. That is all people need to understand to slap down these proposals before anyone starts taking them seriously.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 07:49 AM
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18. Exactly - "their first step towards gutting SS is to raise the retirement age."
The more irrelevant SS becomes, the less people will see it as a hill to die on. (Sorry for the pun.)






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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 07:15 PM
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19. It's a good pun, and I couldn't agree more ~ n/t
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 05:39 PM
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10. Eliminate the wage cap and no increase in retirement age.
THERE - there's the solution. The there would be surpluses for decades. See - no commission required.

What IS required is the political will to defend the people's interests and, for once, take actions that will possibly narrow economic polarization rather than feed the top 1% at the expense of everyone else.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 04:45 PM
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9. At least he disagrees strongly with part of it. I am not expecting a lot of Conrad,
but this is more than I have seen from others.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 06:25 PM
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11. However, the elephant in the living room
Edited on Wed Nov-10-10 06:26 PM by ProudDad
that's being ignored by everyone during this corporatist circle-jerk...

This masturbatory exercise in twiddling with the deck chairs on the Titanic...

Is that the human race has already outstripped the Earth's capacity to renew itself...

There will BE NO "GROWTH" any more...

If we don't stop trying to "grow bigger" and learn to be better co-creatures on Earth, we're screwed...

I wouldn't worry too much about the "retirement age" in 2075 since at the rate we're spewing greenhouse gasses there will BE NO 2075...

Bon Apatite...
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 06:27 PM
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12. Kent Conrad...ah yes, one of the hatchet men on the Senate Finance
Committee tasked with health insurance reform. I remember him.:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 01:27 AM
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16. K&R...nt
Sid
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Lord Magus Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 02:21 AM
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17. So we've found the one person in America who actually considers this a "serious proposal".
Just retire, Conrad.
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