Al From of the DLC and the Far Center WON. Stop saying the far center does not win!

[Dr Fate]

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=85&subid=900184&contentid=255028


"Democrats are today as powerful as they have been in nearly a half-century...By 2008, the Kos "netroots" generally liberal, well-educated, mostly white and urbane Democratsseemed the demographic and political heirs to McGovern. The common frame, liberal "netroots" versus moderate DLC, was a continuation of the old battle."

I agree with this 100%- these are the exact people that Obama was talking about when he had to scold the disloyal "professional left."

"The Kos bloggers rose during the decline of the GOP majority. It explained their emboldened tone. Republicans' electoral blowouts in recent decades, the DLC's formative environment, were foreign to the "netroots." And without the humility of great defeats, Kos became an arena of liberal purists as well. The bloggers particularly emulated the antiwar left of McGovern's day."

EXACTLY. Easy to puff out your chest and say "We need to be more far left like McGovern, Carter, Che, Dukakis and Patty Hearst" when you are behind your keyboard, but quite another to say this when it is time to find common goals by working with Reagan Democrats, far-centrists, center rights and conservative Democrats.

"But by the 2008 campaign, even Obamawho once said he "probably would not have supported" welfare reformwas running ads celebrating the reduction in welfare roles. Just as Clinton went from working for McGovern to leading the pushback against McGovernites, Obama has also moved to From's side of the debate. And even the DLC's adversaries have noticed. One Daily Kos headline asked in May: "Did the DLC win after all?" It appears so."

Well, read it and weep. And now DLCers PROUDLY walk the halls of the WH and the congress, ready to roll up their sleeves and do what must be done to work with the other side. And where are the Moveons & Kos kids? Oh- that is right- behind their key boards!

[Aramchek]

1. really? what office does he currently hold?

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[Aramchek]

8. ha, I thought your avatar was a joke. You really are a DLCer? That's rich.

you might not want to come across as such an angry malcontent if you want people to buy your schtick.

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[FBaggins]

24. "My boys are strutting up and down the halls of the WH and congress"

Yet far fewer of them this coming January than just a couple weeks ago.

Democrats took a "shelacking"... but the blue dogs got slaughtered.

[Dr Fate]

26. And how many Liberal Bloggers are there? LOL!

n/t

[FBaggins]

27. So it's only liberal bloggers that are upset? Not *liberals*???

That's a particularly large blind spot you've got there.

[Nite Owl]

30. You have no clue do you?

Tell us exactly what it is you personally do to help the dems organize and win? How many people do you actually speak with on the dems behalf?

[niceypoo]

34. He isnt here to organize and win

He is here to attack the left, obviously a troll, said in earlier post that true Democrats voted for Reagan.

Just another troll, your alert button works well!

[Nite Owl]

40. Thanks, I forget that the

alert button is even there!

[Dr Fate]

56. Already done it. My boys are proudly strutting up and down the halls of congress & the WH.

I personally help the far center organize and win, evidenced by the fact that they are in power.

[niceypoo]

33. How many right wing bloggers are there? LOL!

n/t

[Aramchek]

28. now I know you're bullshitting. nice troll attempt.

[niceypoo]

35. Yesterday you said you were a right winger

Now you are a centrist? You must have been warned by the mods.

[Dr Fate]

55. Conservative democrats & Far-Centers are too allowed in the Big Tent.

I never said I was a right winger- I said I was a far center who wants to work with right wingers.

The Presdient says basically the same thing all the time. Since when does emulating the President equate to rules violation?

[Umbral]

2. The 'Far Center' doesn't win, it doesn't fucking exist. It's word splatter. nt

[Dr Fate]

7. Then why are DLCers proudly strutting up and down the halls of the WH and congress?

If anyone does not exist- it is the bloggers, who just type away into the ether.

The Far center is actually IN POWER and they actually get things done.

[Bluenorthwest]

21. Why they strut is anybody's guess...

but after that last election, they'd best get their strut back, they look more plodding and listing to starboard.
.

[niceypoo]

39. Strutting because the Democrats lost? Bragging that the Democratic loss is reason to 'strut'?

Why is this person allowed to post here?

[niceypoo]

37. You are touting a republican election victory?

The republicans are the 'far center'.

Alerted

[Chan790]

61. The far center was just radically marginalized electorally.

Your imprimatur was the kiss of death for a lot of moderate Democrats and virtually all your members in the House of Representatives. If one were to view the DLC/Third-way/NDN corporeally, one could say that while it might not be dead, it is metastatically terminal...it's got too many fatal errors to not die. Please do us a favor and let it die quickly.

The DLC's Friedmanist economics: dead.
The DLC's positional moderation of social issues: zeroed.
The DLC's ability to hold together a center-left coalition to make Democrats viable: non-extant.

It's over for you, you had a good run but it's time to bury the corpse of the NDN/3rd-way/DLC. It's starting to smell funny and exposed putrefaction causes epidemics of preventable diseases.

It does not take a genius to see that the political landscape is hardening with a radical shift to the extremes. To go centrist (in either tent) is to lose...we will lose if the President and Congress doesn't start bailing on you and the rest of the "far center".

[niceypoo]

36. Yesterday he called himself 'the center right'

I noticed he dropped it today. Thank you Mods.

[ProSense]

3. I don't know, losing

nearly 30 blue dogs in the face of gains by the progressive caucus isn't exactly a win for the DLC.

Progressives Caucus remains intact, becomes a plurality of House Dems

[Dr Fate]

9. The far left will never understand LONG TERM, pragmatic strategy. n/t

n/t

[ProSense]

11. The DLC keeps losing ground

Long term their strategy will make them irrelevant, just ask retiring Senator Evan Bayh.

[Dr Fate]

14. So say the modern day Abby Hoffmans. The 90's are coming BACK.

And when they do, I'll be here to say "I told you soooooooo."

We have a proven, MODERN, time tested strategy from the 90's. The GOP will never expect us to continue this strategy- thus we will BLINDSIDE them in 2012 and beyond.

[ProSense]

17. The 90s can't come back

The era of de-regulation is over, even Clinton would acknowledge that.

[Dr Fate]

18. It is no coincidence that grunge music is making a comeback.

Our strategies from the 90's are more relevant than ever. They will continue to work again, again and again.

If everything is so far left now, then why did Obama side with Al From and not with Liberal bloggers?

Talk about disconnect...

[ProSense]

20. "Talk about disconnect..."

That would be this make-believe thread.

It's not even clever.

[Dr Fate]

22. If so, it is your posts that are making it a make believe thread.

Full of ponies, rainbows and other far-left fantasies.

[derby378]

66. Funniest damn thing I've seen all day

The DLC's strategy from the 90s gave us the nightmare that is George W. Bush. You wanna talk long-term, let's dance...

[Beacool]

15. Yeah, all to be replaced by even more conservative Republicans.

Why do you think that they were Blue in the first place? They came from conservative districts that now are even more so. A progressive will not win in most of these places.

:shrug:

[Dr Fate]

16. Correction- a Far Center Progressive can and WILL win- a Liberal cannot. n/t

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[Beacool]

38. Well, you say potato, I say potatoe.

Semantics aside, that's precisely what I meant. The left is cheering because so many BDs lost their seats. I wonder if they are under the delusion that a liberal could win back those seats next time around. Unfortunately, they will probably remain in Republican hands.

:eyes:

[Dr.Phool]

47. Link?

[rocktivity]

4. I've seen no leading from the DLC, just marching in place

much to the delight of their corporate backers.

And I still say that "far center" is an oxymoron.

:headbang:
rocktivity

[Dr Fate]

25. LOL! It's not Liberal Bloggers who are strutting up and down the halls of the WH and congress,...

...it's still the WINNERS of the DLC.

That is really all you need to know.

We still call the shots.

DEAL with it.

[niceypoo]

41. UM, the Democrats got their asses handed to them

This is the biggest loss for the Democrats in decades, but it is apparently wonderful news to you. You are cheering a republican victory, troll.

alerted

[Enrique]

5. "if you don't want the dems to embrace trickle-down, you're like Patty Hearst!"

fuck Al From.

[PassingFair]

10. And now BRUCE REED is the Executive Director of the Debt Commission!!

Hellz yeah!

Now the shitheel who coined the phrase "the end of welfare as we know it"
is working on:

"The end of the middle class as we know it!"

Win!

We at the DLC will rape and pillage
this country (what's left of it after
we aided and abetted the Republican
assault) with the aid of all good Democrats!

Win!

:sarcasm: <-------------- in case this is necessary.

[ProSense]

13. The

most hated people in America

[OHdem10]

19. Even Evan Bayh was honest enough to say they were decimated

in this election.


Pssst. Al From is the most out of touch Republicrat
moving in Democratic Circles. I suppose he has to
poster.

[Dr Fate]

23. He did not say that. And Al From is not a Republican- he is a PROGRESSIVE. n/t

n/t

[Zenlitened]

29. *yawn* This schtick was already getting tiresome yesterday. -n/t

[Dr Fate]

54. Thanks for the kick n/t

n/t

[YOY]

31. I wish you guys would go "lead" the Republicans!

Your dynamite efforts would actually better serve the Democratic party better that way. Oh don't worry. You could still vote Democratic. You'd just be ensuring our victory with your ineptitude.

It would be 40 years of Democratic majority...naw...you're having too much fun this way pretending to be "centrists".

[Ignis]

42. Psst, insert tongue firmly in cheek and re-read.

;)

[YOY]

44. Oh snap...my face is red.

Caught me T....

[dionysus]

32. you're not good at this... but it is funny

:rofl:

[SanchoPanza]

43. Far Center?

Is that anything like extreme moderation? Indulgent restraint? Intemperate temperance?

I salute a clever spoof. The Patty Hearst reference was particularly fun, but a bit too revealing.

[Catherina]

45. Well congratulations on your important wins. It's the rest of us who lose as you strut

From the top down, you've won. Obama is a New Democrat DLCer surrounded by other DLCers. Lieberman wasn't his mentor for nothing.

“I am a New Democrat.” - Barack Obama

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=254931&kaid=85&subid=900184

[Dr.Phool]

46. The DLC! Insuring Republican control for the next century.

[Catherina]

49. I agree but differ in that the control will be shared

so it won't be Republican control but Money Inc control. The ownership class donates to both parties for a reason. Both parties are currying favor with the same people.

We don't stand a chance if we don't weed the bad ones out, even if it takes us 6 years and it looks like there are only a few good ones worth keeping. If we don't pump up the volume, we're lost. And more of these clowns will be strutting down the hallways toasting each other in bipartisanship.

My litmus test will be the war.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

48. Kick for "far center". ;- ) nt

[Dr.Phool]

50. A far center kick. Is that kinda like a shanked punt?

[donco6]

51. If anyone was ambivalent about the DLC, they aren't now.

I can't believe you're not just pulling our leg.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

52. The novelty has worn off. (n/t)

[Dr Fate]

63. Thanks for the kick n/t

n/t

[w4rma]

53. Love the sarcasm!

This sure looks like sarcasm to me. :hi: Although, it's tough to tell for sure since it really does sound like what a regular corrupt DLCer might say.

DLC = Democrats Lose Congress, every time.

[Dr Fate]

57. I am so from the far center! STOP SAYING I AM NOT THE FAR CENTER!

[ClassWarrior]

58. One more time, No Center, No Centrists...

No Center, No Centrists
George Lakoff

"Centrism" is the creation of an inaccurate self-serving metaphor, and it is time to bury it.

There is no left to right linear spectrum in the American political life. There are two systems of values and modes of thought -- call them progressive and conservative (or nurturant and strict, as I have). There are total progressives, who use a progressive mode of thought on all issues. And total conservatives. And there are lots of folks who are what I've called "biconceptuals": progressive on certain issue areas and conservative on others. But they don't form a linear scale. They are all over the place: progressive on domestic policy, conservative on foreign policy; conservative on economic policy, progressive on foreign policy and social issues; conservative on religion, but progressive on social issues and foreign policy; and on and on. No linear scale. No single set of values defining a "center." Indeed many of such folks are not moderate in their views; they can be quite passionate about both their progressive and conservative views.

Barack Obama has it right: Get rid of the very idea of the right and the left and the center. American ideas are fundamentally progressive ideas -- the ideas this country was founded on and that carry forth that spirit. Progressives care about people and the earth, and act with responsibility and strength on that care...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-lakoff/no-center-no-centrists_b_60419.html

NGU.

[Dr Fate]

62. Well, that certainly clears things up.

I agree with this article. We are all progressives, no matter what.

We can be "progressive on domestic policy, conservative on foreign policy; conservative on economic policy, progressive on foreign policy and social issues; conservative on religion, but progressive on social issues and foreign policy; and on and on."

Does not matter how conservative or how Liberal a Democrat- they are STILL progressives with "American Ideas", no matter what. So long as the Liberal keeps his unpopular ideas quiet.

This is what I was trying to say the other day in my big tent speech- that all Democrats have the exact same goals and "American Ideas", no matter how Liberal or how conservative they may be.

This why Liberals need to back down and let far centers do whatever needs to be done- b/c we are all progressives and we all share the exact same American Ideas, no matter what.

[boppers]

64. "we are all progressives and we all share the exact same American Ideas, no matter what."

:rofl:

[ClassWarrior]

65. Oh, I get it. Ham-handed satire.

:/

NGU.

[Dr Fate]

67. If only we could get more swing voters to read Lakoff. n/t

n/t

[Hell Hath No Fury]

59. Al and the can suck my dick.

That is all.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

60. If you had some really good corporate connections he probably would. nt

[muffin1]

71. !

:thumbsup:

[Canuckistanian]

68. The Onion guys got a new website, I see

This one is hilarious.

[Raine1967]

69. Throwing dirt in the face of people under the same tent as

you will certainly win you no supporters-- Even the DLC knows that.

Maybe you should take a lesson or two from the people you claim are walking the halls.

What you are doing is incredibly devisive and not constructive at all. You really sound like a right winger -- which, btw, doesn't do a hellova lotta good for the DLC or for centrists. You sound just as bad as some *progressives*.

[Dr Fate]

70. I'm sorry that you do not like the article from the DLC's official website,

Maybe Mother Jones is more your speed?

LOL! Take a lesson from DLCers? I have. I proudly quote their webtext here for all to see.

What do you mean this is not something the DLC would say? It's direct quotes from their own website- which is where I get all my best strategies.

[Raine1967]

73. You are sorry for nothing.

What you are is offensive -- IMO, of course.

[Dr Fate]

77. If you dislike the DLC article from the DLC website, maybe you should also take it up with the DLC.

All I'm doing is quoting it and agreeing with it.

Dont act like it is just me- I'm just agreeing with much of the party leadership.

You say I should try to act more like DLCers? LOL! I'm quoting them from their own website!

[hulka38]

72. The DLC is cancer. n/t

[Odin2005]

74. "Far Center" = CORPORATISTS

Fuck them all.

[bullwinkle428]

75. Is this post satire?

[Dr Fate]

78. No, but I've been known to do decent impressions. n/t

n/t

[craigmatic]

76. Dude you cited an article from 2009. Centrists lost the most out of all the factions of the party

in congress. I said it before we won't be able to win and actually do anything big if we follow the DLC. Without the left we're just in this for the power and that's not enough.

[Dr Fate]

79. I'd say that we can still get a lot from the article. n/t

n/t

[fadedrose]

80. The letters DLC and name Al From make me nauseas, sorry....eom