Mark "OCB" Penn's pal Doug "Fox Contributor" Schoen on why President Obama shouldn't run in 2012

[ProSense]

First, this asshole: Mark Penn Says Obama Needs Another Moment Like Oklahoma City Bombing To Reconnect With The Country

Next, this POS:

On Election Night, Fox News did what viewers expected it to do: it featured a panel of media personalities lavishing praise on Republicans. There was a token Democrat -- pollster Doug Schoen, who appears to hate Democrats and exists to bolster GOP talking points -- but none of this was especially surprising.

One and done: To be a great president, Obama should not seek reelection in 2012

By Douglas E. Schoen and Patrick H. Caddell
Sunday, November 14, 2010

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This is a critical moment for the country. From the faltering economy to the burdensome deficit to our foreign policy struggles, America is suffering a widespread sense of crisis and anxiety about the future. Under these circumstances, Obama has the opportunity to seize the high ground and the imagination of the nation once again, and to galvanize the public for the hard decisions that must be made. The only way he can do so, though, is by putting national interests ahead of personal or political ones.

To that end, we believe Obama should announce immediately that he will not be a candidate for reelection in 2012.

If the president goes down the reelection road, we are guaranteed two years of political gridlock, at a time when we can ill afford it. But by explicitly saying he will be a one-term president, Obama can deliver on his central campaign promise of 2008, draining the poison from our culture of polarization and ending the resentment and division that have eroded our national identity and common purpose.

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And for Democrats such as current Speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) - who has said that entitlement reform is dead on arrival - the president's new posture would make it much harder to be inflexible. Given the influence of special interests on the Democratic Party, Obama would be much more effective as a figure who could remain above the political fray. Challenges such as boosting economic growth and reducing the deficit are easier to tackle if you're not constantly worrying about the reactions of senior citizens, lobbyists and public employee unions.

Moreover, if the president were to demonstrate a clear degree of bipartisanship, it would force the Republicans to meet him halfway. If they didn't, they would look intransigent, as the GOP did in 1995 and 1996, when Bill Clinton first advocated a balanced budget. Obama could then go to the Democrats for tough cuts to entitlements and look to the Republicans for difficult cuts on defense.

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Dear Doug Schoen, Fuck you, you delusional POS.

[TwilightGardener]

1. I seriously don't think it gets stupider.

[ProSense]

4. And they have the nerve to add this little race-baiting tidbit

Should the president do that, he - and the country - would face virtually no bad outcomes. The worst-case scenario for Obama? In January 2013, he walks away from the White House having been transformative in two ways: as the first black president, yes, but also as a man who governed in a manner unmatched by any modern leader. He will have reconciled the nation, continued the economic recovery, gained a measure of control over the fiscal problems that threaten our future, and forged critical solutions to our international challenges. He will, at last, be the unifying figure globally he has sought to be, and will almost certainly leave a better regarded president than he is today. History will look upon him kindly - and so will the public.

Scumbags.

They put up a poll, which I'm sure they think means squat.

[TwilightGardener]

5. Degrading, condescending...and yes, race-baiting.

[ProSense]

8. Yes, it all fits together. n/t

[karynnj]

12. So two people who started as pollsters put up an internet poll

knowing that there is NO valid way to do an open telephone (ie where they give a number to call for yes and a number for no) or an internet poll of this kind. There is NO way to deal with the many types of things that bias the poll.

Why aren't they just honest - then they would write the question as:

As it is possible that Hillary Clinton will be seen as too old in 2016 and because in these intense times getting 3 democratic terms will be difficult, should Obama announce he is not running and endorse Hillary, who we all know was the one whose turn it was in 2008?

[ClarkUSA]

2. Gee, I wonder who these uberClintonian stooges have in mind to run in 2012?

:eyes:

[TwilightGardener]

3. Then there's that. LOL.

I can't believe they're going to "flatter" him into quitting. Insane.

[karynnj]

13. Obama will run, but imagine if Obama takes this to heart -

and Biden charms Iowa - which is quite possible. Remember that Biden's economic aide (Jared Bernstein) is the only real progressive on the economic team. Alternatively, if it is open who knows who might run. Also remember that Hillary was on the hawk side against Biden, Kerry and Reed on Afghanistan. that is not likely to help Hillary and they are crazy if they think that she would have an uncontested fight.

The fact is the Democrats by far best choice in 2012 is Obama.

[tularetom]

6. Yeah, too bad he didn't "demonstrate a clear degree of bipartisanship"

Jeezus effing christ, the only thing he has not yet done is change his party designation to (R).

What's more the elected Dems who demonstrated the clearest degree of bipartisanship, are no longer elected Dems. The Dems who acted like Dems are still around. Why does anybody listen to pieces of shit like these douchebags?

Thanks Clinton for sticking the Democratic party with leeches like this.

[gkhouston]

7. Are they offering Ginsu steak knives if he resigns by midnight?

:rofl:

[flamingdem]

19. lol nt

[alcibiades_mystery]

9. Mark Penn: Only guy that can lose a primary season handed to him on a silver platter

Best dumbass to ever happen to the United States, that guy.

"Don't worry, Hillary. These little state caucuses won't matter after Super Tuesday!"

:rofl:

:rofl:

Loser.

[Honeycombe8]

10. Apparently many people in this forum agree with him. nt

[ProSense]

11. Frankly,

I doubt anyone here agrees with Mark Penn and Doug Schoen's logic.

They're the ultimate, snake-in-the-grass, triangulating, GOP-enabling douchebags.

[Honeycombe8]

14. Frankly, you're wrong. They may not agree 100% with the logic all the way

through, but they most certainly agree with the end result.

Go back to the main board and read some of the posts. You could transfer some of the posts to a Republican board, and it would look right at home.

[ProSense]

15. No

"They may not agree 100% with the logic all the way"

I can say with the utmost confidence that the overwhelming majority here agree with these GOP tool asshole's logic: 0 percent.

"Go back to the main board and read some of the posts. You could transfer some of the posts to a Republican board, and it would look right at home."

I don't need to read the main board. People have their reasons for criticizing the President, and wanting him primaried, but no one in their right mind is demanding that the President not run, and no one with a functioning brain is demanding he step up the bipartisanship.

[impik]

16. They may not agree with the twisted reason in this article, but they agree with the bottom line

many of them. They just want Obama to go away.

[KingFlorez]

17. Many said that Clinton shouldn't run again after a poor midterm

Larry Sabato explains why observations like this are pointless http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/ljs2010111101/

[ProSense]

18. Many said

Reagan shouldn't run

That is not the issue with the OP. It is disingenuous garbage being advanced by GOP shills.

[Mimosa]

20. Mark Penn is demented or warped to wish something like that on this country.

Mark Penn was among the reasons I couldn't support Hillary.