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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 09:49 AM
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"I've never seen a party so afraid of doing the obvious, popular thing..."
Edited on Mon Nov-15-10 09:59 AM by babylonsister
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_11/026636.php


TAX CUT TACTICS.... Last week, senior White House advisor David Axelrod caused quite a bit of trouble when he suggested the administration was prepared to cave and give Republicans the tax cuts they want. Yesterday, on "Meet the Press," he was a little more cautious, but didn't exactly speak from a position of strength -- he would only rule out a "permanent extension of tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans," which keeps a temporary extension prominently on the table.

Part of the larger problem is that we're not looking at two competing approaches for everyone to consider. There's one Republican plan -- a permanent extension of Bush-era tax rates, adding trillions to the debt for a tax policy that was a demonstrable failure.

But there isn't a single Democratic alternative -- by some counts, there are six or seven counter-proposals -- which necessarily makes the political debate more difficult. There are some indications, however, that the left is starting to rally behind a single approach. Greg Sargent had this report late on Friday:

One of the most powerful labor organizations in the country is throwing its weight behind a legislative strategy on the Bush tax cuts in which Democrats would hold a vote on just extending the middle class tax cuts permanently, without any vote on the high end ones.

"The election is over -- we believe Congress ought to get down to business and vote on extending the tax cuts for the middle class, and not vote on the tax cuts for the rich," Bill Samuel, the legislative director of the AFL-CIO, told me in an interview this afternoon. "Congress should not extend the tax cuts for the rich -- not even temporarily -- because that would do more harm than good for the economy."

AFL-CIO's declaration represents the first major institutional endorsement of taking this approach in the lame duck session, suggesting the possibility that labor and leading liberals in Washington may begin coalescing behind it. More broadly, the move is also a sign that labor and liberals will demand that Obama and Congressional Dems draw a hard line against Republicans in the tax cut fight.


This is, you'll notice, the original approach adopted by President Obama -- tax cuts for the middle class, a return to Clinton-era rates for the wealthy. Indeed, this was Candidate Obama's idea as presented to voters in 2008, when he won the presidency fairly easily.

It's hard to say, at least at this point, whether the more centrist elements in the Democratic caucus could support this, but either way, there's benefit that comes with having the left stake out a clear, compelling, and popular position on how best to proceed -- there's a rival pole to match the right's.

Here's hoping this helps change the trajectory of the debate, at least a little, because at this point I continue to marvel at how badly Dems are playing the game. The best option seems to painfully obvious to me that I'm amazed Democrats are afraid to try it: bring middle-class tax cuts to the floor and dare Republicans to kill them. If the GOP caves, Dems get the policy they want. If the GOP kills the tax-cut package, Clinton-era rates return for everyone, which is probably the policy Dems should want, and the headlines read, "Republicans kill tax cut compromise; higher rates kick in Jan. 1."

I've never seen a party so afraid of doing the obvious, popular thing that puts their rivals on the defensive. It's a gift-wrapped present that Dems seem afraid to open.

—Steve Benen
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Misskittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 09:53 AM
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1. K&R
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 07:10 AM
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19. The democratic party has the republicans ...
tied to train tracks with a train about to run them over on this issue, and are all tripping over one another trying to figure out a way to cut the ropes and let them off the tracks ...

VERY RARELY in life do you get to have a REALLY BAD idea that can go away with you simply doing N O T H I N G ...

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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 10:00 AM
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2. our leaders don't believe in our party and its platform.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 10:03 AM
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3. Our leaders are playing us for fools and prisoners
Edited on Mon Nov-15-10 10:04 AM by Demeter
a combination Captive Market and Food Supply, oh, and slave labor, and gratuitous amusement objects...
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 01:07 PM
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8. That's the part a lot of Dems don't want to believe. nt
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 10:20 AM
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4. Actually this proves just how much real power is in the nands
of Business. Since both parties drink at the same
trough and are beholden unto them, it is really quite
difficult to stand up and fiercely fight for the country
and the people.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 10:25 AM
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5. I listened to Chris Hedges on the radio this morning
He was discussing the death of the pillars of liberalism - the point of his latest book, Death of the Liberal Class.

I was working in social services during the Clinton administration and watched as the right wing draconian welfare "reforms" were put in place. And NAFTA was made the law. It's been downhill for unions and families ever since.

Listening this morning wasn't the best way to start the day but it is what it is.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 01:10 PM
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9. It's depressing, but the sooner we believe what's happened...
...the sooner we can vote out our enemies.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 01:16 PM
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11. Yup, giving up is not an option. But there are fewer of us left.
The rich could get richer with a strong working class all around the world. But greed is a sickness and it doesn't allow for the long view. Seems like it wants to grind us into the ground to get its jollies. The, 'I'm up here and you're under my heel' kind of mentality.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 02:12 PM
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14. See Hedges article today in Editorials.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_origin_of_americas_intellectual_vacuum_20101115


"Certain ideas have since become unthinkable, which is in the interest of corporations such as Goldman Sachs. The power to exclude certain ideas serves the power of corporations. It is unfortunate that there is no political party in the United States to run against Goldman Sachs. I am in favor of elections, but there is no way I can vote against Goldman Sachs.”
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 03:55 PM
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17. Great piece - thanks! nt
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 07:23 AM
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21. and it was Clinton who allowed the deregulation of media conglomerations
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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 10:37 AM
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6. A reminder: The wealthy only would have the rate changed
for their taxed incomes over $250,000. They pay the same rates you and I pay:


Schedule X — Single
If taxable income is over-- But not over-- The tax is:
$0 $8,350 10% of the amount over $0
$8,351 $33,950 $835.00 plus 15% of the amount over $8,350
$33,951 $82,250 $4,675.00 plus 25% of the amount over $33,950
$82,251 $171,550 $16,750.00 plus 28% of the amount over $82,250
$171,551 $372,950 $41,754.00 plus 33% of the amount over $171,550
$372,951 no limit $108,216.00 plus 35% of the amount over $372,950 (this is the only rate that would change!)

In addition there are even better rates if you file jointly and take advantage of all the various deductions and shelters that are available.

The wealthy will still find a way to keep more money than they should.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 02:24 PM
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15. Is it just me, or is this chart difficult to deduce. Can't it be
couched in simpler terms?
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 12:08 PM
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7. The problem is that the Democrats also want tax cuts for the rich but don't want us to know it.
Where does their funding come from?
Same place as the Republicans.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 01:13 PM
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10. This is what's so galling. Why back off of an apparent political gimmee without a fight?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 01:17 PM
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12. Democrats should hold a vote on the tax cuts for the middle class only
If they get some blue dogs to vote for it, it might pass.

If it doesn't, then they will automatically expire.

Republicans have no say in the House vote.

The Senate is another story, as they can filibuster.



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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 03:32 PM
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16. Actually, I've heard that the "original"..
Bush tax cuts were passed through reconciliation and thus the Dems could do the same with the middle class tax cut extentions... avoiding filibuster??
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WingDinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 01:28 PM
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13. Why dont you guys get it? Axelrod was inflating expectations.
Setting them up for the same thing we suffer from. And not a bad move, if you ask me.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 06:41 AM
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18. Because we witnessed the last two years, that's why.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 07:22 AM
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20. Pathetic, isn't it? And they even try to squelch those that do make an honest effort...
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 07:40 AM
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22. K & R
:kick:
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