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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:14 AM
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Toughen up, Barack.
Edited on Tue Nov-16-10 12:32 AM by Drunken Irishman
It's interesting how the President has been painted as not tough enough. This is something the media likes to do to liberals because it falls into a stereotype that while they're intellectually strong, they're masculinely weak.

This is not new. They've been doing it since I can remember. John Kerry, a man who went to war and put his life on the line for this nation, was often called effeminate and weak.

Recently, Sharron Angle told Harry Reid to man up. Implying he didn't have the balls for the job. A typical exchange we've seen from the right-ring press toward Democratic candidates who, while maybe not as raucous, have seen remarkable sets of legislative accomplishments over the years.

We've been told Democrats aren't manly enough. They're not John Wayne. They don't talk tough and they don't act tough. The Democratic Party, as Arnold Schwarzenegger so un-eloquently put it in 2004, is filled with a bunch of girlie men.

It was offensive then and it's offensive now. To imply Democrats are less tough than Republicans because they might not be as brazen and loud is ridiculous.

In fact, I would wager Democrats have proven over and over they not only have the fortitude to fight - but they also have the smarts to do it sensibly.

They know their battles and they know that path to a successful end result. I don't think Republicans do. I think most Republicans are quite content on banging their chests, making loud noises and eventually failing at getting what they want done because none of that has absolutely anything to do with being a successful politician. It might be what gets you elected, but it doesn't garner you support legislatively.

It's why George W. Bush does not have many domestic accomplishments to his name. He barked and he walked with swagger and he went to his ranch and cleared the brush - but what did that get him? We didn't privatize Social Security. His tax cuts weren't made permanent - which had he succeeded, the debate we're having now wouldn't exist. He failed at any type of social reform or budget reform. He promised tort reform and that didn't happen and he was supposed to bring about immigration reform and it was an issue left to the next president.

Bush was good at portraying an image of a tough guy. Someone who you'd see brawlin' it up in the bar on a late Tuesday night. Republicans loved that attitude. Democrats laughed at his shoot from the hip first mentality. It was successful in gaining votes, but it was not successful in changing Washington.

Bush was a failure not because of what he did - but because of what he didn't do. He proved politics is more than attitude. It's more than tough talk. It's more than getting out in front of the cameras and acting like Mr. Badass. That's the Hollywood version of the presidency - not the reality.

Because of this, I would wager that Pres. Bush was not tough at all. He was a paper tiger. Zhǐ lǎohǔ, as the Chinese put it. He gave off the image of a rugged cowboy, but deep down he wilted. He failed in almost every turn because he couldn't handle the heat. He couldn't handle the heat from the Democrats and he couldn't handle the heat from his own party on major issues like that immigration reform that never materialized.

He was a weak president. But because he played tough for the cameras and strutted around his ranch, the media bought into his image. A lot of people bought into his image.

Likewise, we've got a president now who is not about to lash out and wag his finger at the Republicans and the media. He's not hotheaded. He's not John Wayne. He's Bruce Wayne. He's calm. He's sensible. He's the type of president who would rather let his accomplishments speak for him than he speak for his accomplishments. The latter is easy. It's always easy talking ourselves up.

But that's Pres. Obama. It's not Pres. Obama to turn into Mr. Mean. Mr. Tough Guy. But, as Bush showed, outwardly image is not necessarily indicative of someone's true persona.

I do believe Pres. Obama is tough. I think a man who can take the criticism he has from both the left and the right and continue to put as much energy and fight into his agenda is someone who certainly has a great deal of strength.

While we debated back and forth here at home, fighting about his politics, demanding he answer our every concern, Pres. Obama was on the other side of the world, fighting to make this planet better.

He's come home now and the criticism continues and I doubt he'll give up. I doubt he'll give up his agenda because the Republicans have returned to power. I doubt he'll change his mannerisms because the left aren't content. I doubt he'll be the perfect president so many of us want. But I don't doubt his sincerity and his fight.

Pres. Obama isn't going away. As much as the Republican Party and many on the left wish he would, he's still here. And I believe he'll be here a few more years. They can try to marginalize him by questioning his masculinity and toughness - but I suspect that doesn't bother him. He's heard worse and he's probably seen worse in his life.

In the end, he'll continue racking up legislative accomplishments without the need to flex his muscles. Because true leaders lead and the pretenders only pretend to be something they're not.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:23 AM
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1. You said it, DI
And as was said about Bush so many times, he was all hat and no cattle.

That's not Obama. Yeah, he doesn't swagger, he doesn't use all the jingoistic code words to get the people like the Tea Partiers all hotted up, but he DOES get things done.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:33 AM
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2. We are a superficial country....where most folks end up cheering
for folks to be what just a week before, folks abhored!

That's why this country is so fucked. We always want
whatever we don't have, and rarely appreciate what we
have till we don't have it anymore.
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 01:03 AM
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3. +100..
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 01:28 AM
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4. Obama is currently the most powerful man in the world, they can't get over that
.. and it's not just republicans.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 01:35 AM
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5. Your comments about Bush's failures got me thinking.
Bush certainly rammed a lot through Congress when it came to war and foreign policy. But, he didn't do so well on domestic issues. When compared to Bush, the major agenda items Obama passed through Congress look pretty impressive. I never thought of putting it in that perspective.
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 01:36 AM
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6. The "toughen up" memo came from the left. It's the left that wants a liberal Georg Bush, and
Edited on Tue Nov-16-10 01:38 AM by impik
it's the left who calls the first black president - man who received secret service protection earlier than any candidate in the history and who receives more death threats than any president - a "wimp" (and that's actually the nicest word they use).

The RW, they do what they always do. No surprise there. But it's the left that created a narrative of failure to the most successful president in decades, and it's the left that continues to weaken him 24/7, out of some false notion that if he'll go home in 2012, a "true progressive" will replace him.

Half of this whole crap is racism, but that is something you're not allowed to say here.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 01:37 AM
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7. yeah half the people who disagree with obama are racist..... ok nt
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 01:43 AM
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8. Michael Moore and his friends wouldn't dare to tell a white president the disgusting
things they tells Obama. And a white president achieving half of what Obama achieved, would be regarded as a big success. This president is being held to completely different standards. He needs to be 10 times better than any previous president, in order t gt half the credit.

Yes, half of this crap is racism.
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de novo Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 05:42 AM
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12. You think Michael Moore is a racist?
I don't. I also don't think that half of the people who criticize Obama are racists.

Honestly, I think what we are see is the lingering effect of bush and how badly he lowered the Office of the Presidency. He earned his disrespect. He was wholly deserving of all the hatred and vitriol aimed at him. His horrendous actions and attitudes changed the way Americans view their President. Obama happened to be the next President and many on the right and in the center, automatically reacted with similar disdain because he is a Democrat, not for any nefariousness acts.

Another thing that has changed in the past 15-20 years is the openness and accessibility of the internet. People are permitted to say things and make criticisms over the internet that they had no national fora previously.

I don't deny that there are racists that do hate the President because he is black. But to suggest that liberal critics are criticizing solely because of his skin color is disingenuous, and frankly a very weak argument. It is lazy to brush aside any honest debate on policy by attempting to label critics as racist.

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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 10:53 AM
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16. IMO he has proven himself to be insensitve
unprofessional and silly. Stating the president should take off the pink tutu. Not only was it homophobic but it was sexist. Oh but that is ok because he has not reached the level of racism. Well at least not yet.
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de novo Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 11:50 AM
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20. I was responding to the poster alleging racsim. I agree that the use
of the term is homophobic and/or sexist, but the poster was claiming racism. Not just for Moore, but for 'at least half' of Obama's critics on the left.

On that I disagree.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 10:56 AM
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18. I think he's a peanut head who'd never be elected President. nt
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de novo Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 11:48 AM
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19. I don't disagree. But, that is not the same as a racist.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 11:50 AM
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21. I'm not in agreement w/Impik on the racism part...
.... but everything else Impik said is spot on.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 01:32 PM
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24. That is positively unfair to Michael Moore
Comments made by Moore about Reagan, Bush 41 and 43 and even Clinton have been much more harsh than anything he's ever said about Obama.

Undeniably much antipathy towards Obama is racist in origin. But it is dishonest and horrible to attempt to paint Moore as a racist in order to 'defend' Obama.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 04:59 AM
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10. At least. n/t
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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 09:01 AM
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14. More than half
And I am not afraid to say so.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 10:55 AM
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17. Exactly.
Perhaps we need to "man up" and quit doing this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpSfThUv_pc
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joeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 04:45 AM
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9. "And I believe he'll be here a few more years."
Wow, brilliant considering he has two more years left in his term. However, I guarantee if he leads as poorly the next two years as the first two he will lose in 2012. This is coming from someone that supported him as much or more than most here. If we keep defending him like the Bush supporters did until the end, Obama will continue to lose the support of most Americans.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 05:14 AM
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11. You can't guarantee nuthin'...
And this is from someone who supported him more than most here.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 06:51 AM
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13. If we keep tearing him down like we did bush, we will be right. Won't we?
No, we'll be governed by the rightwing and it's minions. Not much to look forward to for me, a person who supported Barack Obama since before 2004 and payed attention to what he was telling us in his campaign for president. I voted for what he was, not what I intended to turn him into...or else.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 09:07 AM
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15. One of these things doesn't belong
Lyndon B. Johnson
Richard M. Nixon
Gerald R. Ford
James Carter
Ronald Reagan
George H. W. Bush
William J. Clinton
George W. Bush
Barack Obama

Which one is the corporatist sellout trojan horse who is in over his head?

President Obama is tough, and likely brushes off the smear, but that doesn't mean I have to accept anyone's attempt to totally disrespect the man.

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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:10 PM
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22. Thank you for writing that DI!
Expresses my thoughts on this right wing meme enabled by the left - it's thoughtless and stupid and just plain untrue.

:toast: :thumbsup: :fistbump: :yourock:
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 01:23 PM
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23. Thanks.
K & R :thumbsup:
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 01:42 PM
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25. Alert the mods and/or admin when you see this asinine right-wing meme. Skinner spelled it out here:
Edited on Tue Nov-16-10 01:43 PM by ClarkUSA
Let's take your example. Say Congress and the President extend the Bush tax cuts for the rich. You want to criticize that action. Here is the rule:

Disrespectful nicknames, crude insults, or right-wing smears against Democrats.

Democratic Underground welcomes a wide range of people from the left half of the political spectrum, and our members are welcome to post messages either criticizing or defending Democrats. We permit any substantive criticism of President Obama and Democrats -- even harsh criticism that may not seem constructive -- provided it comes from a liberal perspective. However, we do not permit the following: Referring to Democrats using disrespectful nicknames (eg: Calling President Obama "Barry"); Crude insults against Democrats (eg: "Fuck Harry Reid"); Insults, attacks, or baseless partisan smears against Democrats that one is likely to find on right-wing blogs or talk radio (eg: Secret Muslim, No birth certificate).



So, let's do the checklist.

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Does your criticism involve crude insults against the President or Democrats?
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