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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 01:35 PM
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The Republicans are right...
Edited on Thu Nov-18-10 01:37 PM by ProudDad
What if the Republicans are right and the billions of dollars spent by the propaganda machine of the far-right has actually brainwashed the USAmerican sheeple into a for-right wing position?

This REALLY is a right-wing country... That people have been cleansed of the Communitarian, New Deal spirit that was generally held back when I was young.

What would your response be?

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Mine is to find some other corner of the world where a human being can live out one's life in peace and let the fucking Empire collapse while watching from afar, laughing my ass off...

'Cause, kids, I'm pretty fucking tired after 50+ years of fighting the Empire...I deserve a rest...
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 01:42 PM
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1. I think you are spot on
This is a right wing country, at least it has been brainwashed that way. Ronald Reagan and his ilk led the path from the progressive ideas of the 30' through the 70's, and replaced it with a trickle-down mindset. I know this sounds negative, but the progressive ideas that shaped America into the most powerful economic force in the world is gone. The American Dream that so many attained from such progressive ideas like the GI Bill, Social Security, Medicare, etc. is gone. It's gone, and I don't think I will ever see it again in my lifetime.

It's still too early to drink, isn't it?
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 02:20 PM
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9. I would argue ...
that as a people we remain progressive as a whole ...

I think the right wing has:

1) Found VERY effective frames that sound good at a superficial level but bely the real intent
2) We have increaslingly become less critical in our thinking and more self focused, and as such are more succeptable to the BS the right spins
3) The "liberal media" has pretty much given up even trying to take a journalistic pose, and has either been bullied or bought into the two cardinal rules of modern day news a) marginalize Ds and progressive thought at all times b) rationalize and carry water for the crape the right wing is advancing
4) They just are flat out meaner and louder, and force their voice to be heard - again, the media either is bullied or willingly compliant ...

I don't any way out of this ... I am just completely blown away that two years after the most disasterous presidency we have seen our country saw fit to put the idiots back in charge of the house who are mostly to blame for where we are at, and who advanced, literally, NO agenda to turn it around ...
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 01:44 PM
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2. I'm already in the process of finalizing all the paper work for an immediate move to France. n/t
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 01:44 PM
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3. My response would be that I have barely begun to fight......
and that taking down that Right Wing propaganda machine with whatever action
is deemed necessary should be a true priority for those that have correctly observed
this phenomenon as being a real one.

Laughing from afar could be fun....
although it really won't be that funny....
and since this is about more than just me,
or even my own children, guess I'll have to
continue being a frontline soldier who although tired,
will slog on.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 01:48 PM
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4. I have to go along with you. There i s no way I can leave this country.
So I and mine will stay and continue to fight for what we believe is right.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 01:49 PM
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5. That durned MLK
He said: "Even if I knew the world were ending tomorrow, I would still plant a tree today."

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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 01:54 PM
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6. What a beautiful quote
nm
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Inchworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 02:09 PM
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7. I looked that quote up because it it perfect
Did MLK say it in a speech? I was hoping to find footage.

I did find where Martin Luther said something similar.
""Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree.” -Martin Luther

Just curious, I like learning.

:)
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 05:31 PM
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13. wow; and on the day before he died he did plant a tree with the mountaintop speech.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 02:09 PM
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8. I think it all depends ...
... upon whether the American populace identifying themselves with the right truly believes in and embraces Laissez-faire Libertarian Lunacy and a lottery mindset, or do they really believe in the concept of safety nets, fairness and equality in the marketplace, protecting domestic markets (as Adam Smith believed), and the like.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 02:39 PM
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10. One of the changes I see in so many Americans today, that stuns me the most,
Edited on Thu Nov-18-10 02:45 PM by CrispyQ
is the pride in being willfully ignorant.

I'm certain there are many more liberals than given credit for, because the right wing has spent the last 30 years blasting the word liberal. The dems should have loudly & clearly defined liberal values & pointed to popular social programs that liberal values produced. It's embarrassing how weak the dems are at messaging. George Lakoff has been writing about this for years. Why don't they listen? Could it be that the dem leaders are happy shifting to the right? That they have lost the convictions of democratic values? That they have sold out to the corporate elite?

on edit: K&R cuz I think this is a really good discussion to have. The largest voting segment is the non-voters. So what are they? Are they mostly conservative like our media would like us to believe, or are they more liberal than they are aware of being?
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 02:49 PM
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11. They wish. The propaganda is pro-Corporate all the time. Not always pro-Republican.
Sure most of their ranks are sell-outs to the interest's of the Upper Class but things like privacy, gov't spending, consumer rights, fiscal responsibility, a non-interventionist U.S. foreign policy, states rights, etc. are all gone forever. No way the Corporate Media allows anything in those area's unless it directly helps them make more $$$ and gain more power.

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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 03:36 PM
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12. IMO, the people who vote are on the right. The country overall is center-left.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 11:06 PM
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14. I wonder...
I keep thinking of how people would say of those who didn't leave Germany in the 30s, "Couldn't they see the handwriting on the wall? Why did they stay there?"
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