WH "Outraged" At Carville, He Responds "if they're offended, let 'em be offended"

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James Carville says he views the joke he made at a Christian Science Monitor breakfast as "mild."

"If Hillary gave him one of her balls, they'd both have two," Democratic strategist James Carville told the Christian Science Monitor at a breakfast on Thursday morning.

Video-->> http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/11/18/cnn_white_house_outraged_at_carville_he_responds.html

"If I offended anybody, I'm not sorry and I don't apologize," Carville told CNN.



Pure class.

[gateley]

1. Not only did he diss them both, it probably wasn't the typed of joke to be told

at a breakfast meeting. Pretty crass and not very thoughtful of the attendees.

[Bette Noir]

42. It's an old joke, too. I remember it from the primaries.

[struggle4progress]

70. +

[impik]

2. The WH should not react. This neanderthal will get his punishment

[polichick]

8. The WH shouldn't react publicly - but that doesn't mean the prez...

...shouldn't take the implied advice to get tough on Republicans - those assholes are walking all over him. Obama shouldn't grant them another meeting after what they did today.

[ClarkUSA]

3. Carville is a PUMA through and through. And the Clintons don't seem to mind at all.

If they did, Carville would either shut up or apologize.

First Mark Penn suggested President Obama should resign in a WaPo op-ed and now this.

That's two uber-Clintonians who are super close to Bill Clinton talking trash about President Obama in the same week.

Coincidence? I think not.

It's obvious to me who's directing this garbage and why.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

14. +1

[Metric System]

68. -1

[librechik]

4. And where are Carville's balls? Mary Matalin has them in her purse.

Ha ha just a joke and I don't apologize

[Drunken Irishman]

5. I don't understand why Carville is even relevant anymore. 1992 was a long, long time ago.

[gkhouston]

11. He's only relevant if we give a shit about what he says. I don't.

Carville is on minute 17 of his fame and his pronouncements are meaningless.

[pa28]

6. Crass and only funny after logging significant time at a bar with strong drink involved..

I'm not sure why the White House would bother to notice a minor barb like this. If they have anything to fear most at this point it would be "weak President" narrative catching on. Once President Obama has that particular tag affixed to his forehead he might as well forget it because it's the one thing voters will never forgive or forget.

Getting into a cat fight with a strategist like Carville whose shelf life is long expired only opens the door IMO.

[That Guy 888]

7. I remember seeing him on one of Michael Moore's TV shows

as filmed at a Democratic Party meeting saying that we needed to look and sound more like goppers. I haven't considered his opinion on anything worth listening to since.

[alcibiades_mystery]

9. In 50 years, nobody will remember who James Carville was

But everybody will know who Barack Obama was.

He's the guy that whupped James Carville and Mark Penn's ass up and down the street, and gave 'em a boot in the ass for good measure.

Now they think he's weakened, so they prattle and spew like the little whupped doggies they are, with their silly green shoes, and their junior high school nonsense. Two irrelevant losers.

The serious people are trying to build a new world. Carville's pouting in the corner like a child. I'll stick with the grown ups, thanks.

[TwilightGardener]

10. I don't recall any President receiving constant attacks on his manhood

like this FROM HIS OWN SUPPOSED SIDE. WTF is wrong here? I am starting to wonder if this profound lack of respect isn't in some way racial.

[boppers]

12. It's not a coincidence that "boy" was a common racist slur.

As far as Carville, he's performance art, trying to stay relevant by being provocative.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1110/Obama_vs_Carville_redux.html

[Mimosa]

49. Did Carville use the term boy?

I do think Carville's comment about the balls was extremely disrespectful. He does owe an apology. I doubt Hillary appreciates him mouthing off like that.

BTW, Carville isn't a racist. But he is a heavy drinker. I think it clouds his judgment.

[Chulanowa]

16. Starting to wonder?

Despite the shocked gasps of many you'll find here, yeah, racism's a big part of the loathing directed at Obama from both sides. Not all - He's got some problems, sure - but a lot of it, and the reaction to those problems is.

[Tunkamerica]

23. Well, the next black president will have it easier...?

[Jennicut]

31. Wonder? I don't wonder anymore.

[FrenchieCat]

79. I wish Carville could stop thinking that his paychecks from CNN

while sleeping with the enemy to spill all of the beans
means he has any balls; cause it don't.

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[Ikonoklast]

43. And some are here. See below.

[Arkana]

13. And you look like Gollum, Mr. Carville. Enough with the attacks

on Obama's manhood. It's juvenile and makes you look like an assclown.

[Chulanowa]

15. Well, I'll give him props for not mushmouthing an apology

Y'know, the whole "I'm sorry if anyone was offended by my words.

'Course, a guy who looks like a testicle himself has no room to talk about other peoples' balls.

[avaistheone1]

17. I think Carville speaks of the open frustration many of us experience with Obama.

I think he is right in what he said. Obama has proven over and over again he is no fighter.

[grumgrum]

20. DING! DING! DING! We have a winner!

[Enthusiast]

26. I agree and I seldom agree with Carville. nt

[CreekDog]

18. I don't care for Carville, but what he said doesn't bother me

there's lots of interesting ways to tell Obama to be a stronger advocate and more effective negotiator on our behalf. there's no way i'd choose the way Carville phrased it.

but at some point, the White House has got to wake up and say, "what the hell, why our all our allies telling us to stand up for them?" and hopefully someone will finally answer, "because we haven't been doing that good a job of doing it."

until then, i'm more concerned with the White House being tough than when someone goes overboard telling them to be tough.

so sue me. :shrug:

[grumgrum]

19. The EXACT same 'joke' was used against Obama during the 2008 Primaries

Not sure why Obama WH is angry now...they should be use to hearing it because Carville had used it more than once in the 2008 primaries.

I don't like Carville because

1) He seems eager to defend the Clintons even though the Clintons are even more Corporate-owned than Obama is (and htat isn't say much about Obama),
and 2) Christian Science...seriously? Christian Science? How embarrassing!

But regardless, Carville's joke does have an element of truth to it. Obama needs to not always be afraid of Republicans. This is why republicans keep dissing him so much and getting away with it.

[grumgrum]

21. Does ANYONE believe the WH whould be "Outraged" if it was from the Right?

They seem to give the Right a pass on pretty much anything so i am actually not surprised they are "outraged" when the Left says something about them.

If this joke had come from the right the WH would have likely accepted the joke and apologized to the Right.

[Lilyeye]

22. Fuck him. I could care less what this PUMA asshole thinks.

Any credibility he did have has been shot since he can't seem to stop trashing the President. I don't believe this is just purely out of frustration of what's been going on. His never really been supportive of the President.

[era veteran]

24. Carville only get his on date night

Mary has all their balls hooked up in a series for max bitch power.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. It's Not Helpful

Physical or moral courage is neither a feminine or masculine trait. It is a trait to all men and women who have it.

[tavalon]

28. Damn straight!

Thank you.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. What's Sad Is Some Folks Are Using The Same Sexist Imagery To Attack The Attacker

~

[Beacool]

47. And some just don't have it...............

:shrug:

[tavalon]

27. Carville really has a jackass way of putting things, doesn't he?

Must be too much sleeping with the enemy.

edited to add: It's really a shame when people resort to such misogyny to express that Obama appears to be a weak politician and Clinton a strong one.

[bigdarryl]

30. Carville needs to be on the OBAMA TEAM in my opinion

because they curtainly don't have anybody over there that's an attack dog to go after these rethugs and I suspect that's the way Obama wants it

[ProSense]

35. Carville needs a boot in his ass. n/t

[IdaBriggs]

32. Wow. Carville provided an example of how we want Obama to behave.

He stood up, said what he thought, and then didn't back down.

Even while thinking Carville is being an ass, I have respect for how he handled the situation.

I support Obama, and love it when he "tells it like it is." Rather than get offended, perhaps he should look at *why* someone of Carville's stature (who he can *HEAR*) is actually saying; its not like the rest of us screaming, "STAND UP FOR US!!!" is getting heard.

Go, Carville - even if it was an asshole comment, it was funny, and expressed *my* frustration with President Obama's "nice guy routine." I don't want a Nice Guy: I want a President who tells it like it is, kicks butt, and takes names (including the folks who couldn't be bothered to attend yesterday's bipartisan meeting). :)

[Bluerthanblue]

36. you can speak for yourself, but Carville represents the EXACT opposite

of what I seek in a President.

Arrogant, self absorbed, rude and appealing to the worst in all of us.

No thanks Idabriggs- I'll take Pres. Obama and his humility, patience, self control over Jas. Carville's assholery any day.

Part of the 'change' that I've looked for in leadership of this society is one that doesn't just shoot arrogant 'one liners' and divisive character assassinations out for the adoring public to feast on. It takes a hell of alot of self control, AND self respect not to resort to childish, snarky, attention grabbing bad mouthing.

I don't respect Mr. Carville, and don't believe HE has or is working to further the causes that I hold dear- he's only interested in the attention his comments bring to James Carville.

I do believe Pres. Obama is committed to working to put the policies and ideals of the Democratic party into place, despite a LOT of opposition, and many obstacles.

:hi:

[Bluenorthwest]

40. When he says his kind of people are 'Sanctified by God' and

mhy kind are not, I do not read that as humility, but as a rather dogmatic sort of prejudice wrapped up in Jesus wrapping to give it more impact. It is a form of mass character assasination. He says we should not have equal rights, because we are not worthy of them according to the creator of the universe, whom he speaks for in all humility. Takes the mantel of the divine, but very humbly.
To me, Obama and Carville are the same sort of crude, atavistic characterizers of others that my Mom and Dad taught me not to be.

[Bluerthanblue]

44. I don't want to de-rail this thread, but

can you point me to the quote you are citing? I have not heard Pres. Obama say that he is in any way "sancitified by God" and that others are lesser than him.
thanks-

[boppers]

73. Allow me to explain the perspective

Obama thinks marriage is "sanctified" between a man and a woman.

http://www.google.com/search?&q=Obama+marriage+sanctified

Therefore, the line of thinking is that straight people who are married are sanctified, but gay people cannot be.

(Note: this isn't my opinion, but I've been down this road before, so I can at least explain the substance of the argument)

[Bluerthanblue]

83. thanks, I'm aware of many of Pres. Obama's

statements concerning 'Gay Marriage'- But I still haven't seen any quote of his saying what Bluenorthwest claims he has said.

In his book "The Audacity of Hope" Pres. O writes:

"For many practicing Christians, the inability to compromise may apply to gay marriage. I find such a position troublesome, particularly in a society in which Christian men and women have been known to engage in adultery or other violations of their faith without civil penalty. I believe that American society can choose to carve out a special place for the union of a man and a woman as the unit of child rearing most common to every culture. I am not willing to have the state deny American citizens a civil union that confers equivalent rights no such basic matters as hospital visitation or health insurance coverage simply because the people they love are of the same sex—nor am I willing to accept a reading of the Bible that considers an obscure line in Romans to be more defining of Christianity than the Sermon on the Mount. …The heightened focus on marriage is a distraction from other, attainable measures to prevent discrimination and gays and lesbians. (pp. 222-3)

Something to think about.

[boppers]

86. Bluenorthwest feels strongly about this.

I was confused about what was being said by him/her before, and asked (as you did).

I'm just trying to make the connections of ideas easier. :)

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

39. Then I would say you're indicative of the entire problem with our nation.

If you want an asshole, go vote for George Bush again. I'm still happy with my vote for Obama.

[Phx_Dem]

45. Wrong. I don't want the president to be classless and insult women.

Make no mistake, this is sextist and insulting to Hillary. She can only be strong if she has testicles, like man. Because women are weak.

And I'm especially glad the President doesn't look like a giant bug.

[ProSense]

34. ""If I offended anybody, I'm not sorry and I don't apologize," Fucking idiot.

James Carville: "Oops. Obama was right. I was wrong. My bad."

James Carville - "Obama played his cards right on BP"

[ellie]

37. Of course he is entitled to his opinion,

but if I were him, I wouldn't talk. He is married to that horrible, horrible shrew who probably removed his balls. He is just jealous.

Carville is such as disappointment. I used to really like him but he is just awful now.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

38. Why is he still called a Democrat again?

Someone remind me, because frankly, he hasn't quacked like a duck in a long time.

[Bluerthanblue]

41. Carville channels Cheney-

not the kind of person that I'd want to copy.


...."Instead of apologizing, Cheney ran off to Fox News soon after to boast about his classlessness, bragging about having "felt better after I had done it."

Yesterday, Cheney appeared on a conservative talk-radio show, and continued to crow about his behavior. When the far-right host gushed about how much he "loved that move," the former V.P. replied:

"You'd be surprised how many people liked that. That's sort of the best thing I ever did.".......
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_04/023473.php

[Pisces]

46. More rude and disrespectful comments to our President. Sick and disgusting.

[backscatter712]

48. Carville speaks to my frustration with the ritual-humiliation game played by the M$M conflictinator.

Yes, his remark was mildly offensive.

Yes, I believe he's doing the tactically correct thing by responding to the outrage over his remark by extending his middle finger.

Carville, more than anyone, knows how the media feeding frenzy works, and knows that if he backpedals and apologizes, the media and the right wing will feast upon his corpse.

So he might as well show that he's got a pair and pick a fight.

[Beacool]

50. Sorry, but I still like Carville.

The remark may have been crude, but it is nothing that hasn't been said in different form recently by several others (most notoriously by Moore). Carville has never had time for B.S., rightly or wrongly, he always says it as he sees it. He summarized Bill's campaign in one sentence in 1992 to great effect: "It's the economy, stupid." Ironically enough, that should have been the Dem's motto in 2010 too.

:shrug:

[Pisces]

51. I'm glad you recognized the need to apologize first.

[Beacool]

55. It's not an apology, but a polite way to disagree with the majority.

;)

[and-justice-for-all]

53. I agree with you...nt

[Beacool]

56. Thanks!!

Now we are in a minority of two.

:D

[TriMera]

78. Make that three. n/t

[Beacool]

84. I guess you're the fourth.

Three is already taken.

:D

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

58. Oh so his sexism is OK. You are truly a paragon of consistency. Full

disclosure - I don't disagree with the idea behind what he said. But I would think DU's own defender of all things female would be outraged.

[Beacool]

63. Saying that someone has "no balls" has become part of the American lexicon.

It has ceased to be gender based.

;-)

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

66. Well that's incredibly convenient. Ain't it. Lots of things have become part

of the lexicon. I'm sure if David Axelrod would have made a similar comment about someone else you'd be totally fine with it. I'm sure you wouldn't get all. x( , :( , and ;(

;) right back at ya.

[boppers]

74. "It has ceased to be gender based."? Well, that's so gay.

"Gay" has ceased to be sexuality based, right?

RIGHT?

:sarcasm:

[Little Star]

62. Make that a minority of three. lol

[Beacool]

64. OK, the more the merrier!!!

:7

[Rosie1223]

52. To say a person requires testicles to be strong is an insult to all women

You offended more than President Obama, James.

[Mimosa]

54. True. It's an idiotic expression.

I've heard women say it, though.

[Top Cat]

75. I agree...

[treestar]

57. Like that idiot is so "courageous"

What a moron. It sure takes lots of courage to sit around and run your mouth.

[Peacetrain]

59. If you had to listen to the ranting of Matlin.. supporter of Cheney.. you would got nutsy fagen too

Poor Baby , I feel sorry for him.. He can't help himself

[Dreamer Tatum]

60. Sorry, sourpusses, but that was funny. nt

[jonnyblitz]

61. ...

:kick:

[impik]

65. More left racism. What's new?

[polichick]

67. There's nothing racist about the comment - over the top as it was. nt

[RetroLounge]

69. More left racism?

:rofl:

RL

[lynne]

80. Testicles are racist?? Who knew???

[firedupdem]

81. ding ding ding....

it's the black tax on full display. We understand exactly what's going on here.

[DFLforever]

71. With Rahm gone. sounds like the WH is staying as far

away as they can from this snake in the grass. And he's not happy about it.

[Phx_Dem]

72. They're not offended, James. They're disgusted that you are so crass,

classless and sexist.

You may need testicles to feel strong and powerful, but women do not. We do just fine without them thankyouvermuch you sexist piece of shit.

[KoKo]

76. I disagree with the "WH OUTRAGED." I think Obama is playing this the "cool way."

I think he's realized he needs "paid" ATTACK DOGS like CARVILLE to support him.

I think this is a good move..a strategic move after this last disastrous election that he needs to "reach out" to the folks who got Clinton Election...and there was NOBODY BETTER than Carville & Begala..to do THAT!

Good on Obama that he's finally WAKING UP!

[SweetieD]

77. another reason I cant stand Carville. You can tell in every interview he's still salty about Clinton

not getting the nom. Get over it!

[lynne]

82. Good for him! If you're going to say something, have the guts to stand up for it -

- even if you get a bunch of heat for it.

[DemocraticPilgrim]

85. Well if he's not sorry he can at least stop calling himself a Democratic strategist jeezus...

This is just petulant baby cr**, he can't be taken serious if he goes on like that.

[LittleBlue]

87. If Obama had this attitude, the Republicans would be all but annihilated

Taking our case to the American people unapologetically, ramming legislation down Wall Street's throat, this would have won us a landslide of populism.


Such a waste.

[craigmatic]

88. It is mild compared to what the repubs say about him. If the White House is mad at this they ought

to be seriously pissed off at the republicans but I bet they're not.