Barack Obama's response to Carville the first time he uttered his moronic remark was classic

[ProSense]

Carville questions Obama's testicular fortitude -- again

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*** UPDATE *** Ben Smith points out that Carville said the same thing during the campaign, which drew this Obama response on Nightline:

"Well, you know, James Carville is well-known for spouting off his mouth without always knowing what he's talking about," Obama said on Nightline. "I intend to stay focused on fighting for the American people because what they don't need is 20 more years of performance art on television. And that's what James Carville and a lot of those folks are expert at ... a lot of talk and not getting things done for the American people."

Upon learning that the WH is outraged by his latest reiteration, Carville responds:

"If I offended anybody, I'm not sorry and I don't apologize," Carville told CNN.

Proving the above assessment accurate, here's Carville toward the end of the BP oil spill media frenzy (these links for context):

James Carville: "Oops. Obama was right. I was wrong. My bad."

James Carville - "Obama played his cards right on BP"

[Bluerthanblue]

1. Pres. Obama's response to Mr.Carville's assholery demonstrates

what I consider to be genuine leadership.

Mr.Carville is similar to Beck or Limbaugh imo. He may be a Democrat, but he's often a very poor representive of what 'we' are.

[Kweli4Real]

16. It's difficult for many ...

after nearly a decade of foolishness, to recognize how ADULTS respond to this BS.

Thank you Mr. President for providing such an example.

[Pirate Smile]

2. Carville's a jackass. Nothing new.

Next Verse, Same as the First.

He's going to do this for the next 6+ years. He already has for 2+ years.

Performance Art is actually a good description of what he does.

[struggle4progress]

22. +

[DrDan]

3. "And that's what James Carville and a lot of those folks are expert at ... a lot of talk "

how ironic

[catgirl]

4. Jealous of Obama Dr. Dan?

He's hardly all talk. But perhaps you are. You diss him at every chance. Your statement is ironic.

[ProSense]

5. The people who want to see the President as weak don't

want to see a statement in which he tastefully smacked the shit out of Carville.

[DrDan]

8. you are sooooo wrong - I want to see a strong President

I want to see Obama as a strong President.

unfortunately . . . . not in the cards.

[ProSense]

11. Obama is a President who gets things done

The people shooting spitballs from the sidelines will never get anything done unless they organize and push for change. This President is getting things done despite the spitballs from those who claim to have all the answers but only shoot spitballs.

[DrDan]

12. as I said . . . I would like nothing more than Obama to surface as a strong President

but, like many others, do not see it happening.

[Fruittree]

25. I think it depends on how you define strong...

If you define it as publicly aggressive and combative - answering every bit of nonsense that's addressed at him, then you're right he isn't strong. If you define it as setting an agenda and not letting yourself get distracted by all the political noise going on around you then he couldn't be stronger.

[ProSense]

26. Exactly. n/t

[LawnLover]

58. I think he's the strongest president we've had in a long, long time

It seems to me that folks like you want some asshole who gets up and says, "I'm gonna kick the crap out of anyone who gets in my way." Bush was a strong president by that definition.

I personally want a president who looks at problems, considers them judiciously, picks the ones he thinks he can best solve and will do the country the most good at that particular moment in time, then does what he needs to do to get it done. Sometimes that means kicking ass, sometimes it means standing back and letting the Republicans hang themselves, sometimes it means working within the confines of the system that's in place to get it done. And by "kicking ass," I don't necessarily mean acting like hard-on, but simply steadily pushing forward despite the criticism and the odds against him.

Obama has been doing that from day one.

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[DrDan]

7. the funny part is - besides talk in support of Obama 2 years ago

I gave my time, energy and money - and we were successful.

So - I feel justified in my criticism - whether you are bothered by it or not.

[catgirl]

9. oh, the 'ole "I gave my time, money..."

so you can diss him endlessly is justified- cough cough. A lot of people gave their time, money and energy and see all he's accomplished,
so keep repeating it and stay in your own all too important "justified" world.

[DrDan]

10. thank you for allowing me to express my views

[Drunken Irishman]

23. Feel justified all you want. Doesn't make you right.

Lots of Republicans feel justified in their belief Obama is moving us closer and closer to Socialism.

No need to accept their pointless and vapid arguments. Similarly, I see no reason to accept yours just because you claim to have given time and energy to electing Pres. Obama.

:D

[DrDan]

24. and?

there is a reason, you know, that the independents jumped ship in the mid-terms.

[boppers]

46. What legislation has Carville signed? What treaties has he worked on?

What has Carville done that *isn't* talk?

You're going to compare a sitting President to a talking head?

Fine, show me how that talking head has done more than the President. Go ahead, enlighten me as to Carville's accomplishments.

[tanyev]

6. You'd think that would be a sensitive topic for someone married to Mary Matalin.

[WI_DEM]

13. Carville sold out to CNN and married a GOP insider and supplied her with crucial info

I have no respect for him.

[Pisces]

15. Carville the original PUMA , can't get over it. Uses every opportunity to jab the

President. He will be licking Obama's shoes Jan. 2013.

[ladjf]

17. Obama said on Nightline. "I intend to stay focused on fighting for the American people..."

Good, if true. nt

[BklnDem75]

18. !!!

[FrenchieCat]

20. Looks like Carville is letting his hair grow!

:rofl:

[DevonRex]

19. Carville is disgusting filth. nt

[ProSense]

21. One of the most ironic things is that

this is coming from someone who spent most of the BP episode arguing in favor of the Republicans' position on drilling.

[political_Dem]

27. Carville's lack of apology to a sitting POTUS (who is Black) is quite telling.

Not one of these so-called pundits wouldn't dare treat a President in this fashion if he were white. If they did, the entire nation would be aghast at such a gesture. Now, it seems like it is a free-for-all in which people compete on the basis of who could give Mr. Obama the worst treatment--especially if not so subtle nods to racism are thrown in.

Carville, like some other folks in this country, feels as if he can say any old nasty thing since Mr. Obama took office. The relevant thing is the fact that Mr. Obama's presidency really is a litmus test for how people treat power and race in this country. Some make it and treat this change in American history with class, open-mindedness and dignity. Others, like Carville, fail and truly transform into the bigoted monsters they always were.

Carville's demeanor and words really show the rotten underbelly of American society to its core. Crudity, hatred, disrespect and anger have become indicative of the times. Because some folks in American society choose to go down Carville's route of utter banality, meanness and rudeness, they contribute to the bigger picture of America's decline.

[Beacool]

28. Excuse me, not to interrupt you,

But did you ever hear what our side called Bush while in office and what the right called the Clintons back in the 90s? Last time I checked, they were both white.

Disrespect for the presidency has more to do with the times than Obama's race. Civil discourse in this country has become coarser and coarser through the years. Also, technology has provided a means for people to utter remarks that they would never say to someone face to face. There's not a blessed thing that people don't say through the anonymity of the internet, tweeter, etc.

Nothing is shocking anymore.

:(

[political_Dem]

29. Well, that is your perspective. Of course, I have mine.

No need for interruption here.

[lumberjack_jeff]

32. He's BLACK?? Holy shit! n/t

[political_Dem]

37. Good observation.

At least you can "see" his color while so many others cannot.

Consider yourself lucky. You won't be using that oft-tired phrase of "not seeing any color" which is the gateway behavior into denying acts of racism and bullying folks for calling out such occurrences.

Yay.

[lumberjack_jeff]

40. With Carville, I think the fact that he's not Hillary is more important. n/t

[political_Dem]

41. I'm sure.

[Milo_Bloom]

35. The race card in this way from someone with a boondocks icon is kinda sad. n/t

[political_Dem]

36. Please. The race card is so 1990's.

There's got to be an up-to-date euphemism for nullifying the experiences of people of color now.

After all, when one tries to trivialize acts of racism, they have to keep up with the times. Aren't the Teabaggers the cool
kids now in trivializing racism?

:eyes:

[Milo_Bloom]

38. It's used when the act of racism is made up.

This charge is completely without merit or evidence, thus, it is the race card.

[political_Dem]

39. The race card is also a clicheed phrase used by people indifferent to acts of racism.

It reflects not only a insensitive manner, but an attitude that lacks empathy. Also, it is the favorite phrase of RW talk show hosts, Republican politicians and beseiged, unrepentant racists. Unfortunately, its a tired phrase that doesn't mean much anymore but ridicule because the user can't handle any issues about race. In fact, when such a phrase like the race card is used, the only thing to do is recognize its utter banality. The euphemism is so passé that it lingers along the lines of camp.

[Milo_Bloom]

42. So says the one who played it.

[political_Dem]

45. No. I was talking about the experience of racism.

When the only response one can give is to call out a banal and trite euphemism, it reveals the truth about one's lack of understanding about another's pain.

The race card sadly is never about those who are willing to bring such acts of racism to light. The trite campiness, banality and ignorance comes from those who bully others who speak out.

[Milo_Bloom]

51. No, were you making things up.

You were trying to attribute common criticism of the president, the types of criticism which has occurred under EVER president to racism. Those who disagree with the President are often rude and disrespectful in their comments. There were far worse things said about bush and even far worse things said about Clinton, who both happened to not be half black.

There is clearly and obviously no racism in this instance and the only reason to bring it up is to try to deflect from the comment and provide a shield based solely on race.

[political_Dem]

52. So you are the only person in the world who can determine what is or isn't racism?

Wow. Stop the presses. No need to bring any test cases to the Supreme Court or the EEOC. Forget the "Brown Eyes, Blue Eyes" study. It is now proclaimed throughout the United States, that you are the judge and jury of determining a racist incident in this country.

What an extroidinairy gift. You should be so proud.

Hey. You shouldn't be silent about this. Maybe you should set up a thread on this board proclaiming your prowess so that others can look to you to decide whether what they experienced was or wasn't discrimination!

But there's one thing: Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Pat Buchanan also have proclaimed in the past to solely have this awesome gift of determining what is or isn't racism as well. You might have to step in line because their list of "perceived judgements" are mighty long and sometimes disconcertingly delusional.

[Milo_Bloom]

53. When the evidence is THIS overwhelming...

... and the claim this far from reality... yes.

[political_Dem]

55. Well then, carry on. Carville should be so proud.

[Milo_Bloom]

56. As I am sure Aaron McGruder would be by the use of his icon

to support the cry of racism when there clearly is none.

[hollowdweller]

30. Howard Dean

Has shown a lot more tact in criticizing the admin despite them pretty much attacking him.

I don't trust Carville anymore since he married the GOP lady.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

31. When I saw Gollum wearing those PUMA shoes after the primaries I was done with him.

He and his ugly hag wingnut wife!

He has the nerve to tell Obama to stand up to Republicans when he married one of the worse ones...who worked for Dick Cheney, for godssakes! A fucking war criminal!!!

No thanks, Carville. Unless you're going to help this president get something done, you need to go back to the rock that you crawled out of!!

[awoke_in_2003]

33. It is too bad the Pres. Obama...

can't say what we are thinking (in regards to Carville)- "Shut your stinking pie hole, Lizard King" (no insults toward lizards intended)

[TobileStack]

34. re: Carville

As much as I despise Carville attitude the last few years, I have to give him credit for one thing: admitting he wasn't sorry and didn't feel like apologizing. I'm tired of insincere apologies.

[Ramulux]

43. Obama is such a fucking trip

The right-wing media is out there saying stuff much worse than this about him on a daily basis yet none of that ever deserves a response. But, Carville makes a bad joke while making a valid point and Obama responds almost instantly. What is it about Obama that makes him so willing to go after the left but completely ignore every single smear coming from the right.

I have an idea, why dont you take Darrel Issa to task for calling you the most corrupt president in our lifetime considering hes actually in a position of power unlike Carville who is completely and totally irrelevant.

[ProSense]

44. The RW is nuts

Maybe Carville shouldn't emulate the nuts.

[jonathan_seer]

47. Carville gets slammed and the Republicans get invited to the WH after 1000s of insults

That's the whole problem in a nutshell.

President Obama only seems to be willing to fight back, when it's a snide comment from a Democrat without any power or position.

Republicans though disrespect him, trash him, insult him and they get an invitation to the WH which they promptly use as another insult when they turn it down.

This is NOT about being loyal, blindly loyal to President Obama.

This is all about how this looks to both sides of the political spectrum, and overwhelmingly it looks like he's wimpy, only willing to go after people on his own team, while simultaneously begging the Republicans to come and visit.

[Inuca]

49. Did he invite right-wing talking heads to the WH?

Because that's the only thing Carville is nowadays (on the left, kinda). Inviting leaders and other members of the opposition party is slightly different, don't you think?

[SemiCharmedQuark]

57. Wow, talk about a reading comprehension fail.

He didn't say it to Issa because this happened in 2008 when James Carville, much like a drunken uncle who keeps repeating offensive crap, said the same lameass joke 2 years ago on the campaign trail.

[LittleBlue]

48. Obama is like The Most Interesting Man in the World from the Dos Equis ads

Except he's The Most Boring Man in the World. Blah blah getting back to work for the American people blah blah. He should have gone for a riskier response or said nothing at all.

This is so at odds with Democratic Nominee Obama, who was occasionally funny and didn't speak like a robot.

Prosense, how is this classic? Generic? Yes. Sterile? Sure. Classic? Nobody will remember it.

[Inuca]

50. The quote from the OP

was from something Obama said during the CAMPAIGN, i.e., when he was the "occasionally funny" candidate Obama.

[ProSense]

54. "Nobody will remember it. "

It was made two years ago, somebody did.

"Except he's The Most Boring Man in the World.Blah blah getting back to work for the American people blah blah. He should have gone for a riskier response or said nothing at all."

With a bunch of people hanging on his every word desperate to find controvery.