whats the worst combo they can throw at us in 2012?

[backwoodsbob]

My guess would be Newt/McDonnel.
Newt can talk a good game.He's an idiot but he comes off as smart and will appeal to the fiscal cons.
McDonnel will cover the fundie vote.

That pair scares me.

[Yupster]

1. Newt's personal life will destroy him

I'm trying to think of who would scare me and so far can't come up with a combo. Still trying though. A good question.

On edit -- how's about

Chris Christie
Susana Martinez

I'm thinking the next election might be a dollars and cents "we can't afford stuff" election, and Obama might have the most trouble with a no nonsense dollars and cents no charm guy like Christie.

I think Jindal might also be a good VP candidate for them. He has bad Obama stories to tell.

[backwoodsbob]

7. Christie never crossed my mind

you could be right

[tabbycat31]

31. PLEASE NO!!!

Most of the people in NJ that I know can't stand the bastard and can't wait for 2013 when Cory Booker will kick his ass at the ballot box.

[karynnj]

52. Cory Booker would be an awesome candidate

It's hard to guess how being up in 2013 will influence whether Christie changes his mind on not running. If Christie opts not to run for President, he very likely will have to face Booker in what really is really a blue state. But, he sounds awfully serious about not running. A VP run as a sitting governor in a state with a strong governor role could be really weird - and he might hurt the Republicans as much as help them in NJ.

In 2004, The main candidates were all known by early 2003 - all of them, except Kerry, who just had surgery but was known to be running, spoke at a DNC winter meeting on February 21, 2003. In 2008, by December 2006, Edwards announced formally that he was running, Clinton and Obama formally announce in January and February 2007 respectively. The Republicans in 2008 were a bit later in announcing formally that they were running, but McCain was in March 2007, Giuliani and Romney was in February 2007, and Huckabee was in January 2007.

This time frame means that the cast of characters is likely to be known in the next 3 or 4 months. NONE of the 2004 candidates were giving denials - much less strong denials (as Christie has) 4 months before announcing they were running.

[golfguru]

62. Then why you say no? You should say HELL YES!

[totodeinhere]

19. No, if he were a Democrat it would destroy him. But Republicans can get away with almost anything.

David Vitter was just easily reelected.

[karynnj]

51. As a New Jerseyan, I think that Christie would not be as scary as many others

He is VERY easy to dislike. He won here because Corzine, who was not popular decided a negative campaign was the thing to do. I have never called as many people who said that though they were life long Democrats, they could not and would not vote period. He was, in my opinion, a worse candidate than Martha Coakley.

Christie has already cost NJ money that was ours for the taking.

Christie has said in no uncertain terms that he will not run in 2012.

[MadMaddie]

54. How popular was Christie's decision to stop the big construction

job?

[karynnj]

59. In my area, which is his home county - not very popular at all

My extremely, insanely Republican local paper had an oddly coherent (for them) op-ed blasting him for stopping it.

How insanely - our town council had 7 seats, all held by Republicans. Four were up this year. One Democrat ran against a slate of 4 Republicans. The paper argued that, in spite of good work the Democrat had done - she should not get a seat because she would not be a "team player" like the 4 Republicans are.

The problem with the decision is that it stopped work in progress - so NJ now has to pay and get NOTHING. In addition, many other approved rail projects depended on that tunnel - so they are likely dead as well. For Republican areas that are on the fringe of commutable to NYC, it will hurt property values. For people working in NYC, it will be easier to commute from Long Island or upstate NY than in NJ.

[MadMaddie]

65. They are always short sighted aren't they? A chance for progress

and they (Republicans) piss it away for partisenship.

[golfguru]

60. Christie/Martinez or Christie/Rubio

are the most dangerous to Obama.

Newt has more baggage than a rich woman just done Christmas shopping and walking to the parking lot.

[DrToast]

2. Huckabee/Rubio.*

*

[mzteris]

27. have you heard that idiotic "Huckabee Report"

More like the "Huckster Report". Paul Harvey freakin' wannabe.

[Ptah]

3. Jon Kyl / Jeb Bush

[backwoodsbob]

4. not sure of that

Kyl I don't think has it and Jeb boy ain't gonna take a second seat.

I could see it the other way around

[Yupster]

5. Yeah -- a little soon for another Bush

is my thinking.

[karynnj]

53. Kyl actually is scary, but I don't see him having the charisma to win the nomination

I have seen him on the Finance committee and if I had to define a Democratic equivalent, it would be Chuck Schumer. He is very intelligent and someone who chose the party leadership path. Both are usually soft spoken and very competent on details.

Why scary? - he sounds rational almost always - and I say this even though I never agree with him. On foreign policy, he has led extreme Republican positions - against the very conservative, but good on foreign policy, Dick Lugar. That and his conservative economic positions would make him conservative enough for the Republicans.

[CitizenLeft]

6. Jeb Bush/Romney

That could be dangerous.

Bloomberg running as Independent is also scary because he would syphon off many Obama moderates and disaffected Republicans who would never vote for Palin or Gingrich or Huckabee if they were the Rep. nom. If that happened with Bush as the Rep. nom., it's a toss-up.

I don't think Bloomberg would run, btw, I'm just saying because his name keeps coming up as a possibility. He's too smart and knows exactly the outcome of that scenario, and I don't believe he wants to see a Republican whackjob in the White House.

[Yupster]

8. I don't think Bloomberg

would get 10 % in any state.

Like you said, he's smart enough to not waste his money.

[Jackpine Radical]

10. 10% would be enough to screw the Dem

if he runs as an indie.

Not saying he would, but

[Ikonoklast]

41. And, he's not a Christian.

If anyone here thinks that a Jewish New Yorker Billionaire stands a ghost of a chance of getting any votes for anything, anywhere, outside of the borough limits, I have a bridge to sell them.

[mzteris]

28. Bush/Palin. omg. n/t

[elleng]

37. Bush/Romney serious problem, imo.

[karynnj]

56. There may be little in a VP run for Romney

He was born in 1947, so in 2020 he would be 73. If the team loses which is likely, he would be 69 in 2016 and having been 2nd in 2008, losing the nomination and getting the VP and losing in 2012, he would be too "old hat" even for the Republicans.

[OHdem10]

9. Unless someone else shows up here are my guesses as

to whom it will be.

Haley Barbour, Miss, McDonnell VA

Mitt Romney, McDonnell

A lot of talk pushing Mitch Daniels, former Budget Director and
present Governor Indiana.

Rubio is their darling, but Republicans are more traditional
and tend to honor the more experienced. He probably is being
groomed for big things down the road.

[backwoodsbob]

18. Barbour/McDonnell

THAT is bad.didn't think of that one either

[Hawkowl]

55. Mitch Daniels/Ron Paul

I think that pair would kick Obama/Biden ass into next week. It would give them Indiana, Ohio, Wisconsin and probably Florida and North Carolina. A decent shot at Pennsylvania. Game over.

[Imajika]

11. Rubio is likely to be the VP selection..

As to the top of the ticket, who knows at this point.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

13. Yeah, a Teabagger will have to at least be the VP selection.

Rubio would bring FL and maybe pull some hispanics.

[Imajika]

16. Yup, that is my guess...

A perfect combination for them.

[totodeinhere]

20. Yup, they will use him to try to get Latino votes. n/t

[MrsCorleone]

71. He will definitely get the Latino vote. nt

[Number_Six]

12. Palin/Morningstar

Okay, I'm being facetious, but what the hell, right? What could be worse? Madame Know-Nothing and The Prince Of Pain?

[cigsandcoffee]

14. Romney/Rubio n/t

[MrsCorleone]

70. I second Romney/Rubio. nt

[jenmito]

15. Thune/Rubio. n/t

[Beaverhausen]

17. I agree about Thune. Not sure if Rubio is ready yet

lets see how he fares in the next few months

[totodeinhere]

21. It won't matter if he is ready or not. Was Palin ready? Yet they picked her. n/t

[Dawson Leery]

22. That's it.

[Arkana]

38. Thune you might be right about, but Rubio will wait.

If he was going to do this he'd have to go straight from the Senate chamber to the campaign trail without even time to put his pencils in a jar.

[jenmito]

45. I REALLY hope you're right, because he'd fit the Repub. bill in a few ways:

1. He's Hispanic
2. He's from FL (a swing state)
3. He's a teabagger who can play slightly moderate

[golfguru]

61. Obama did it, so why not Rubio?

[mikekohr]

23. Quayle/Palin dumb and dumber

[BlueIris]

26. Oh, my God. 'Kay, seriously? Just the other day

I had a horrible nightmare that Dan Quayle had come back into public life for some reason. Oh, no...

[bergie321]

33. Nope

But his son has. And the brilliant people of Arizona just sent him to Congress to "knock the hell out of the place"...

[BlueIris]

35. Okay, so the Quayle/Palin option meant Spawn of Quayle/Palin,

not the resurrection of Dan Quayle 1.0?

[mikekohr]

50. I Meant Mr. PotatoE Head

not that Palin would take second banana to anyone else.

mike kohr
Bureau County Democrats

[BlueIris]

69. The more I think about this, the less I like the possibility. nt

[harun]

24. Jeb/Newt

[BlueIris]

25. One scary possibility is Romney/Bloomberg.

That would give the ticket what it would need the most--an air of respectability. It would also represent the illusion of potential prosperity, and despite Romney's Mormonism, neither candidate really represents anything "controversial" to anyone. Two rich, boring white males, nothing to get anyone too conflicted to pull the lever.

But that's the ticket they'd need to run if their primary objective was winning in order to govern. The neo-con influence will pick the next ticket like it picked the last two and its choice will be Joe Lieberman and Condoleezza Rice. I think it will be spun as some kind of "revenge" run (Lieberman being a former Democrat) with Rice there to represent "ethnic sensitivity." The true objective will be "get Iran" (both Lieberman and Rice, the Dominionist, are united in a desire to publicly invade Iran.)

[Dulcinea]

43. Both of them are the "wrong" religion as far as the fundies are concerned.

Romney is a Mormon & Bloomberg is Jewish. That won't play well in the Deep South.

[BlueIris]

46. I cannot come up with a single Dem ticket combo I think could beat

Romney/Bloomberg. Not one. And I'm an optimist.

But like I wrote in my other post, my prediction is Lieberman/Rice, picked by neo-cons, not mainstream Repubs and not even Tea Baggers.

[XemaSab]

63. Joementum's going to be 70 in 2012.

Even though Obama's getting some snow on the mountain, he's going to look like Michael Phelps next to Lieberman (who looked old and crusty back in 2000 :P ).

[BlueIris]

72. IMO, the objective for Lieberman/Rice isn't to win.

It's to force Democrats into an unavoidable confrontation about whether or not we should invade Iran. To narrow the scope of dialogue as much as possible so that our nominees will be set up in a situation in which war with Iran has been discussed publicly in a national context. Then, in January of 2013, (and possibly before then) an international incident that can be blamed on Iran will occur. No matter which party controls the White House at that time, it's good for the neo-cons who want that war.

Look at the moves Lieberman has been making these last few months. Exactly what he would need to do should he run for president again. Doubt it's going to be for our side.

[sally cat]

29. Worst for us: Romney/anybody. Worst for them: Palin/anybody.

[karynnj]

57. Not if the Seamus the dog story is out there!

[BlueIris]

73. Seamus the dog was desperate and pathetic (even for the propagandists.)

I sincerely doubt those who turned against Romney did it because of an obviously fictitious account.

[AlinPA]

30. Anything with Rubio on it.

[bergie321]

32. Jeb Bush/Anyone

We already know that the corporate powers that control the nation will lie, cheat, steal, and kill to put a Bush in power so we have no chance.

[Balbus]

34. Obama and Biden.

Wait, I read your OP wrong. My bad.

[Arkana]

36. Daniels/McDonnell.

Governor Mitch Daniels of Indiana. In the last Presidential election, 33% of Daniels voters also voted for Obama--it's the reason we took Indiana. He'll be the guy the big money GOP can get behind, and ol' Bob4Jobs there will be enough to bring the fundies into line.

[craigmatic]

39. Rohmney/Pawlenty. 2 blue state repubs would make Obama's math tricky.

[sally cat]

40. Good point.

[ccharles000]

42. I can't see repubs winning Massachusets and Minnisota even with these two.

[craigmatic]

48. Things have been fluid since Obama got in. Who would've thought that the repubs could get a senator

elected in MA or WI before 2009? Stranger things have happened. Obama has been a huge disappointment to alot of people and some might not show up in 2012 like they did in 2008.

[XemaSab]

64. I think Minnesota might be a fight

We've lost the rest of the Midwest. :(

[karynnj]

58. I don't know about MN, but from all accounts, Romney would not have won re-election as Governor

of Massachusetts. No one thought he would put MA in play in 2008.

[Life Long Dem]

44. I don't think anyone wants to run against Obama in 2012.

No one is saying whether or not they will even run. They know the economy is turning, and 2012 might not be the best year for a run given what they will be against. 2016 would be an open field for all parties.

[jmowreader]

47. Mitch Daniels and Bob McDonnell

It won't be Palin + anyone, and it won't be Christie + anyone.

Palin has far too many skeletons in the closet (plus she scares the living shit out of the GOP establishment) and Christie has two HUGE problems: he's Catholic and he's Eric Cartman all grown up--insanely right wing viewpoint and as wide as he is tall.

Nope! Bob McDonnell will bring home the South and Daniels the rest of the country. At least, that's what they think.

[dbt]

49. Huckabee/Palin

The "Christians" will be out in the streets in untold numbers.

:scared:

[impik]

66. Worst combo for DU:

Obama/Biden.

[krabigirl]

67. Paul/Johnson. Attack Obama on the endless wars, etc. Of course, they won't get nominated.

[Exultant Democracy]

68. I have a feeling that what we should really be worried about is a Bloomberg

or other strong independent run. The Republicans are to tea crazy to field a real A team.