Clinton says (again) she's through with politics

[ProSense]

Clinton says (again) she's through with politics

Forget that Barack Obama-Hillary Rodham Clinton re-match -- or that Obama-Clinton ticket for 2012 -- or maybe even that Hillary-for-President revival in 2016.

The secretary of State has again shot down rumors she might resign and challenge Obama in the 2012 Democratic primaries, or -- another rumor -- that she and Vice President Biden might switch jobs ahead of Obama's 2012 re-election bid; she also appeared to rule out another presidential on her own in 2016.

"I am very happy doing what I'm doing, and I am not in any way interested in or pursuing anything in elective office," Clinton said this morning on Fox News Sunday.

Clinton also told Fox host Chris Wallace, "I have said it over and over again, and I'm happy to say it on your show as well. I am committed to doing what I can to advance the security, the interests and the values of the United States of America."

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In other words, no means no.

[Colobo]

1. Obama/Clinton '12 would be awesome.

I love Biden, but I think Hillary deserves an opportunity like that.

[Lindsey]

2. Not happy to hear that. The lady had guts and we need her. n/t

[Ken Burch]

3. It's time to prove that a female president doesn't HAVE to be a rigid militarist

Especially since any future military interventions we're likely to do anywhere will have only right-wing consequences.

And the only possible result of a U.S. strike against Iran would be to guarantee that that country would NEVER have a secular democratic government and that Iranian women would never win equal rights.

[karynnj]

29. Why? Biden does not deserve to be shoved out - and your suggesting it

is at odds with you saying that you "love" Biden. In addition, why is Hillary uniquely deserving of this honor, which would shove him to the curve?

Because she came close to being President? Then why not Al Gore, who actually got the votes to become President or Kerry, who would have gotten the votes had Blackwell suppressed the Democratic vote by putting to few voting machines in Democratic strongholds. Both came far closer to winning than Hillary - and both have done at least as much for the Democratic party and the country as Clinton - and NO - I would not call for Gore or Kerry to be VP (Al Gore was already VP for 8 years - so I doubt he would take it).

As it is, she was the party favorite and the media favorite through mid 2007 - the nomination was hers to lose - an she lost it.

It is not that she wasn't given things - she was the First Lady for 8 years, during which her husband had enormous support from all Democrats. All competition - especially Nita Lowey - stepped aside when she wanted to run for Senate. When she lost the nomination and Obama became President, she was given the top cabinet post that Obama had to give - though she had far less foreign policy experience and less diplomatic experience than any of the other potential picks.

She is not complaining with what she has been given.

[Beacool]

4. Yeah, I saw it.

What the HELL do they expect her to say?????

"Yes, I'll run in 2012 against an incumbent president of my own party while I'm still the SOS."

or

"Yes, I can't wait until 2016 so that I can mount another presidential run."

I can understand the foreign press asking her, but the national press should give it a rest and give her a break. Does anyone really know how they will feel about anything 6 years in advance? Heck, I'm still deciding what to have for dinner tonight.

Gee.......

:crazy:

[jenmito]

6. There'd be nothing wrong with her saying she'd want to run in '16 to continue Obama's policies...

but she obviously DOESN'T WANT TO RUN. Sorry. :shrug:

[Beacool]

8. If she said that she wanted to run for president again it would create a hailstorm.

I think that she's saying what she truly feels right now. Although even if she harbored wishes to run again, no savvy politician who also happens to be the current SOS, would say it at this point in time.

;)

[jenmito]

35. Nothing wrong with keeping hope alive.

;)

[Radical Activist]

5. Interesting that Fox was pushing it this time.

It certainly fits their agenda to promote the idea of an Obama/Hillary rematch. Keep the grudge alive!

[MrsCorleone]

49. Yep, they're showing the love for Hill on RW radio, as well.

Speaks volumes, if you ask me.

[polichick]

7. Time for some new blood in Washington - we've had enough insiders. nt

[Beacool]

9. Insiders?

New blood is what we got right now.

:shrug:

[polichick]

13. He ran as a reformer and then filled the administration with insiders. nt

[Beacool]

16. Well, what can I tell you?

That's what happens when people fall for pretty speeches as opposed to actual accomplishments.

We get the leaders that we deserve...............

:shrug:

[polichick]

18. Well, since Hillary was more of a hawk, I couldn't go for her...

Plus, she's even more of an insider - and DLC to boot. No thanks!

[Beacool]

23. And what, pray tell, would you call what we got right now?

Guantanamo closed? Nope

Banks had record breaking year while millions of people are sliding further into poverty? Yes

Surge in Afghanistan? Yes

Withdrawal date now set for 2014? Yes

Health care bill with no public option? Yes

Etc., etc.

:shrug:

[karynnj]

30. If you wanted real accomplishments - the two 2008 candidates who had the most

were Biden and Dodd. They easily beat Hillary on this measure.

[phleshdef]

52. Thats because managers end up hiring people that actually know the job.

And then those people get labeled as insiders for knowing what the fuck they are talking about.

[polichick]

54. Haahahahaa - who believes that spin anymore?! nt

[phleshdef]

55. Anyone with half an ounce of common sense.

[polichick]

56. If you call thick blinders "common sense." nt

[phleshdef]

57. Anyone who is qualified for a position can and often will be labeled an "insider" by SOMEONE.

As for this President's cabinet and advisors, some are "insiders" and some aren't in that vain at all.

But the whole complaint is fairly shallow nonsense. Take Tim Geithner for example. I can understand if someone disapproves some of his stances. But its rarely his stances that I see people attacking. Instead, they attack him for being a Wallstreeter. There is no way in hell someone would appoint someone to oversee the nations financial issues if that person wasn't well versed on the cornerstones of our financial system, which is built on, whether we like it or not, banks and investment. Whether the goal is to try and better regulate the institutions involved or just oversee their stability, no one is going to get hired to that position without having been a person that actually has real knowledge of whats going on with those sectors. They have to know "the language" of the financial world, they have to know who the key people are in the private sector, they have to know how certain institutions operate from a philosophical standpoint and a whole host of other things that a college kid with a degree in finances will not have.

For positions like that, especially one as stressful as Treasury, I can think of virtually no one that is qualified, willing to take on the job and politically viable that wouldn't also have to deal with accusations of being an insider.

And just to clarify, I'm not a huge Timmy Geithner fan at all, but he is a perfect example of the type of soft bigotry that people use in their arguments to slam the Obama Whitehouse. It rarely ever seems to be about what certain people are actually doing and which positions they tend to support and more about the persona people want to characterize them with.

[Little Star]

15. Seriously, Obama was "new blood".

[polichick]

19. We're talking about Hillary in 2012. nt

[Little Star]

24. My point was that we already tried the new blood schtick.

It failed.

[polichick]

34. He was a U.S. Senator - not exactly new blood. nt

[Little Star]

37. He served only 1/3 of his Senate term. Two years in the senate

is still new blood.

[Phx_Dem]

10. Good. n/t

[jpak]

11. but..but..but Christine O'Donnel saw all those "Hillary ads" and the teevee

:D

[piratebay]

12. In other words, no means no.

Unless it doesn't of course.

Obama for president? That's 'silly'
Landslide winner says he'll be happy to learn the ropes in Senate

November 4, 2004
BY SCOTT FORNEK Staff Reporter
Ridiculing it as "a silly question," Democrat Barack Obama pledged Wednesday he would resist any overtures to run for president or vice president before the end of his six-year term as a U.S. senator.

"I was elected yesterday," Obama said. "I have never set foot in the U.S. Senate. I've never worked in Washington. And the notion that somehow I'm immediately going to start running for higher office just doesn't make sense.
"So look, I can unequivocally say I will not be running for national office in four years, and my entire focus is making sure that I'm the best possible senator on behalf of the people of Illinois."

Was he lying or just being coy?

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1113161,cst-nws-obama110404.article

[FrenchieCat]

14. Perhaps he changed his mind.....

which last I heard was not illegal.

[totodeinhere]

22. And Clinton could also change her mind and run again. n/t

[FrenchieCat]

48. And so she can.

She'd lose....
but she could certainly change her mind.

[totodeinhere]

53. Lose in 2016? That's too far out to make any predictions about yet. n/t

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[Beacool]

59. And why would she lose?

Exit polls in 2008 had her winning by even more votes than Obama because many who voted for McCain would have voted for Hillary if she had been the Democratic nominee.

On the other hand, the way the economy is going, maybe no Democrat will win in 2016......or even 2012.

:shrug:

[ProSense]

17. Interesting question:

"Was he lying or just being coy?"

Which do you think Hillary is doing?

I believe she has no intention of running for anything.

[Beacool]

20. That lasted all of 18 months before he decided to run.

The people of IL are sooooo fortunate, now they ended up with a Repug in that seat.

:7

[ProSense]

25. And that makes you happy? n/t

[joshcryer]

27. No, I think I can speak for Beacool. It's more sobering than anything.

She was one of the first Hillary supporters to back Obama 100% without question.

[ProSense]

31. Well, I was going on the emoticon posted. n/t

[Flying Dream Blues]

32. Good one! nt

[Beacool]

33. No, it doesn't make me happy.

I'm laughing at the people who believe the bull that politicians dish out on a daily basis.

;-)

[Alexander]

39. Bill Clinton also went back on his promise in 1990 not to run for president.

And Arkansas got Huckabible in the end.

Hypocrisy, thy name is Beacool.

[Beacool]

40. Bill Clinton had been governor for 12 years.

At the time he was the senior governor of the country. He had given AR plenty of years of service. What precisely had Obama done, other than managing to win a state senate seat by getting all the other Dems disqualified and running a US Senate race when both Repug candidates withdrew and they had to get someone from out of the state to run against him?

:eyes:

[Alexander]

41. So when Clinton does it, it's okay. When Obama does it, it isn't.

Your worship of all things Clinton knows no bounds.

And of course, your love letters to the Clintons are again thinly disguised attacks on Obama.

"What precisely had Obama done, other than managing to win a state senate seat by getting all the other Dems disqualified"

The other candidates did not have enough signatures required to get on the ballot. Had the candidates acquired enough signatures, they would've stayed on the ballot. Democrats, including many Clinton supporters, frequently do this to Green party candidates all over the country who are trying to get on the ballot via petition.

Oh, and you dismiss Obama's 8 years of actually voting on and sponsoring legislation while in the state Senate, while Hillary was...what? Ducking bullets in Tuzla? :eyes:

"and running a US Senate race when both Repug candidates withdrew and they had to get someone from out of the state to run against him?"

I'm sure you will say this was somehow all Obama's doing, too.

In the US Senate, Obama sponsored 137 bills and co-sponsored 689. Pretty busy for someone who wasn't there too long. Yet, you ignore all that in favor of your worship of the Goddess Of Peace. :eyes:

Obama won. Hillary Clinton lost. He ran a better campaign than she did, and won more delegates and superdelegates than she did. The Democratic Party even finally seated the delegates in Florida and Michigan after both states broke the rules and she still lost.

The Clintons got over it. Why can't you?

[Starbucks Anarchist]

43. +1,000.

I wish certain people would just be upfront about it instead of playing coy.

[Beacool]

44. I don't worship anyone.

The State Senate? Yeah, he was busy alright, kissing up to Emil Jones, Jr. and voting present (more present votes than anyone else in his class). Obama didn't like to make ways, making waves made you enemies and he was intent of climbing the political ladder at lightning speed.

Please, we can go all night back and forth with this. The truth is that we got what we got, but it is still debatable whether he was the better choice.

:shrug:

[Alexander]

47. You fired the first shot. I'm just putting things in perspective.

Obama did the same exact thing that Bill Clinton did and you know it. Yet when Clinton does it you give him a pass, when Obama does it you find an excuse to chastise him for it.

"Yeah, he was busy alright, kissing up to Emil Jones, Jr. and voting present (more present votes than anyone else in his class)."

Obama pushed through campaign finance legislation as well as worker's rights and equal pay laws for women in Illinois. He also pushed through a bill requiring police to videotape interrogations and confessions in death penalty cases.

All this while your Goddess Of Peace was pushing Nita Lowey out of the way to run for the Senate in a state she had no connection to. Meanwhile her husband was doing a fine job of ruining Gore's chances for the White House because he couldn't keep it in his pants.

"Please, we can go all night back and forth with this."

It was a completely unnecessary swipe at Obama for you to say "The people of IL are sooooo fortunate, now they ended up with a Repug in that seat." Besides, the same exact thing happened with Clinton - he broke his promise not to run for president, and Arkansas got stuck with Huckabee, who has already become a serious presidential candidate and may become one yet again.

If you're going to jab at Obama for breaking his word and running for president, you should be doing the same with Bill Clinton. But you won't, because you've never gotten over the primaries and you make all these not-so-subtle attacks on Obama because he dared to run against and defeat Hillary Clinton.

"The truth is that we got what we got, but it is still debatable whether he was the better choice."

Despite Obama's flaws, I don't think a Senator who threatened to "totally obliterate" Iran would have been a better choice.

[bigwillq]

36. Hello.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[DrToast]

21. And I still don't believe her

I think she's running in 2016.

[Mass]

26. I wished they stopped this crap. In 2016, she will be 70. May be it will be time for her to retire.

Though I guess some of her supporters will want her to run until her last breath. I can only admire that much commitment. Hell, I think Kerry would be a great president, but I am pretty sure he does not plan to run, neither does Hillary Clinton. It is time for a new generation to run for president, people who are currently in their 40s and 50s.

[joshcryer]

28. It's unlikely she'll run, but whoever runs as a female in 2016...

...will likely win. 2012 is possible, but I think Obama has 2012.

[AlinPA]

38. Please Democrats, don't help legitimize Fox 'news" by appearing on there. nt

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[Beacool]

45. Hear, hear!!!

Not a popular sentiment around here..........

:D

[ProSense]

46. She will not, and she works for President Obama.

Live with that reality.

[DemocraticPilgrim]

50. She's an intelligent woman, a challenge has never worked 2016 is the most likely time she'd run...

The statistics are with Obama, the future of the whole world depends on if we support him she gets that. When she says through with politic she means anything else would be disastrous. I'm not tryig to put water on embers of her supporters hopes it's just logic and statistics. Anything else will bump us off. She knows where she needs to be right now. Carville is just looking for work trying to restart an engine that won't run, because Hillary has proven to put the country first. To say hillary will run is to say everyone has left Obama they haven't they most likely won't.

[_ed_]

51. Beyond Hillary,

these questions always piss me off. This clown has the Secretary of State on his TV show, and he wastes precious minutes asking and re-asking what she MIGHT do in two or six years. As if there's nothing going on in the world that the Sec State might be able to talk about. TV News is garbage.

[Uzybone]

60. who would blame her at this point

the only reward for trying to do good is ridicule.

[WI_DEM]

61. I wish the media would take her at her word. Also, they needs to get beyond the Obama will be

challenged. He won't be. By this time it was clear in 1978 that Ted Kennedy would challenge Jimmy Carter in 1980, even though he never came right out and said so. Obama is in a better position by far than Carter was in 1978 or even Clinton in 1994 at this point.

[AspenRose]

62. Biden also said in GQ that he and Hillary are not switching places.

And he's running with Obama in 2012.

http://www.gq.com/news-politics/politics/201012/joe-biden-interview-vice-president-obama?currentPage=4

"And you're not gonna switch jobs with Hillary?

Biden: Nooo. The president already asked me whether I'd run with him again, and I said, "Sure, Mr. President, if you want me to run, I'd be delighted to do it again." I believe in this guy. And he knows anything he gives me, I'll do and get done and that I'll have his back.

Now, when something like the Bob Woodward thing gets reported , does Obama call you?

Biden: No, I mean he never… I mean, there isn't any doubt in my mind or his. And look, in a way it's kind of flattering. They're saying, "Well, Joe should be secretary of state." I mean, she's doing a good job as secretary of state. I talk to Hillary. Hillary has actually raised it with me. Hillary and I have breakfast at my home at seven thirty once a week when we're both in town. We've been doing it since the beginning. We're good friends! And you know, I think we're all in the right spot. I think it's a good team."

So people need to give it a rest already.