DLC Is KAPUT???? (Oh, And Harold Ford Is A Douche)

[Beetwasher]

An interesting side note in this Kos story about what a douche Harld Ford is:

--snip--

So what does serial loser Harold have to say in Wall Street's favorite mag (Fortune) after recently making a fool out of himself with an exploratory Senate bid in New York and overseeing the final demise of the DLC? (Seriously, the DLC's website is offline. It looks like they're officially kaput.)

--snip--

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/11/23/922572/-Harold-Ford-helicopters-in-to-give-Obama-advice

[vi5]

1. Probably because their work here is done.

They won. No need to stick around. Might as well ride off into the sunset to enjoy the fruits of their labor.

[Beetwasher]

2. Oh, Yeah, That Must Be It

And Harold Ford is Senator of NY. :eyes:

[vi5]

3. I meant the DLC...

Seems like their corporate interests-first, trickle down, supply side, "who can be stronger on defense/military issues" Republican lite approach to things has won out, even if the numbers don't bear that out. Nothing can get done without going through the conservadems first, so......looks and smells like a victory for them to me.

[Beetwasher]

4. I Know What You Meant And It's Ridiculous, Did You Read The Article?

They're kaput because Ford is an idiot and he was running it into the ground. Did you read the article? He's a moron. They haven't "won" anything.

[vi5]

8. Yes, I read the article....

Obviously sarcasm eludes you. I really don't give a shit what Ford did or did not do, or whether or not they are "kaput" or not. My point is that whether they are active any more is irrelevant because they already did irrevocable damage to the Democratic party that will (if it's possible at all) take a long, long, time to repair.

When even the most "centrist", republican designed, pro-corporate, anti-middle class bills can just barely pass even with a Democratic majority the house and the senate, then as far as I'm concerned their influence has won.

You seem to think it's more of a tragedy that they are done, and that's fine.

[Beetwasher]

12. I Think It's A Tragedy? Pray Tell, What Makes You Think This? Is It Me Calling Their Leader A Douche

That made you think this? Perhaps you need a little tweak in your ability to comprehend things. I don't know if you read the article or not, maybe you did and it's your ability to comprehend that's lacking.

Yes, the DLC was just thrilled with CFPA and Elizabeth Warren. Yeah, they certainly won that battle...:eyes:

[vi5]

13. Whoa....Elizabeth Warren was confirmed by the Senate?!

I didn't know that.



Yeah. Exactly my point. They're just fine and dandy with Warren where she is. We'll see how devastated they are with whichever former Wall Street lackey gets the permanent job.

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[dionysus]

64. don't bother. if you're not sufficiently anti-obama enough, you'll be labeled a DLC toady

no matter what you actually believe ;)

[swilton]

68. Unfortunately, vi5, I agree

Look who's in the WH- perpetual war, Bush & Co. crime syndicate got off, Paulson, Summers, Geitner, Bernake, run the show; there are two parties in name only.

[Nite Owl]

5. The DLC website is up and running

and yes, the DLC has won, they have taken over the party. Obama has already said that he needs to make amends with business and the Chamber of Commerce that ran all those ads, well, he wants a truce with them too. Compromise with the GOP, no problem. etc. ,etc., etc.

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[Nite Owl]

7. Facts are facts. n/t

[Beetwasher]

10. So Go Ahead And Finally Post Some Facts, You Have Yet To Do So

You've posted an obnoxious opinion that is completely devoid of facts.

The fact is, the Corporate sector LOATHES the CFPA and Elizabeth Warren and did everything in their power to derail the legislation and her leadership of it. Dat's the facts Jack.

[Nite Owl]

20. Sorry you are so disturbed

go google the facts yourself, they were right here on DU recently. You aren't worth the time for me to have to prove myself. You are very rude.

[Beetwasher]

21. IOW, You Have No Facts And Just Throw Around Vapid Slurs

Got it! Thanks for playing.

[Nite Owl]

26. Not a game

ignore!

[Beetwasher]

30. LOL! Run away!

:rofl:

[brooklynite]

9. Unrec'd

However you feel about the idea of advocating for more centrist positions in the Democratic Party, at least take a few minutes to check whether a story is true before headlining it:

http://www.dlc.org/ (up and running)

[Beetwasher]

11. Umm, Kos Posted It, I Thought It Was Interesting

Take it up with Markos. When I checked the site it WAS down.

[karynnj]

15. Hurray - can that mean we will stop hearing about it and having people

claim that whomever they dislike is in it - based on a 10 year old list, with people out of office scrubbed out?

But they are still there - and the most recent article was just last week.

[flpoljunkie]

16. The 'Third Way' is apparently the new DLC. Altho the DLC website is not kaput.

http://www.thirdway.org/

The DLC website links to Harold Ford's article in Politico urging compromise and cutting the corporate tax rate in half as well as extending all the Bush tax cuts for two years, keeping 2009 estate tax rate and a six months payroll tax holiday.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1110/45020.html

[Beetwasher]

17. You Mean It's The New Boogey Man?

And default slur to use against DU'ers one disagrees with? Got it, thanks for the heads up.

[Recursion]

22. Don't forget "corporatist"

Which I still can't get anybody to define or show it's a bad thing.

[ieoeja]

23. Corporatism: a government dedicated to protecting the largest employers from their employees and ..

... smaller rivals.

Why is that bad? Example, United States foreign policy in Latin America has always been to protect American business interests in the region. This is done primarily by working against pro-labor laws in the region, such as minimum wage increases. This creates labor competition that hurts American workers. It also gives American businesses that operate globally a distinct advantage over smaller American businesses that mostly operate at home.

This also increases anti-Americanism in Latin America creating a greater risk to our country as a whole.

So our Latin American foreign policy harms 99.44% of Americans. While undermining national security. Hence, it is a "bad thing".

[Dr.Phool]

32. Their leadership just took up temporary residence at the Catfood Commission Hotel and Brothel.

[Joanne98]

18. They're being replaced by "The Third Way" Same agenda.....

[Beetwasher]

19. Thanks For The Heads Up On The New Boogey Man!

Now I know what affiliation I can use to accuse DU'ers with whom I disagree!

[Dr.Phool]

27. You should have gotten your membership card and decoder ring by now.

[Beetwasher]

42. Vapid Dem bashers get cards and rings? Oh I'm so in!

and the work is so easy too!

[StarsInHerHair]

74. I got the ring but all it said was drink your ovaltine

damn!

[donco6]

24. The DLC is superfluous when you have the DNC

Is there a difference anymore?

[Beetwasher]

25. Oh, So Now The DNC Is The Boogey Man Too???

Man, I'm gonna have to start keeping a list handy so I can keep all the boogey men straight.

[donco6]

28. Is there a difference between the two on issues?

Maybe I missed something.

[Beetwasher]

29. Oh I'm Certain You've missed lots of things

since you are claiming they are identical on issues it's up to you to provide that evidence. Evidence being the actual stated positions on issues that you find so abhorrable.

[donco6]

31. I don't have to do any such thing.

I see no difference between the two and have wondered why they both need to exist. Care to debate that?

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[donco6]

34. Not at all.

I humbly invite you to engage in debate.

[Beetwasher]

35. No You Dont

you apparently want to just throw around unsubstantiated nonsense and then refuse to back it up. That's not debate it's regurgitation. You made a claim. I challenge you to back it up. That's debating.

[donco6]

36. Here's the differences I see between the DLC and the DNC:

[Beetwasher]

39. No facts or evidence then? Just yr useless meaningless opinion

got it!

[donco6]

43. Those are the facts.

There is no difference between the DNC and the DLC. So Why have both?

[Beetwasher]

44. Indeed! Yr post of facts is empty! You admit you have none! Now that's progress!

[donco6]

45. Those are the facts.

There is no difference between the DLC and the DNC.

[Beetwasher]

46. Yes We Get It you have no facts that's why you post empty pages to back up yr vapid opinion

and you don't even realize the hilarious irony involved in yr pathetic little stunt and how it backfired on you. :rofl:

but please continue beating yr dead horse. It's friggin hilarious!

[donco6]

48. It's simply a fact.

There is no difference that I can think of. How about you?

[Beetwasher]

49. LOL! I didn't ask for differences did I? Don't change the subject

I asked for evidence of how they arw identical. Position for position. Put up yr evidence. Oh you already did. The post was empty. :rofl:

[donco6]

52. I pointed out the differences I know of, which was no differences.

I'm unclear as to what else you want.

[Beetwasher]

53. provide evidence of how they are identical position by position

should be easy. Do you really think yr pathetic game is fooling anyone?

[donco6]

55. I looked at both their sites and couldn't find any differences to post.

Maybe I missed something?

[Beetwasher]

57. Convince me. 'cuz I Say so!' is not convincing

yr opinion is meaningless. Lets see the identical abhorrent positions.

[donco6]

58. Abhorrent?

Where did I say that?

[Beetwasher]

60. Not Convinced, keep trying. Try some actual facts like identical positions on issues

[donco6]

47. It's an interesting topic.

I'm a little curious whether you think they should both stay active, since their missions align exactly - isn't it a waste of resources to maintain both?

[Beetwasher]

50. don't change the subject. Post yr evidence on how they're identical

or admit it's yr vapid regurgitated opinion.

[donco6]

51. There's no difference in their stands.

Wouldn't it be a lot more efficient to just drop the one and focus on the other?

[Beetwasher]

54. it should be easy for you to post their identical abhorrent positions

you don't do that because you can't and yr pathetic game is fooling no one. But yr insistence in pursuing it sure makes it clear that yr opinion on the matter is worthless.

[donco6]

56. I didn't say anything about abhorrent.

You naughty thing you! I'm just curious why we would want to continue two orgs with the same mission, when we could easily roll the one into the other and be more efficient with donor funds.

[Beetwasher]

59. don't change the subject, convince me of yr claim that they're identical

you made the claim. Lets see yr evidence. Position by position. 'cuz I say so' is not convincing.

[donco6]

61. As soon as you point out my reference to "abhorrent."

[Beetwasher]

62. Aww poor you forced to change the subject cuz you can't back up yr claim

[ElsewheresDaughter]

38. tag teamed eh?.....I concur with you beetwasher

[dionysus]

65. you're not getting it man, all the Dem organizations are secretly repukes in these peoples minds!

[craigmatic]

37. The DLC was founded because they thought liberal dems couldn't get elected but Obama's win

in 2008 proved that we could get elected so the DLC has outlived its usefulness and therefore should disband.

[Dr.Phool]

40. Uh, Obama is a self-proclaimed "New Democrat". Same thing.

Google Obama speech to Hamilton Project. You can read his own words.

[craigmatic]

41. That's not how he campaigned. He acted like the 2nd coming of JFK.

That might be the way he governs but in 2008 he ran as a liberal.

[jenmito]

63. "Obama tells blogger he’s a progressive":

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x490859

[chill_wind]

67. Will Marshall (PNAC signatory) calls himself a "Progessive" too.

See my post below.

[jenmito]

71. Then labels are moot. n/t

[chill_wind]

73. Especially when the ideology doesn't reflect the self-professed labels. n/t

[chill_wind]

66. Will Marshall has built them a new site for their "Think Tank" PPI stuff.

Ford is just the passing figure head. There will be many and they'll endure long after he's gone.

Will Marshall at DLC
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ka.cfm?kaid=125

(he's been salivating at "fixing" Social Security for 10+ years, btw.
You can read all his essays there. His testimony to the cat food commission was posted here on DU.
He's also in favor of extending the Bush Tax cuts for two more years)

Will Marshall at PPI

Been building up updated website from the old PPI site for over year.

http://www.ppionline.org/ppi_ci.cfm?knlgAreaID=87&subsecID=112&contentID=1100

Will Marshall is one of the founders of the New Democrat movement, which aims to steer the US Democratic Party toward a more centrist orientation. Since its founding in 1989, he has been president of the Progressive Policy Institute, a think tank affiliated with the Democratic Leadership Council.

He recently served on the board of the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, an organization chaired by Joe Lieberman and John McCain designed to build bipartisan support for the invasion of Iraq. Marshall also signed, at the outset of the war, a letter issued by the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) expressing support for the invasion. Marshall signed a similar letter sent to President Bush put out by the Social Democrats USA on Feb. 25, 2003, just before the invasion. The SDUSA letter urged Bush to commit to "maintaining substantial U.S. military forces in Iraq for as long as may be required to ensure a stable, representative regime is in place and functioning."

He writes frequently on political and public policy matters, especially the "Politics of Ideas" column in Blueprint, the DLC's magazine. Notably, he is one of the co-authors of Progressive Internationalism: A Democratic National Security Strategy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Marshall

"DLC." "Third Way". "New Democrat". "Progressive"-- he and they can't even decide what they want to call themselves, because it would require something more than a generic logo. And would possibly risk pissing off the ever elusive RW leaning Independent voter bloc they always think is going to give them money and votes in every election -- if they can just remain sufficiently Republican lite. Centrist appeasers always to whom they perceive as the real power in the country - the GOP.

[bvar22]

69. "Satan's greatest triumph...

...was convincing the World he didn't exist."


http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=254886&kaid=86&subid=85


"By their works, you will know them."

[Beetwasher]

70. Now The DLC Is Satan?

Source please.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

72. let's ask joe lieberman

[Beetwasher]

75. As Long As I Don't Personally Have To Do It

His breath smells like shit.

[butterfly77]

76. Kicked&Recommended!

:kick: :kick: :kick: