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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 08:41 AM
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Cornel West on Obama, November 2009
Edited on Fri Nov-26-10 08:42 AM by ProSense
Video: The Precarious Fate of Barack Obama

Transcript:

Cornel West: I think that my dear brother Barack Obama, President Obama, he's a very complicated fellow. He has a sterling democratic rhetoric at his best that reminds you of Saul Alinsky and the others at times. He has a technocratic team when it comes to policy, so there's not just a tension but oftentimes there's contradictions between the two, you see. He comes out of a black tradition that has been explicit about telling the truth about white supremacy, but he himself holds race at arm's length until there's a crisis: Jamal right here, and Skip Gates there, you see. And it's partly because he's such a masterful politician. He's brilliant, he's charismatic, he's a masterful politician. And he's concerned about cutting the deal and winning the election. And I think in the end this is going to be a major challenge for him.

He has to decide whether he wants to be an Abe Lincoln, who began as a mediocre politician -- remember, Abe Lincoln supported the first proposed thirteenth Amendment that set slavery for ever in the U.S. Constitution. Frederick Douglas bought a ticket to go to Haiti; he said, I would never live in a nation that has an unamendable amendment. Lincoln supported that. That was opportunistic at the core; he hated slavery, but he was willing to say keep these people in slavery for ever to preserve the union. You see, that's not the Lincoln that we talk about as great. Lincoln became great because of Harriet Beecher Stowe, Wendell Phillips, Charles Sumner, who was beat up by Preston Brooks from South Carolina, Frederick Douglas, Sojourner Truth, Harriet Tubman. It was the abolitionist movement that helped make Lincoln great. Barack Obama has a choice between the greatness of a Lincoln and the masterful Machiavellian sensibilities of a Bill Clinton, who was brilliant, charismatic, masterful, but tended to be too opportunistic. So far, Barack Obama has leaned more toward the Clinton side than the Lincoln side. That was partly because he doesn't have an abolitionist movement equivalent. He doesn't have a social movement. That's what we need to do: we need to put pressure on him.

Question: What would this effort look like?

Cornel West: Well, it's a very good question. I mean, the kind of thing you're doing here on the Internet is very important, because it won't take the old traditional form of just hitting the streets. Hitting the streets will be one form; it's got to take a whole host of different forms, different voices, different views, different visions put forward, critiques of what's going on behind the scenes to reveal the contradictions of the Obama administration. We need young people who are looking at the world through a very different set of lenses than even myself, because I'm old-school, you know. And no school has the monopoly on truth. Yes, I do still see classes, and I see empires and so forth and so on. But there's also ways of looking at the world through popular culture that young people have that I don't fully understand, so that some of their criticisms would take forms that it will take me time to understand and grasp, you see. But we have to have the courage to not just raise our voices, but connect into organizations so that people can begin to see there are alternatives than the old neoliberalism dressed up in fashionable form, with a democratic rhetoric that hides a concealed technocratic policy. And it could be that, you know, Barack Obama himself, you know, he's waiting to make his turn toward Lincolnesque greatness. He hasn't made it yet, and of course the decision on Afghanistan is going to be very important. It's going to be difficult to have a peace prize and be a war president.

Spot on. Almost two years into this Presidency, where's the movement?



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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 09:09 AM
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1. What spans the gulf between Larry Summers and Saul Alinsky?
Nothing I can name. FDR and others did have social movements to push them, while Obama will feel sustained pressure only from revolving-door fixers and money men. Obstacles are there, put up over decades by well-funded and well-organized interests. What happens then, when the lower classes are too disorganized to push anyone over them? The peasants can be too disenfranchised to write law for Louis, but they are always numerous enough to cut off his head. The sort of rudderless desperation we saw in the midterms could end Obama's presidency if he waits for organized public pressure to take a stand, despite his being as good or better than Clinton all told. People are hurting too deeply for apathy yet have no voice. Clinton only dealt with half of that.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 09:12 AM
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2. Here's the problem
"FDR and others did have social movements to push them, while Obama will feel sustained pressure only from revolving-door fixers and money men. "

A social movement isn't within the administration.

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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 09:29 AM
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4. The greatest orator of our generation is now working 24/7 for the Predator Class
Imagine! A man with the persuasive skills to get a black man elected President, and with an overwhelming majority! Just think of where he could have led us - if he tried. Instead, he hired the DLC lock, stock, and barrel to run our country, appointed a rapacious "Deficit Commission" to pick at the bones of the Middle Class, and lectured "those on the left" a lot.

Shame.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 09:32 AM
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5. Hyperbole. The President
Edited on Fri Nov-26-10 09:33 AM by ProSense
gave us the woman who did this and he listened to her.

Edited: And he did it without the help of those who attacked her as a tool.

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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 09:36 AM
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6. All she did was prevent a new predatory law
Assuming she was even involved.

The fact that simply stopping something awful is considered a huge Democratic win illustrates my point. This President is by-and-large, working to smash working America.

Ring me up when we reinstate Glass Steagall, or return to the old bankruptcy laws.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 09:37 AM
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7. "Ring me up when we reinstate Glass Steagall, or return to the old bankruptcy laws." Ring:
Liberals cheered when Elizabeth Warren was appointed interim director of the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau after a long internal fight. The bureau, which Warren first proposed in 2007, is one of the more expansive innovations of the financial-reform law known as the Dodd-Frank Act.

<...>

The miracle of Dodd-Frank is that it got stronger as it moved through the process. The question now is whether that forward momentum will be reversed. Because the factions in the executive branch mirror those in Congress, it's worth looking back at the legislative story.

<...>

Reformers ultimately prevailed on a few key issues, including tough regulation of financial derivatives, the Volcker Rule, and Warren's consumer protection agency, while the moderates and their Wall Street allies were able to block other proposals outright, such as breaking up the big banks. But time after time, to gain the support of key swing votes, the bill's managers had to punt details to the executive branch

<...>

The premise behind the Volcker Rule, like Glass-Steagall before it, is that there is a fundamental difference between commercial banking and investment banking. Commercial banking requires detailed local knowledge and patience. Nobody gets filthy rich lending to ordinary businesses. Investment banking, by contrast, is a trading culture. You don't need to know much about the underlying business if you have a feel for doing deals and reading market trends and can make a quick fortune. In the old days, investment bankers took these risks with their own money. Since the repeal of Glass-Steagall, giant outfits like Citigroup and Bank of America do both kinds of activity, putting their customers at risk and the taxpayer on the hook.

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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 09:42 AM
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8. The Volcker rule in no way reinstates the same level of protection as did Glass-Steagall
Glass-Steagall was a straightforward 70 or so page regulation that separates commercial banking and investment banking. Obama's bill was a 2,000+ page labyrinth, largely written by lobbyists, which sets up some rules by which the same entities can continue to do commercial banking and investment banking.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 09:44 AM
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9. "the same level "
Irony, it reinstated some level by your own admission. The reality it that it's flaw is a loophole, and it's authors are working to limit it during rulemaking.

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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 09:49 AM
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10. A pea shooter and a howitzer both launch projectile
I suppose that's and admission that they are both the same at some level.

Just what would it take for you to admit that Obama is fully committed to the Predator Class at the expense of working Americans?
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 09:50 AM
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11. I Agree (nt)
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egoclothes Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 12:41 PM
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13. +1
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 01:25 PM
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14. Well, at least you agree
"The greatest orator of our generation..."

Welcome to DU.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 09:24 AM
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 11:44 AM
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12. Well he's right but the modern left has no equivalent to Frederick Douglas. We need a liberal
coalition to coalesce around a central purpose but there is none. It's more like a collection of policies we're against rather than a collection of policies we're for. How about a maximum wage or medicare for all? We had HCR but it's done. We need new ideas.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 06:20 PM
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15. Is West someone we like this week?
I can't keep track anymore.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 07:31 PM
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16. The movement got tired of getting insulted.
And stabbed in the back.

And told that even though their ideas have 77% popularity AND enough votes to pass, they STILL weren't being pursued.


In short, the movement is now waiting for someone who can get the job done.
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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 08:36 PM
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17. Obama told the "professional left", our movement, to go home
The movement was called the "professional left" by the White House and dismissed a Canadian-style healthcare "not reality."

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