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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 07:34 PM
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Lieberman, Nelson: Public-option compromise still not good enough
Two key senators criticized the most recent healthcare compromise Sunday, saying the policies replacing the public option are still unacceptable.

Sens. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) and Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) both said a Medicare "buy-in" option for those aged 55-64 was a deal breaker.

"I'm concerned that it's the forerunner of single payer, the ultimate single-payer plan, maybe even more directly than the public option," Nelson said on CBS's "Face the Nation."

Lieberman said Democrats should stop looking for a public option "compromise" and simply scrap the idea altogether.


http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/71967-lieberman-nelson-public-option-compromise-still-cause-for-concern

Can these two be any bigger assholes? Hell, Nelson negotiated the god damn compromise and now that he see that something for liberals to like he want to blow it up. I can't but help thinking back to this TPM article from a few days ago.

Shh, Anthony Weiner -- The Moderates Might Hear You

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/shh-anthony-weiner----the-moderates-might-hear-you.php#more

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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 07:41 PM
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1. did Joe Lieberman ever support Democratic Party policies?
didn't Gore choose him as running mate? What were his views then? Are we saying that we had a closet RWer as VP running mate to Al Gore?

What was the deal?
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Umbral Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 07:59 PM
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5. Yeah, when the Republicans were in control and they had no chance of passing. nt
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 07:43 PM
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2. This trying to get 60 votes is a game of whack a mole
Someone jumps in, someone jumps out, etc.

It's time to basically pass the House bill through reconciliation and write off these attention seeking divas.
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 07:58 PM
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4. For reconciliation I think it's better to split the bill in two
because first reconciliation isn't permanent that why things like Bush tax cuts expire, secondly the ability to strip non budget related matter of these typ ofe bills. Remove the po from the House bill and pass the mandate and insurance regulations through regular order. Then craft a po to be passed by reconcillation you should be able craft a stronger one since you only need 51 votes.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 09:02 AM
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9. They should use reconciliation.
Then let the Republicans try to take away the strong public option once the people have it.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 09:31 AM
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12. But cant something passed via reconciliation....
.... be more easily undone by the GOP controlled Congress 6 years from now?
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 10:13 AM
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14. I'd like to see them try
, even with a strong majority. The Republicans would take away millions of people's health care? I don't think so. Just as with Medicare and Social Security, they opposed it when it was fist enacted but now they can't get rid of it.
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 07:48 PM
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3. Stupid men The Dens cannot stand them. and the gop will treat
them like crap when they get there.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 08:09 PM
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6. Time to destroy these dirt-bags. You wanna filibuster boys? Bring it on!!
Vote as often and permitted. Add back in everything they don't like and force them to stop healthcare for Americans.

Never give up.

:mad:
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 08:20 PM
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7. I hope I never run into Nelson anywhere...I seriously hate the man..
Edited on Sun Dec-13-09 08:22 PM by firedupdem
however, I'll be emailing him again and calling all day tomorrow! Jeez! these guys are jerks!

AAAAHHHH!! Just as I was typing a commercial came on praising Nelson for voting against his party and with John McCain on his amendment!

:argh:
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 09:49 PM
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8. "Can these two be any bigger assholes?"
No.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 09:03 AM
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10. They could morph into Cheney
or Limbaugh, but still.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 09:09 AM
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11. Great pass WITHOUT public option and WITHOUT medicare buy in then add them in joint committee
...and pass them with 50+1 vote.

Fuck em, where's Harry Reid?!?!?
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Shrek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 10:00 AM
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13. Then they'd just filibuster whatever bill comes out of the joint conference
Reid still needs 60 votes at that point.
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