All the people, who supported Gore-Lieberman should be asking for forgiveness.

[LastNaturalist]

Starting with me. I'm sorry I voted for Gore-Lieberman and did not have the psychic ability to see that Lieberman would be a complete asshole in 8 or 9 years, when in 2000 he was just kind of a dopey, yet affable moderate. Who else?

[Lord Helmet]

1. Allow me to be the first to unrecommend.

[Bolo Boffin]

8. Where's the line? n/t

[LastNaturalist]

2. Come on tough talkers, where are the apologies?

If you voted for Al Gore, you are to blame just as much as everyone else!

[ProSense]

6. Are you suggesting that people don't change for the worse and we should act like Republicans

and not think about what and who we are supporting?

Lieberman is despicable.

[bluestateguy]

3. I won't go that far

But Republicans were half right when they chanted "Sore Loserman" after the election.

Indeed, LIEberman is a sore loser and a sore winner.

[IndianaGreen]

4. Al Gore was okay, and he got to be great over the years. A prophet on the environment!

Joe Lieberman was always a POS.

[LastNaturalist]

7. I just want some consistency.

If Hillary Clinton gets blamed for backing him in 2006, and everyone who didn't support the wonderful Ned Lamont in 2006 is to blame, then aren't we all enablers for supporting the Gore/Lieberman ticket? He was the Veep candidate after all.

[IndianaGreen]

14. Hilalry didn't campaign for Lieberman during the primary, unlike The Great Communicator

[Lord Helmet]

23. horseshit

LINK



-- snip

If all this doesn't convince you that Hillary Clinton is becoming more and more like a right wing Republican with every passing year, consider this: Senator Clinton is now defending Joseph Lieberman. In fact, Hillary Clinton isn't just defending Lieberman, she is helping Lieberman defeat a true progressive Democrat, Ned Lamont.

Ned Lamont is running for United States Senate in the Democratic Primary against Joseph Lieberman because of Lieberman's repeated cooperation with the worst of the Republicans' right wing agenda. While the Republicans have been lying to America, running up record debts, cutting away our civil liberties, and selling out the basic needs of American citizens, Senator Lieberman has been lecturing Democrats that we need to be friendly to Republican ideas, and we should not contradict George W. Bush. Lieberman has actually suggested that criticizing President Bush is unpatriotic. He's said that Americans do not have the right to full religious liberty. He's supported George W. Bush almost every step of the way.

Hillary Clinton ought to be ashamed to be seen in the same company as Joseph Lieberman. But, she isn't. In fact, Senator Clinton has written a letter to the delegates of the Connecticut Democratic Committee, urging them to support Senator Lieberman, and help defeat progressive Ned Lamont.

The letter, which is shown below, contains many false statements. For example, Senator Clinton claims that " Joe Lieberman fought tooth and nail to protect the guarantee of Social Security that this country has honored for seven decades to its senior citizens." The truth is that Senator Lieberman tried to help George W. Bush's attacks on Social Security until they were all but certainly doomed. During the State of the Union Address, when President Bush announced his plan to destroy Social Security as we know it, Joseph Lieberman was one of only two to stand up and applaud. That's right - Senator Lieberman actually applauded the destruction of Social Security.

-- snip

Dear Delegate:

When Bill and I were at Yale Law School, he volunteered to work on the campaign of a young man who was running for State Senate. The candidate's name was Joe Lieberman.

When I started running for the Senate in New York in 1999, many people thought I didn't have a chance. One sitting senator, however, provided me significant help early on in my campaign. That was Senator Joe Lieberman.

In the Senate, I have had the pleasure of getting to know Joe even better. We work together on both the Armed Services and Environment and Public Works Committees and I have seen his leadership first hand. He has repeatedly led the fight against the big oil companies that want to drill in the Arctic, he has championed innovative alternative energy solutions and his bill to combat global warming is the most thoughtful and comprehensive that's been proposed.

As Senators from neighboring states, Joe and I have worked on many issues together: strengthening support for first responders, improving children's health care, and cleaning up Long Island Sound so that families in New York and Connecticut can enjoy it for generations to come.

Last year, right after the 2004 election, President Bush announced that privatizing Social Security was his highest priority. Joe Lieberman fought tooth and nail to protect the guarantee of Social Security that this country has honored for seven decades to its senior citizens.

And Joe has also fought the Administration's outrageous attempts to gut Medicare and Medicaid and he has been a consistent critic of their ill conceived prescription drug plan. Now Joe is working hard to see if he can help improve that plan.

I believe that the 2006 election is a particularly important one for our country. We have the chance to put Democrats in control of the Senate and the House, to curb the excesses of one party Republican rule and hold Republicans accountable for their actions. Keeping Joe Lieberman in the Senate is an important part of that victory plan.

I know that you may not agree with Joe on all the issues. I don't either. But I know that he is a man of integrity and of devotion to the people of his state and the future of his country.

I hope when you cast your vote on May 20th and then again on August 8th that you will vote to send my friend Joe Lieberman back to the Senate.

Many thanks,
Senator Hillary Clinton

[Starbucks Anarchist]

5. Yeah, having Bush in office was way better than having Lieberman around.

:eyes:

[DesertFlower]

9. i always felt that having lieberman

on the ticket was the reason we lost.

[marybourg]

18. I agree. I refused to vote for Gore because of his choice of Lieberman.

It was like McC with his choice of Palin. It shows something smells about the candidate who would make such a choice. Of course I didn't vote for Bush either.

[Arkana]

10. I supported them and I don't owe anyone any apologies.

Who do you think you are?

[LastNaturalist]

13. Irony is lost on many of you.

There is a thread exactly like this one, blaming Hillary Clinton and non-Lamont fans for their actions in 2006, like they could see Lieberman would be this bad. I'm just saying, let's be consistent. If you voted for Gore, aren't you a Lieberman-enabler as well?

[Arkana]

15. Lieberman in 2000 != Lieberman in 2009.

There was no 9/11, no Iraq or Afghanistan, and no health care bill.

[Kokonoe]

11. The Lord Works In Mysterious Ways

EDIT TO ADD

Fuck You Joe Lieberman

[Raine]

12. No .... I voted for Gore

and I don't regret it.

edit: typo

[Hippo_Tron]

16. Umm the alternative was a George W Bush as President

So not I don't regret one bit supporting Lieberman for a job whose only constitutional responsibility is to break ties in the Senate over supporting George W Bush for President.

[PopSixSquish]

21. What You Said!

I would sure as hell rather have him be the one writing a book right now rather than Darth Cheney...

[thatsrightimirish]

17. ?

If lieberman were VP he wouldn't be in the senate today

[mkultra]

19. please forgive me LastNaturalist

please bring down your natural blessings and wash away my transgressions like a natural spring of natural water. Your are the magnificent, the all forgiving, the last naturalist. Ramen.

[LastNaturalist]

20. I just want some consistency folks!

If the mirror thread blaming Hillary Clinton and non-Lamont fans in 2006 are to be blamed for the Lieberman of 2009 and must "ask for forgiveness," then shouldn't all of us who supported Al Gore, because after all, we were enabling Joe Lieberman?

And if this concept still somehow confuses you, may I recommend some of you hit the books, starting with Jonathan Swift.

[Hippo_Tron]

25. You're setting up a straw man, which is why nobody is taking you seriously

People knew Lieberman was an asshole in 2000. Maybe not as big of an asshole as now, but he definitely was one back then. Unfortunately when you vote for the top of the ticket you have to vote for the bottom of the ticket. Those who voted for Gore/Lieberman in 2000 were voting for Al Gore to be President over George W Bush. Having an ass like Lieberman being Vice President was an unfortunate consequence but one that would've been well worth it.

In 2006 the choice was between Ned Lamont and Joe Lieberman for Senator. Ned Lamont was better any way you looked at it.

[Undercurrent]

22. Childish

thinking.

[janx]

24. This is a simplistic accusation. If you're gunning for irony, you have

missed the mark. Sorry. :shrug:

[Davis_X_Machina]

26. Lieberman delivered Florida, and kept the election....

...close enough to steal. Absent Lieberman, it's not even close enough to steal -- Bush has a solid but narrow win. Gore won the election in Palm Beach and Broward counties.

Lieberman's pick got Gore the best press of the campaign, too.

[housewolf]

27. Wait a second.... think this through!

If Gore/Lieberman had won in 2000, there wouldn't have been any Lieberman senate race in CT in 2006. Lieberman wouldn't be in the senate NOW causing all the rucus.

Think, you guys... THINK

[bigwillq]

28. I voted for Gore

I had no say about the person Gore picked for VP. Bad choice, looking back, but that wasn't Gore's fault.

[applegrove]

29. Me though I didn't actually vote in the primaries because I am Canadian. But I really liked

Lieberman. He's now a neocon patsy.