Giving Lieberman what he wants moves the ball down the field.

[ncteechur]

Please keep in mind people that passing a Senate bill is only one more third of the process.

There still has to be a conference between House and Senate. The real fireworks haven't been ignited yet. That will be when both chambers have to vote on the conference bill.

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[Clio the Leo]

2. That's the impression I had.....

.... the fact that there would cease to be a United States Congress after this bill was news to me. ;)

[Armstead]

3. At this point, we're running down the field to the wrong goalpost

[tosh]

5. So it seems.

[JVS]

4. Hurrah! Another opportunity to make the bill more "pragmatic" is coming!

[LooseWilly]

7. hip hip hurraaaaayyyy!!

[ncteechur]

6. The problem is that with Joe you don't have 60 votes and without Joe you don't have

60 votes. You don't have 60 votes. You cannot break a filibuster if Joe wants one. He gets to beat his chest and be the big man for a while. (He really is a prick)

You cannot use reconciliation because most of what progressives want are not budgetary and will be stripped out in the process.

[LooseWilly]

9. Could've let Joe and the Republicans stand up there and talk for a few months...

You know, make 'em really filibuster. Show it on C-SPAN. Great theater. The media would love it... it would be fodder for talking points... the Democrats would finally look like they have a spine.

Make 'em filibuster...

Ohh, right... looks like it's too late.

[rucky]

8. I love sports metaphors!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IBkQoXNvbA